Daz Gymnastics - Good or Bad?
Dim Reaper
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Please note that I'm not trying to bash Daz with this thread, more wondering if this is just me or if other feel the same, or have solutions.
There used to be a time when I really enjoyed the Daz sales, particularly if there was a way to stack more than one offer to get a great deal. Lately though, I find myself very reluctant to wade through pages of “select” items included in a sale.
Yesterday, I looked at what was on offer in the 48 hour weekend sale and put four items into my cart – two new items and two older ones for Ultrascenery, which is a very good deal. I left them in the cart overnight and came online today to see the gift card sale. This started me thinking:
If I took advantage of the deal still available on Honni, together with the purple banner, then I could get an even better deal on the items in my cart, and get the $30 store credit tomorrow. Looking again, with the gift card sale today, I could empty my current cart, buy a $100 gift card and effectively get a pro pack for less than $20. Then, I could rebuild my cart as it was originally and use the gift card balance to effectively save 15% again.
I got to the stage of exporting my cart as a CSV file and then stopped because I realised that I didn’t really want to go through all of the virtual gymnastics required to jump through all of the hoops in order to spend more money but get greater savings. To be fair to Daz3D, I know they are a company who need to make sales and profit in order to stay in business, and there are often some very good deals to be had. I just feel like sometimes I would be spending my hobby time searching for savings rather than using the content I already have.
In the end, I’m probably going to just buy the original cart of 4 items because it is still a good deal, but it got me wondering if I’m the only person who is doing this now, or if there is a “stacking fatigue” amongst other buyers. A work colleague of mine told me last year that he switches his gas and electricity supplier every year to get a better deal, and estimates that it saves him around £100 per year. He explained what he does, but in the end I realised that I value my free time more than £100 per year.
The question is – is it just me, or do other people feel the same way? Is there a better way that Daz could do these sales? Do some people enjoy the process of calculating the stacking of different deals? Thoughts anyone?
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I do a little. No, a lot.
I don't have a great deal of money to spend, but if the sale is too complex, too much faff, then I respond by not spending anything. I did get 2 items yesterday, first for a little while. Not particularly because they were on sale, more because it fitted with my available cash and what I currently want to do. I dislike the feeling of being stampeded and tend to react by not buying anything for a while.
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Richard.
Greetings,
I enjoy it, but I also have...internalized it. I can do most of the math in my head pretty quickly, and know that if I'm buying something at 50% off it's generally only if I really want it. 62% off is 'I like it', and 72% to 75% off is 'eh, sure, it seems like something I'd eventually use', over 80% is...'I didn't already have this?'. I _do_ buy things at the raw intro 30% off, when they're things that hit my personal sweet spot. Gazebos, certain outfits, reading nooks, and a few other things are catnip to me.
But I have fun with it, and I definitely optimize. But I also am not in a position to worry, in the short term, about my spending. So it's a game for me, more than a need.
-- Morgan
I only bother with complicated if there is something there I was getting anyway. Even then, I can think - ah well, there's always another sale - and I frequently do.
Take today, seriously tempted by the discount on a $300 plus voucher, but I still have plenty of credit; exchange rate isn't bad atm too.
Rarely look at anything outside of Fastgrab these days, precisely because it's just too much work to do anything else. Oh, and look at the current discounts displayed on things in my wishlist. So, essentially Daz has caused me to stop looking at new stuff almost entirely by using this 'upsell to the power of 12' sales strategy because it is so tedious.
well I am disappointed
I opened this thread expecting some gymnastics
preferably animated with parallel bars, mats and stuffs
Greetings,
@nicstt I have a lot of store credit still also, but remember PA sale and PC+ anniversary sales are coming up. Where maths will be challenged, even more. :-P
-- Morgan
Over 4 months of lockdown I somehow put on 15 pounds, so you definitely don't want to see me attempting gymnastics
Thank you all for the answers - it is reassuring. I felt like laziness was making me miss out a bit, but glad to know I'm not the only one.
Yeah, I've cleared carts a few times recently. But it's more because I realize that I've a lot in my library already, and haven't used a lot of it even once yet. I do mostly contemporary stuff, so recent pirate/sci-fi/steampunk/wild-west bundled stuff has been of little interest to me, anyway.
You make a good point about having a lot of content influencing buying decisions. If I really had to, I could probably create images for a couple of years without buying any new content, even going back to my Poser 5 runtime and updating old content from there if necessary. PerhPs someone new to Daz would be much more tempted by the ‘buy this to get this...’ type sales, as they would still be building up a library.
