Suggestions for a 27 or 32 inch monitor to work with DAZ

outrider42

I'll give you a little bit of general info that often gets overlooked. Gaming monitors are very different beasts from monitors designed specifically for content creation. The reason why is speed.

Gamers want monitors that have low input lag, and can run at high refresh rates. Input lag is the measure of time it takes for you hit a button to perform an action, and the action is shown on screen. High input lag means as a player, you have less time to react to what happens around you, because you are a fraction of a second behind what is actually happening in the game. That means you can die (in the game, people.) Low input lag is one of the prime features of gaming monitors. High refresh rates with support for variable refresh rates is another. For gaming, this is good stuff. But these features conflict with the features that also provide a better picture, or rather to say, a more accurate picture.

When you look at TVs, the TVs that have the best picture achieve their picture quality with post processing before the image hits the screen. The problem is that this creates a massive input lag. This is why you see many TVs that have a specific mode for gaming. Turning on gaming mode turns OFF many of the features. A lot of people do not know all of the features that get turned off. Did you know that local dimming is a post process? So any TV with local dimming, that gets turned off by gaming mode, too.

So the result is that gaming monitors all sacrifice a little bit of picture quality to achieve their speed. You cannot get local dimming in a LED gaming monitor, this means that blacks are going to be just a little less black on a gaming monitor than a good quality TV.

At the price point you are looking at, it will difficult to find a perfect balance between the two. So you need to decide which is more important to you. Do you play video games? Because if you do, a good gaming monitor makes a real difference. If you play online, you WILL be at a disadvantage to many other players if you play on a monitor that doesn't have those gaming features. That doesn't mean you will lose all the time, just that you will be at a disadvantage. But if you don't play many action games and are more serious about your art, then you will want to search specifically for monitors for content creation, which will have more accurate color and black levels.

TomDowd

Ivy said:

well I went and tried to move the Daz Studio tabs  from one monitor to another . I can undock & relocate tabs within studio . but tabs will not move off studio at all just relocate where you want them docked.  . I could not even move them off the studio on the same monitor, let alone move the content tab to another monitor.  so I have no idea how you guys are doing it. All my tabs stay within daz studio . would you please care to share your settings, & what version of daz are you using??

Once you undock the window, grab it by the top of the window, not the tab. If you grab it by the tab, Studio thinks you are trying to reposition the tab, not move the entire window. You will know its working if the window ghosts the moment you start to move it.

Tom

Ivy

TomDowd said:

Ivy said:

well I went and tried to move the Daz Studio tabs  from one monitor to another . I can undock & relocate tabs within studio . but tabs will not move off studio at all just relocate where you want them docked.  . I could not even move them off the studio on the same monitor, let alone move the content tab to another monitor.  so I have no idea how you guys are doing it. All my tabs stay within daz studio . would you please care to share your settings, & what version of daz are you using??

Once you undock the window, grab it by the top of the window, not the tab. If you grab it by the tab, Studio thinks you are trying to reposition the tab, not move the entire window. You will know its working if the window ghosts the moment you start to move it.

Tom

Wow that worked like a charm,  Brilliant!. Thank you Tom you taught me something new I have been trying to move the windows by the tab all this time. and I've been wanting to move that content tab to another monitor for so long. 

marble

Ivy said:

TomDowd said:

Ivy said:

well I went and tried to move the Daz Studio tabs  from one monitor to another . I can undock & relocate tabs within studio . but tabs will not move off studio at all just relocate where you want them docked.  . I could not even move them off the studio on the same monitor, let alone move the content tab to another monitor.  so I have no idea how you guys are doing it. All my tabs stay within daz studio . would you please care to share your settings, & what version of daz are you using??

Once you undock the window, grab it by the top of the window, not the tab. If you grab it by the tab, Studio thinks you are trying to reposition the tab, not move the entire window. You will know its working if the window ghosts the moment you start to move it.

Tom

Wow that worked like a charm,  Brilliant!. Thank you Tom you taught me something new I have been trying to move the windows by the tab all this time. and I've been wanting to move that content tab to another monitor for so long. 

nonesuch00

Cybersox said:

nonesuch00 said:

I find if you want a monitor that's it's best to use dual monitors. One being FHD and the other 4K. For those cheap home office sized desks like you can buy at Office Depot and similar stores the monitor size that works best is 27" to 28". I still use my 14 year old ancient 27" FHD monitor but have looking to buy a 4K at 27" or 28". The 4K is just to run game testing on and to run 4K render windows on. 

