Daz Studio 5?

wintoonswintoons Posts: 391

Hey guys,

Now that we have version 4.12, is the gang at Daz3D making a version 5? 
I'm just curious

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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,313

    And skip Daz 4.20?  Perish the thought!

  • wintoonswintoons Posts: 391
    Sevrin said:

    And skip Daz 4.20?  Perish the thought!

    4.20?! Really?

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,711

    4.20 is gonna be far out maaaaaaaan

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,313

    What would be the point of incrementing to 5?   Daz has made lots of improvements within 4.x.   Just look at what Blender did going from 2.79 to 2.80.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,181

    I don't know how compiling stuffs works but apparently going to the QT5 framework will break all the plugins so even if DS5 is free you would have to buy all the plugins again

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited May 2020

    I would prefer they fix whats wrong with the most recent versions. Specifically how poorly it handles memory. I'm on 4.11 to stay until stuff changes. The latest builds have really not worked well for me. 

    Post edited by Serene Night on
  • wintoonswintoons Posts: 391

    I don't know how compiling stuffs works but apparently going to the QT5 framework will break all the plugins so even if DS5 is free you would have to buy all the plugins again

    What's QT5?

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,181
    wintoons said:

    I don't know how compiling stuffs works but apparently going to the QT5 framework will break all the plugins so even if DS5 is free you would have to buy all the plugins again

    What's QT5?

    a framework they use to compile programs so they don't need to write all the code from scratch

    DS4 uses QT4, DS3 used QT3 etc

    I don't know any more than that blush

  • wintoonswintoons Posts: 391
    TheKD said:

    4.20 is gonna be far out maaaaaaaan

    So, what is going to be good about 4.20?

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,692
    wintoons said:
    TheKD said:

    4.20 is gonna be far out maaaaaaaan

    So, what is going to be good about 4.20?

    NVIAPWACC

    Naked Vicky in a Pizzeria with a Credit Card.  The future of contact-free delivery.

  • wintoonswintoons Posts: 391
    wintoons said:
    TheKD said:

    4.20 is gonna be far out maaaaaaaan

    So, what is going to be good about 4.20?

    NVIAPWACC

    Naked Vicky in a Pizzeria with a Credit Card.  The future of contact-free delivery.

    ................ok....................

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096
    wintoons said:
    TheKD said:

    4.20 is gonna be far out maaaaaaaan

    So, what is going to be good about 4.20?

    NVIAPWACC

    Naked Vicky in a Pizzeria with a Credit Card.  The future of contact-free delivery.

    As long as she left her sword at the temple before heading out...

  • QuasarQuasar Posts: 681

    Hopefully sharing this as just reference information for wintoons isn't against the TOS. It's not a statement for or against such substances. 4:20

  • wintoonswintoons Posts: 391
    Quasar said:

    Hopefully sharing this as just reference information for wintoons isn't against the TOS. It's not a statement for or against such substances. 4:20

    You guys are weird.........

  • In Windows culture (such as it is), version numbers are completely arbitrary. The version is literally whatever the build captain, or the marketing department, says it is. Daz Studio 5 doesn't imply that they're linking Qt5, and even when they do, end users will probably notice nothing new. The connotation that 5 is somehow better than 4 is the strongest inducement to call it version 5.

    Interestingly (at least to me), in the UNIX world, version numbers have an important meaning that communicates what is compatible with what, and to what degree:

    MAJOR.MINOR.SUBMINOR

    Subminor version changes are bug fixes.

    Minor version changes introduce new functionality, but the executables and libraries are still binary compatible.

    Major version changes are for when one breaks binary compatibility; i.e. libraries and plugins are expected to no longer work.

     

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited May 2020
    wintoons said:
    Quasar said:

    Hopefully sharing this as just reference information for wintoons isn't against the TOS. It's not a statement for or against such substances. 4:20

    You guys are weird.........

    Not about the substanc eone, but, Vicki - it's just some insider joke about Vicki and her sword, and the way this type of content is often used (fantasy or adult). She's usually depicted in a temple, though.

    As for the 5.0 version, as was pointed out, it's just a number, and as long as they are just counting and releasing new versions, that's fine.

    QT5, here's a video that might help explaining some things. It would literally mean that a lot of the plugins wouldn't work any more, and also using your own scripts would be severely hampered (if I understood that video correctly)

    Post edited by BeeMKay on
  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,793

    I don't know how compiling stuffs works but apparently going to the QT5 framework will break all the plugins so even if DS5 is free you would have to buy all the plugins again

    If they switch to QT5 we will indeed need to have a new version of the plugins. That doesn't systematically mean we will need to pay for them again, it will probably depend on the creator and on how complex the migration is.

  • edited May 2020
    Daz 4.20... that'll be free. Would you like a large fries to go with that? I hope this version doesn't crash often. Even if it does, I don't care. Whateva.
    Post edited by Barefoot Upto My Soul on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,307

    In Windows culture (such as it is), version numbers are completely arbitrary. The version is literally whatever the build captain, or the marketing department, says it is. Daz Studio 5 doesn't imply that they're linking Qt5, and even when they do, end users will probably notice nothing new. The connotation that 5 is somehow better than 4 is the strongest inducement to call it version 5.