Yup me too
this is what I ws thinking of when i seen th thread title of Daz Gymnastics
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Like Ivy, I was expecting the topic to involve jumps and flips.
Nice work everybody.
@ Superlativecg: And she even accomplished those moves in high heels
I avoid 'typical sales' doing the math (Why bother if you don't have the money?) unless it includes a dollar amount coupon with no strings attached or a free item with no strings attached. Otherwise I really only buy during the PA, Christmas, and PC+ sales. I used to buy occasionally new Pro Bundles but as I'm much more interested in cartoons I've not bought a pro bundle on release week in a long time. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I never thought I'd even see pro bundles featuring Toon Dwayne 8, Edie 8, Ollie 8, Sakuru 8, and Multiman. I figured it would be The Girl 8 & The Guy 8 again and that would be it, so I'm not complaining at all.
I think it's best to ignore all the sales and just look at the wishlist. If the items on the wishlist are on sale, there's a sale. If they're not on sale, there's no sale. If the items on the wishlist are on sale and still cost too much, you should probably delete them from the wishlist.
Since I'm a Western mood after the Honni release, all the Western stuff on my list is getting a healthy look this weekend.
If I'm in the right mood, then it only matters if there's a sale at all. (It's exceedingly rare that I'm so motivated that I'll buy something without a sale or discount.) I will TRY to get the stacking to work, but sometimes I just can't be bothered.
You definitely are not the only one ... but it will vary greatly per individual depending on a person's goals. Someone who only needs a few specific items for a small project will not want to invest that kind of time (what others have referred to as shopping cart jenga). At the other end of the spectrum are the long term customers who are actually using a wide variety of products on many different projects over time (like myself) and the success of shopping cart jenga makes it worth the time and effort - although it is sometimes tiresome and fatiguing. There have been times I just gave up and accepted a good deal when a great deal might be possible ... but usually I do the work and pursue the deal because long term it has been worth it.
I think it's part of DAZ' business strategy to keep our brains engaged with the store. I feel the more your mind is busy with the store (eg by trying to figure out all those sales) the more likely you are to end up buying something eventually.
I think the right appreach is to just relax about it. Always remember that there's always another sale, and that you (probably) have a large library of items you haven't played with yet.
Every now and then a truly great offer comes along; you know it when you see it, without having to bend your brain into a prezel shape.
Hylas, yep, the frequent price changes and short-term discounting are intended to increase the number of site visits to generate impulse purchases. As a consumer, I'd prefer a more conventional approach to pricing with fewer fluctuations between deep discounts and an inflated base price.
I honestly believe that a behaviour is being reenforced when we all compaire sales, and deals, and stress out and return things over 3 dollars which makes us believe that the value of our product is directly dictated by the savings we got. It's like shopping at Kohls, where everything is always on sale and they always give you free money just for shopping. My wife will buy all this stuff, brag about the amount she saved, but never a word about whether or not she really needed that thing she bought that increased the percentage off (while increasing the bottom line) or whether or not she even likes everything she purchased.
I only use that as a basic metaphor, because we all do it and I have no issue with her shopping habits. If it wasn't a viable strategy then stores wouldn't employ it so often...
I do think that it's easy to fall in the trap where we tend to look less at what you are purchasing with an objective eye and start to focus on percentages (which never tell the whole story).
I'm not saying that it isn't important to be responsible with your money, and I'm not chastising anybody for doing their part to drive down costs and purchase "smartly", but I do think that the way the DAZ store certainly drives that "gotta bundle them all" mentality and that can sometimes be more discouraging than just purchasing something you want for what you deem to be a fair price and simply not over-stressing about the extra 5% you didn't realize you could get by purchasing something you've gotten along without just fine until now.
Only my opinion, though, based on my own evaluation of my own tendancies...
I wait for other people to post about stacking deals. Like not too long ago people were posting, "hey, Pro Bundles for $18!" so I picked up Valentino and Sahira (thanks, people). But I don't hunt that stuff down. I'm probably going to pick up a few things tonight in this 50% off sale. But that and the Ultrascnery add-ons that just came out (which I grabbed immediately) are going to be it for this month.
