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I've seen comments of other forums that indicate that when Best Buy has been getting stock of 3090 FE cards from NVidia that the buy option stays up for about 10-15 minutes before they sell out, so it looks like they have put in place measures to slow down or stop the scalper bots. I also saw a suggestion to check the site at midnight EDT each day to see if stock refreshes, but if cards were available at 11:15 am that suggestion is probably faulty.
Unfortunately for me I've just been hit with some expensive medical bills (fortunately not for anything life-threatening) so I will have to put off any hopes of buying a new GPU until next year at the earliest.
Sorry to hear you have those bills, but next year will be better since there'll be more stock. Yeah it was 11:15 am ET on 11/10 they had them in stock. An earlier poster elsewhere said they drop at 2pm CT on Fridays. Tough to say when.
Current rumors are pointing to the next batch of Nvidia cards (including the 'Ti's') launching in January:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-rumored-with-up-to-12gb-memory-to-launch-in-january
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-to-launch-in-january-2021
Looks like Nvidia is going to miss the entire Christmas season. If AMD can supply product over the Holiday shopping season then Nvidia will not have a very good year. Might be a good thing for us though as maybe the next batch of Nvidia cards will not sell out in 3 seconds.
I think AMD will have problems as well with the scalpers with their cards. We'll find out in a few days. AMD processors sold out quickly a week ago and they are still out of stock at Newegg.
There's been a few leaked benchmarks that show the new AMD cards beating the latest Nvidia cards r.e. hash rates. So the miners may be hunting these cards down as well...
January launch sounds good to me. I can get a 3060 12GB by February if the pricing rumours are ballpark true.
More info on that from a Moore's Law is Dead video, and showed that the leaked specs that are "supposed" to come to pass the 3080Ti will come with 20GB Vram and the 3070Ti will have 10GB, and if all is true still not sure why they didn't make it 12 GB for the 3070Ti, a case of who the heck knows..
Yeah so 3080 TI 20GB in January for $999. If this pans out it'll be the sweet spot for us.
Well the 3070TI with 10GB or the 3060TI with 12GB, one or the other, has to be nonsense. I don't see a Big Navi GPU with 16GB at $550 being challenged by a 3070TI with 10GB or even with 12GB really when the already released 3070 has 8GB and costs $500.
Practically speaking, if it wasn't clear already, AMD Big Navi hardware & pricing have nVidia & it's 30X0's in a bind. Only the tensor/AI core, DLSS, and software nVidia is offering or going to be offering with their cards is the only advantage they have now.
https://www.techpowerup.com/274505/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-landing-in-january-at-usd-999 this really would be nice for us, but..... scalpers
Just speculating here, but one way you could justify the 'bigger' card having less memory than the 'smaller' card would be to use lower speed memory on the cheaper card (i.e. non-X vs X). Not sure what the difference in speed between the two types of memory modules are in practical terms (i.e. gaming benchmarks). Looking at this page, there's about a 50% jump in speed (from 100% to 150%) beween non-X and X GDDR6.
https://www.hardwaretimes.com/whats-the-difference-between-ddr4-vs-gddr5-vs-gddr6-vs-gddr6x/
Dunno how much the 'X' memory costs over the non-X, if it's a significant increase (say 50% or more, I have no clue though), that could make it more tempting to put more non-X modules on the 'smaller' GPU's PCB.
BTW, when I say 'larger' or 'smaller' I'm talking in terms of specs, not necessarily die size.
Again, just a thought...
The other thing with that is in this Moore's Law is dead video, mostly he talks about AMD.. But he does mention another video where he says things about nvidia's "supposed" practice of forced scarcity, of the initial launch of the 3000 series cards so as to jack up the price..
Quite an interesting video to say the least..