In fact if you look at the price of a 4K TV with much computer hardware and software stuffed into them and much larger in size than these 4K monitors it's apparent we are being price gouged with regards to these 4K computer monitors. For that reason I'll buy a 2nd FHD at less than $150 and buy a huge 4K TV to hang on my wall for only about $200 - $250 more than these new 27" - 32" 4K computer monitors. I'll test games on the TV using an Android box. 

But if you still want a cheap 4K computer monitor: this Philips and other Philips 4K monitors have consistently been the cheapest 4K monitors I've seen in the past year but for some reason since this covid-19 the price has went up for new by over $100. The price used to be new $225 - $250. Now you have to buy used or used - refurbished to get close to that price but they are still about $25 - $50 more than they were at $270.

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Good luck

We use a lot of big TVs as monitors in my business, and while these are servicable, there are a lot of differences between a dedicated computer monitor and a TV, with one of the biggest being that TV's are designed to be viewed from a distance and monitors are meant to be viewed from close up.  As a result, computer monitors have to have a much higher pixel density on their screen than a same-sized TV, which is part of what makes them more expensive, and while a same resolution TV may work okay, that's only as long you can get far enough away from it to offset the less dense pixels.  The thing is, not many people have the space in their office to have their monitor at least five to eight feet from their keyboards, and there are a number of other areas in which TVs also come up short to a same-resolution monitor having to do with viewing angle, color accuracy, etc.  If someone made a 4K 32" monitor that would be the closest comparison, but I'm not aware of anyone who makes one of those, and if they do it's probably priced the same as a comparable monitor.   

Thanks.

Sorry, I was actually trying to suggest that video games be tested on the 4K TVs at regular TV viewing distances not actual programming and modeling work be done on the TVs. For that I was suggesting 2 FHD 27" or 28" monitors in order to save at least $200 over the price of the 4K monitors. Also creating slide shows of your 4K artstic renders for 4K TVs at TV viewing distances would be suitable.

The density of 4K at 27" or 32" monitor is often too small for people to read text on UIs or so many people say.

This thread has made up my mind to order this July a 2nd FHD computer monitor instead of a 4K computer monitor for at least $200 with buggy and incomplete UI support.

outrider42

This is just my opinion, but I feel like 1440p is a great compromise between the two. To my eyes, I can see the jump to 1440p quite clearly and instantly over 1080p, so jumping to 1440p is IMO quite worth it. The jump from 1440p is much smaller in scope at this size, and offers diminishing returns. You might be able to see the difference, but it is subtle. Also, running your computer at 4K requires more resources just to do so. I really dig my 1440p monitor. I do play games, so I went all in on the gaming aspect. My monitor runs up to 144 Hz, has just 1ms of input lag, and best of all has Gsync support. Oh man does that make a huge difference. Playing games at 100+ frames per second with Gsync is a truly wonderful thing. No more screen tearing, and the action is smooth as silk.

But that is just me. While this monitor is sweet for games, its black levels are not going to match what a good TV or content focused monitor can do. Still the colors are decent and the black levels are not too soft for me, though I do admit I wish they could be better.

nonesuch00

outrider42 said:

This is just my opinion, but I feel like 1440p is a great compromise between the two. To my eyes, I can see the jump to 1440p quite clearly and instantly over 1080p, so jumping to 1440p is IMO quite worth it. The jump from 1440p is much smaller in scope at this size, and offers diminishing returns. You might be able to see the difference, but it is subtle. Also, running your computer at 4K requires more resources just to do so. I really dig my 1440p monitor. I do play games, so I went all in on the gaming aspect. My monitor runs up to 144 Hz, has just 1ms of input lag, and best of all has Gsync support. Oh man does that make a huge difference. Playing games at 100+ frames per second with Gsync is a truly wonderful thing. No more screen tearing, and the action is smooth as silk.

But that is just me. While this monitor is sweet for games, its black levels are not going to match what a good TV or content focused monitor can do. Still the colors are decent and the black levels are not too soft for me, though I do admit I wish they could be better.

Thanks for the advice. I had a IPS FHD AMD FreeSync already picked out from Philips but I will check out at these 1440P monitors if they aren't substantially more expensive (in which case it'd make sense to just buy a 4K monitor and run the UIs of apps with poorly developed UIs that aren't adjustable on the FHD monitor and not the 4K monitor (eg DAZ Studio).

And the price markup to 1440P is way too much. The Philips IPS FHD with AMD FreeSync is flicker free so that's good enough. I might replace my 14 year old Acer FHD monitor too with another Philips so they'll match. The old Acer definately doesn't have AMD FreeSync or IPS either.

SnowSultan

Outrider, could you tell us what monitor you have? I'm looking at gaming monitors myself and would like to see if it's one of the ones I'm considering.