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The Eye of the Wyvern - Bundle Builder

DripDrip Posts: 1,260
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I really like the new Wyvern, and with 4 items in cart, the total discount seems to go up to 51%.
But I suggest to also look into the Featured Artist stores if there are any you're really interested in, especially the DO items within them can get combined discounts as high as 89%.

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  • Calliope23Calliope23 Posts: 546

    What is the difference between a Wyvern and a dragon? I can't remember the distinction.

  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520

    The amount of legs @Calliope23 :) Dragons typically have four whereas Wyvern ("serpent") only have two. Images of the Wyvern usually pre-date those of Dragons in Celtic mythology. 

  • Calliope23Calliope23 Posts: 546
    lana_lass said:

    The amount of legs @Calliope23 :) Dragons typically have four whereas Wyvern ("serpent") only have two. Images of the Wyvern usually pre-date those of Dragons in Celtic mythology. 

    @lana_lass Thank you for the explanation. smiley

  • MisselthwaiteMisselthwaite Posts: 961
    edited April 2020
    Drip said:

    I really like the new Wyvern, and with 4 items in cart, the total discount seems to go up to 51%.
    But I suggest to also look into the Featured Artist stores if there are any you're really interested in, especially the DO items within them can get combined discounts as high as 89%.

    I wasn't going to look seriously at the wyvern (not that I don't love, but I don't pay out-of-the-gate when I have to convert mats throughout), but if it can nail me things off my wishlist, maybe I will have to take a second look...

    Nope, only g8 stuff or minimal discount.  Guess I keep my money another day :-)  Awesome wyvern, though!

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  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,456

    So, a Wyvern is kind of like a bat, walking on it's legs and "hands", but with really bad breath! Is a Wyvern the same as a Wyrm?

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited April 2020
    SlimerJSpud said:

    So, a Wyvern is kind of like a bat, walking on it's legs and "hands", but with really bad breath! Is a Wyvern the same as a Wyrm?

    I think a Wyrm has no legs...just wings. Or wingless.

    Laurie

    Post edited by AllenArt on
  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520
    edited April 2020
    AllenArt said:
    SlimerJSpud said:

    So, a Wyvern is kind of like a bat, walking on it's legs and "hands", but with really bad breath! Is a Wyvern the same as a Wyrm?

    I think a Wyrm has no legs...just wings. Or wingless.

    Laurie

    Perfectly correct :)

     

     

    Calliope23 said:
    lana_lass said:

    The amount of legs @Calliope23 :) Dragons typically have four whereas Wyvern ("serpent") only have two. Images of the Wyvern usually pre-date those of Dragons in Celtic mythology. 

    @lana_lass Thank you for the explanation. smiley

    You're so very welcome! Growing up in Scotland, I got used to seeing Wyvern as they're common on heraldry, etc., and some mid--to-late medieval tapestries. I remember being very confused as a child trying to image how they could charge at you without their long necks swinging all over the place and bumping their heads off the ground... somehow the image of that wild flailing made them both hilarious and extra terrifying haha.

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,100

    It should be noted that the definitions of mythical creature tend to wander and have local variations.

    The Lindworm is another variant that USUALLY is two legs, but the FRONT two legs. Sort of like a winged serpent with front legs. But sometimes the lindworm had four legs. Or lions head or ...

    I'd make a comment about 'well, of course, since it was made up' but then again medieval illustrations of lions and cats... shudder.

     

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,687
    Oso3D said:

    I'd make a comment about 'well, of course, since it was made up' but then again medieval illustrations of lions and cats... shudder.

     

    And then you have something like this “lion”, which is neither medieval nor an illustration:

  • alienareaalienarea Posts: 539

    Just don't eat it until the current pandemic is over.

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,805

    Is that taxidermy? That is pretty bad, but, and while I am no fan of taxidermy or sport hunting, this remains one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

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    500 x 329 - 26K
  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 3,306

    <nerd rant>

    To a D&D player, a legitimate mythology in itself and the reason why 90% of us probably even know what a Wyvern is in the first place, the biggest differences are:

    Wyverns are dumb reptiles, but Dragons a highly intelligent. A wyvern will eat your cattle, but a Dragon will coerce the Drow to overthrow your King in the name of Tiamat, without ever leaving the Astral Plane, and maneuver the blame onto another Dragon.

    Wyverns have a powerful stinger, but each dragon has a fabled Breath Weapon that gets worse and worse as the Dragon gets older. You do NOT want to face a Venerable, Huge, Red Dragon in its lair... it will toast you first on general principle and perhaps, only perhaps, be interested in you enough to ask questions later.

    The metallic and good aligned Dragons, historically have been a rather chill bunch, while the chromatic and evil ones much more active in the Forgotten Realms lore. Everyone knows what Tiamat's resume looks like, but Bahamut seems to exist only to oppose Tiamat, with no agency of his own.