Well there I think you're right 3070 & above will have GDDR6X while the 3050 & 3060 I think get the much slower & cheaper GDDR6. I don't think that speed difference is enough to justify in the average consumer's mind $600 for say a 3070TI 10GB GDDR6X compared to a $300 3060 12GB GDDR6 (with half as much cudas/tensors/rt it's true but still 4GB is pretty important). Now I could see them both havng 12GB one with GDDR6X & the other GDDR6 but I still think 16GB across all the board on all the Big Navi cards says the 3070s & up definately need more, even the 3050 & 3060 too really given they have 16GB Big Navi entry level cards they call Big Flounders.
The speed difference isn't that high, its more in the 25% range. The price difference is unknown since Micron is the only maker of GDDR6X and they don't sell it to anyone but Nvidia. It is reasonable to assume that no new SKU going forward will have GDDR6X VRAM till Micron gets the kinks worked out. It runs hot, drawing too much power, and that is while clocked below the maximum rated speed of the modules. That is causing issues for the whole card and is part of the 3090's issues of drawing far more power while boosting than Nvidia says it does which is causing minimum specced systems all sorts of issues.
This claim about intentionally restricting supply makes no sense. Nvidia is not scalping their own parts. If they got caught, and they certainly would be, they'd be in big trouble as that violates all sorts of laws in the US, and in the EU I think. That's called bait and switch and is highly illegal. The same is true for the AIB's, one did get caught doing this and gave away every single card they had scalped. So they are losing out on sales by not having product on the shelves not making more money.
Yup that is the thing, as you said nvidia would be in hot water if they pulled stuff like that.. Not sure why he says those things, as really do not know whether any of it is true.. Maybe he could be trying to stir controversy for views.. Eitherway if that is the case then it makes him a not so reliable source of hardware info..
There could be another reason they are restricting supply that could have a completely innocent reason. Yield issues. The yields may be too low to have enough chips at the rated speeds to make enough cards. We already know there are issues with Micron GDDR6X not makeing speed, pulling too much power and running way too hot as you stated.
It really looks like Nvidia jumped the gun and made a mess when the released Ampere on Samsung 8nm. Probably did it to beat AMD to the punch but it appears Nvidia will be gowing down in the second round.
That wouldn't be them restricting supply though. If a chip fails QA then it isn't going to work well enough to be a 3090 or a 3080 or what have you.
That's how things like the 2060 KO come to be. Those were TU104's (545mm^2 dies) that failed QA so badly they could not be made into any of the TU104 SKU's. Apparently Nvidia had enough of them that they fused off some of the components to make them "2060's" and made them available to EVGA.
So right now 3090's and 3080's are both GA102's while the 3070 is the smaller GA104. So if a GA102 fails QA a little it may not become a 3090 but still might be a 3080 but if it fails more it might not be able to become anything at all in the current product stack. Nvidia may hold on to them or recycle them. If they have plans for a lower preformance GA102 chip or simply plan to do another 2060 KO type sale towards the end of Ampere's lifecycle they may keep them on the shelf.
But that wouldn't be them restricting supply. Every silicon company always has QA failures. Actually at these scales I'm very impressed they get as many "flawless" chips as they do. That's why AMD's chiplet strategy with Ryuzen has been getting so much attention. They can make lots and lots of those 8 core Zen chiplets and run them all through QA. Some will fail QA completely and get recycled but that appears to be a very low percentage. The rest seem to be good enough to go into some Ryzen, TR or Epyc product in some combination with other Zen chiplets.
3060 Ti on December 2nd? Maybe...
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-official-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-performance-leaked
Comparable performance to the 2080 Super apparently. Nvidia didn't confirm the specs, but it looks like it's probably 8 GB of VRAM based on the Asus product packaging that is pictured in the article, along with other leaks...
Also, apparently Nvidia has announced 80GB accelerator cards...
https://videocardz.com/press-release/nvidia-announces-a100-80gb-accelerator-and-dgx-station-a100
Oh, so like 8GB like you'd expect from the already released 3070 card, instead of those prior 6GB, 10GB, and 12GB rumours. You got to say this, one of those guessing will be right. On my budget, this is what I'm buying for less than $400.