Greetings,
So...today's a good example. I'm a PC+ member, so DAZ Originals are 30% off. There's a 30% off 'new item discount'. I owned several items in the Tara World bundle, so I got a 40% off discount from the big one (the 'world' bundle), and I'm a very consistent buyer of Pro bundles, so I got an additional 20% off (had to go to my Messages to see it). This meant that the Tara World bundle was 30% off * 30% off * 40% off * 20% off, or 0.7*0.7*0.6*0.8*$249, or about $58. And gets a $50 store credit that will be credited back the next day. So...that's a really obvious buy.
But wait, there's a '80% off 5 items from this list', and '70% off 5 items from this list'. Well, the first one didn't have anything I was specifically interested in, but a few sci fi props for $2 each is really not something I can resist. The second included a bunch of items from my wishlist, so I filled that up with essentially 'Fast Grab' priced items from my wishlist. Throw on the free item, and the really nice PC+ outfit, and I will have *net* spent $80 for $515 (list price) worth of items. Not including the fact that the store credit I bought it with was significantly discounted as well.
The gymnastics are worth it, IMO.
-- Morgan
Laziness saves cash, as long as it extends to lack of interest in clicking 'buy'.
No matter how marketting words it, the only way to save cash is not to damn well spend it.
I‘m in two minds about the way sales are handled at DAZ. In one way, it‘s like a very fun and relaxing hobby for me. I live in Europe so the DAZ browser emails announcing the new promos and such come in at breakfast, and they are already such a fun thing to peruse, right amidst getting started for work. They‘re like a tiny sparkle of another world full of amazing and truly beautiful things. Not to get too romantic about it, but that‘s really what it feels like to me. Same when I get home, do the household chores, feed the animals, feed myself, and then finally, FINALLY have some time to wind down, all for myself. I love to dig into the store sales then, find assets I never knew I needed, blow up the wishlist by ten pages, clean it out again, compare prices and discounts, well, all that ... Because there are all these images created so lovingly by so many creative people, there are all these beautiful ideas floating around, and they light up my job-tired head from inside and make it want to create a little beauty too, if it can... Gosh, I‘m sorry for sort of gushing out like that, must be more tired already than I thought ... It‘s still true though.
On the other hand, I do get very annoyed by the weird and sometimes exhausting math one has to do at times when there are things one reallly needs but is on a very limited bidget. What’s more, I am really critical of some of the tactics apparently employed by the marketing team. People shouldn‘t be pushed so heavily towards impulse buying in my opinion, at least not in times like this, when they might be spending money they really can‘t afford. I know everybody self-responsible and all that, but there is such a thing as ethics, even in business. But just when I get really mad, DAZ does a 180 and hands out some truly generous deals, like giving us the PC coupons three times during the mid-year sale, or giftcards at 40% off, I mean ... you can‘t really become much more generous than that, as a store, I think. And then, the DAZ math becomes so much fun again, and I take screenshots of all my new shiny things with my iPad and take it to bed with me and go to sleep happily imagining all the lovely renders I will create ...
Interesting discussion really. Got me thinking a lot more than I thought I would. Thanks for the impulse!
It really looks like there is always some sort of sale. I usually avoid the complicated sales. Why should I have to work hard to spend my money?! And, oh yeah, my main computer died and I need to buy a new one.
Not just you. I hate the complicated sales, I hate the constant rotation of sales, I hate the constant discussion that inevitably follows because the sales are confusing and people are trying to understand if they are getting the correct price. I hate having to factor in "well, it'll probably be on sale for half off soon, so that's the *real* price". It feels like something that would be unfair to the vendors, but clearly there are enough reasons to still sell through DAZ and they know to account for sale pricing into the costs.
That's not just here though. I don't like stores operating like that. But it also seems like the majority of people do like sales. JC Penny tried a few years ago to do away with sales and coupons and stick with fair, consistent pricing--something that I thought was a good idea--but it didn't work out well for them at all. So I don't expect to see changes to this.
Some of the sales tactics are fun, but when it gets too complicated, I just skip it.
The recent trend of bundling old products with new and providing incentives for those who have some of the products does not appeal to me. I don't want to have to do a bunch of math to determine whether it is worth getting a bundle with things I own, to qualify for the other benefits that are offered. Unless the bundle has something that I absolutely do not want to miss on, I pass on the sale altogehter (although I wishlist the parts of the bundle I may want to get in the future).
especially since I don't own any of those old products because I already didn't want them
LOL!
There are communities dedicated to gaming systems to save or make money. One of the more popular ones I'm familiar with is https://www.reddit.com/r/churning/
Seems like a similar concept.
...very nice.