    Interestingly (at least to me), in the UNIX world, version numbers have an important meaning that communicates what is compatible with what, and to what degree:

    MAJOR.MINOR.SUBMINOR

    Subminor version changes are bug fixes.

    Minor version changes introduce new functionality, but the executables and libraries are still binary compatible.

    Major version changes are for when one breaks binary compatibility; i.e. libraries and plugins are expected to no longer work.

     

    This is the system Daz uses, plus build at the very end. we are currently on 4.12.1.117

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,307

    I would prefer they fix whats wrong with the most recent versions. Specifically how poorly it handles memory. I'm on 4.11 to stay until stuff changes. The latest builds have really not worked well for me. 

    DS or Iray? 4.12.1.117 has a version of Iray that includes a toggle to improve memory use, at the expense of some speed.

  • RedfernRedfern Posts: 1,647

    I've wondered (half jokingly) that the company just wants to avoid using the number 5 given the buggy nature (resulting in bad press) for Poser's fifth edition  Kind of a "bad luck" thing. wink So, they just keep incrementing upon the right side of the decimal to avoid changing that 4 to a 5.

    Sincerely,

    Bill

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 2,318
    Redfern said:

    I've wondered (half jokingly) that the company just wants to avoid using the number 5 given the buggy nature (resulting in bad press) for Poser's fifth edition  Kind of a "bad luck" thing. wink So, they just keep incrementing upon the right side of the decimal to avoid changing that 4 to a 5.

    Sincerely,

    Bill

    Nothing keeps them from calling it "DAZ Studio 2020".  wink

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,337
    Redfern said:

    I've wondered (half jokingly) that the company just wants to avoid using the number 5 given the buggy nature (resulting in bad press) for Poser's fifth edition  Kind of a "bad luck" thing. wink So, they just keep incrementing upon the right side of the decimal to avoid changing that 4 to a 5.

    Sincerely,

    Bill

    Nothing keeps them from calling it "DAZ Studio 2020".  wink

    Ugh! No thank you. I agree with others: Only reason to switch the number to 5 is marketing to indicate watershed changes; and there is Blender. They did the watershed change without changing their numbering system at all.

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,393

    I think they should just change the name and not worry about the number.

    I suggest calling it....  Diomede Pro.

    No reason to have a lesser non-pro version.  

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,269

    I would prefer they fix whats wrong with the most recent versions. Specifically how poorly it handles memory. I'm on 4.11 to stay until stuff changes. The latest builds have really not worked well for me. 

    DS or Iray? 4.12.1.117 has a version of Iray that includes a toggle to improve memory use, at the expense of some speed.

    How do you select that?

  • thd777thd777 Posts: 945
    Taoz said:

    I would prefer they fix whats wrong with the most recent versions. Specifically how poorly it handles memory. I'm on 4.11 to stay until stuff changes. The latest builds have really not worked well for me. 

    DS or Iray? 4.12.1.117 has a version of Iray that includes a toggle to improve memory use, at the expense of some speed.

    How do you select that?

    Render Options -> Optimization -> Ray tracing low memory. The choices are Auto and On.

    Ciao

    TD

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,922
    Sevrin said:

    And skip Daz 4.20?  Perish the thought!

    ...+1

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,922
    Leana said:

    I don't know how compiling stuffs works but apparently going to the QT5 framework will break all the plugins so even if DS5 is free you would have to buy all the plugins again

    If they switch to QT5 we will indeed need to have a new version of the plugins. That doesn't systematically mean we will need to pay for them again, it will probably depend on the creator and on how complex the migration is.

    ...well it would permanently break both GenX and GenX 2 as the creator is no longer with us. That would be a real pity as it is such a useful plugin for custom character development.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,269
    thd777 said:
    Taoz said:

    I would prefer they fix whats wrong with the most recent versions. Specifically how poorly it handles memory. I'm on 4.11 to stay until stuff changes. The latest builds have really not worked well for me. 

    DS or Iray? 4.12.1.117 has a version of Iray that includes a toggle to improve memory use, at the expense of some speed.

    How do you select that?

    Render Options -> Optimization -> Ray tracing low memory. The choices are Auto and On.

    Ciao

    TD

    Thanks!

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,181
    kyoto kid said:
    Leana said:

    I don't know how compiling stuffs works but apparently going to the QT5 framework will break all the plugins so even if DS5 is free you would have to buy all the plugins again

    If they switch to QT5 we will indeed need to have a new version of the plugins. That doesn't systematically mean we will need to pay for them again, it will probably depend on the creator and on how complex the migration is.

    ...well it would permanently break both GenX and GenX 2 as the creator is no longer with us. That would be a real pity as it is such a useful plugin for custom character development.

    his website is already depreciated

    I wanted to grab DSON loader because I moved Poser to my Win10 computer and everything gone crying

    I think I still have the zip somewhere so will need to go through my other drives full of downloads 

     

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