EKWB went all out with their Ryzen + Radeon water cooled setup for the 5000 series CPUs and 6000 series GPUs...
Skip to about 11:48 to see what I'm referencing here:
Not sure if this is a reviewer only thing or if people will be able to buy the combined components packaged as shown in the video above, but it sure looks purdy...
I doubt they will sell a kit like that. The demand just won't be there and the added cost of the pelican case would be pretty ridiculous. EKWB does sell kits already that includes most of what you need for a basic custom loop, the kits includes the pump, resevoir, radiator, fittings, soft tubing, fans (I think) and CPU block. You can then add a GPU block if you want and more fittings as needed.
Looks like EKWB will offer the entire CPU + GPU water cooling kit as a combined package, as the Quantum Power Kit - AMD Edition. Not sure if that'll include the Pelican case though...
https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop/quantum-vector-amd-radeon-rx-6000-series/
After seeing and reading a lot of the 6800 and 6800XT benchmarks I doubt there will be in reduction in demand for the 3080, or 3070. Big navi beats ampere in straight rasterization but not by a big margin and loses in ray tracing and things like DLSS and other features only Nvidia has or Nvidia has a clear edge in, hardware video encoding, means, I think, that enthusiasts will still lean to Nvidia.
Also while I haven't been hands on with the AMD PCIE resizable BAR implementation yet the benchmarks showed relatively modest performance gains, and effectively none in most productivity benchmarks. Perhaps this will change if games and apps start being coded to take advantage of it but right now it is not a game changer.
Found a Blender BMW benchmark for the 6800 and 6800XT
https://benchmarks.com.br/graficos/v/13523?iframeid=13523
Nvidia is on top, but it's a rather impressive improvement on the AMD side from the previous gen cards, at least on this chart.
Linus took a stab at productivity benchmarks (middle of video)
Looks like we may need some software updates on the productivity front for certain productivity programs, which is not unusual...
As noted, so far the reviews I've seen show AMD at rough parity now vs the Nvidia 3000 series cards, raytracing and DLSS aside. Rough parity is good, as it'll put pressure on Nvidia to compete a bit more on the pricing front. The bigger thing this time around will be which cards will you actually be able to find on the shelves. Launch stock for the 6800 series cards is supposedly a little better than Nvidia was at launch, but demand is high, so good luck finding either brand's latest cards this holiday season. For the latest 'console' games that translate over to PC, AMD is looking pretty good at least, but that's to be expected.
Of course, most of us do Iray here, so AMD availability is of interest if it helps reduce demand for Nvidia cards a bit, and also if it helps the 'Ti' cards get out of the gate sooner, but the AMD cards themselves aren't all that useful to us to begin with.
Just glad to see AMD clawing it's way to parity on the GPU front. More competition good!
I think a big factor is AMD's cards will have 16GB compared to 10GB or 8GB for the competing nVidia cards. When you factor in that the hardware performance other than that for games is pretty equivalent and most folk don't want to upgrade video cards with every new GPU generation a lot more people will opting for AMD. Of course expectations of huge performation gains caused by the AMD's Ryzen CPUs also helps alot.
Thoughts from Byte Size Tech on VRAM at higher resolutions. Just something to make youi go hmm,
Clip is from 4 days after launch of Watch Dogs Legion. Personally doubt that guy had done the testing to back that claim up.
Is he working for NewEgg now? TechDeals, no idea what his name is but that's the guy's channel name, is ,how to put this and keep the mods happy?, (IMO) a pompous (IMO) windbag (IMO) who (IMO) knows (IMO) nothing (IMO) about (IMO) technology.
Now officially released and officially sold out unless you're willing to waste a $1000 for a few weeks of bragging rights, the AMD Radeon RX 6800 costs MSRP $579 and the AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT costs MSRP $649 at the AMD.com website.