    Basically, Wyverns are menaces; Dragons are existential threats.

    </nerd rant>

  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520

    Dear lord.... although I really hope we all think that's a terrible taxidermy job when in actual fact the taxidermist was extremely talented and that's exactly what the lion looked like haha

  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520
    Oso3D said:

    It should be noted that the definitions of mythical creature tend to wander and have local variations.

    The Lindworm is another variant that USUALLY is two legs, but the FRONT two legs. Sort of like a winged serpent with front legs. But sometimes the lindworm had four legs. Or lions head or ...

    I'd make a comment about 'well, of course, since it was made up' but then again medieval illustrations of lions and cats... shudder.

     

    Also this -- very well said! That's part of what I love about studying ancient mythology (yes, I study ancient mythology because apparently I'm not nerdy enough as it is...) 

  • Herschel HoffmeyerHerschel Hoffmeyer Posts: 694

    While some franchises have their own unique and special definitions, and even give them their own behavorial differences, the mainstream descriptions only describe anatomy differences.

    Dragon = 6 limbs (Wings/Arms, two sets of legs). Very weird design when comparing to real life animals but fits right in with other fantasy creatures such as the griffin or manticore.

    Wyvern = 4 Limbs (Wings/Arms, Legs) Antomically correct when comparing to real life animals.

    Wyrm = 2 or 0 Limbs

    The dragon in Game of Thrones is actually a wyvern but they probably just went ahead and called it a Dragon since that is a main stream term and would be called a dragon anyways by most of its viewrs. The same thing happns quite often in Hollywood, Jurassic Park is another excellent example in incorrectly naming animals based on what the general public would want to call them.

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    You can also see the

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    <nerd rant>

    To a D&D player, a legitimate mythology in itself and the reason why 90% of us probably even know what a Wyvern is in the first place, the biggest differences are:

    Wyverns are dumb reptiles, but Dragons a highly intelligent. A wyvern will eat your cattle, but a Dragon will coerce the Drow to overthrow your King in the name of Tiamat, without ever leaving the Astral Plane, and maneuver the blame onto another Dragon.

    Wyverns have a powerful stinger, but each dragon has a fabled Breath Weapon that gets worse and worse as the Dragon gets older. You do NOT want to face a Venerable, Huge, Red Dragon in its lair... it will toast you first on general principle and perhaps, only perhaps, be interested in you enough to ask questions later.

    The metallic and good aligned Dragons, historically have been a rather chill bunch, while the chromatic and evil ones much more active in the Forgotten Realms lore. Everyone knows what Tiamat's resume looks like, but Bahamut seems to exist only to oppose Tiamat, with no agency of his own.

    Basically, Wyverns are menaces; Dragons are existential threats.

    </nerd rant>

    I just want to say...  this is the best description (of just about anything) that I have read in months.

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    And more on the subject...

    I am mostly buying this on the hope that there will be modifications available to it later. Wings / No Wings. Limb position. Fingers on the end of wings. Wing size. etc.etc.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    Gordig said:
    And then you have something like this “lion”, which is neither medieval nor an illustration:

    Holy Mother of Disney! That actually makes the Victorian-era early reconstructions of dinosaurs look good!  

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    While some franchises have their own unique and special definitions, and even give them their own behavorial differences, the mainstream descriptions only describe anatomy differences.

    Dragon = 6 limbs (Wings/Arms, two sets of legs). Very weird design when comparing to real life animals but fits right in with other fantasy creatures such as the griffin or manticore.

    Wyvern = 4 Limbs (Wings/Arms, Legs) Antomically correct when comparing to real life animals.

    Wyrm = 2 or 0 Limbs

    The dragon in Game of Thrones is actually a wyvern but they probably just went ahead and called it a Dragon since that is a main stream term and would be called a dragon anyways by most of its viewrs. The same thing happns quite often in Hollywood, Jurassic Park is another excellent example in incorrectly naming animals based on what the general public would want to call them.

    I think the dragons in "Reign of Fire" were actually wyverns too. Love that movie ;)

    Laurie

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,100

    Then you have Eastern dragons, four legs and no wings.

  • JVRendererJVRenderer Posts: 664
    Oso3D said:

    Then you have Eastern dragons, four legs and no wings.

    'Long' or 'Lung'

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314
    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    While some franchises have their own unique and special definitions, and even give them their own behavorial differences, the mainstream descriptions only describe anatomy differences.

    Dragon = 6 limbs (Wings/Arms, two sets of legs). Very weird design when comparing to real life animals but fits right in with other fantasy creatures such as the griffin or manticore.

    Wyvern = 4 Limbs (Wings/Arms, Legs) Antomically correct when comparing to real life animals.

    Wyrm = 2 or 0 Limbs

    The dragon in Game of Thrones is actually a wyvern but they probably just went ahead and called it a Dragon since that is a main stream term and would be called a dragon anyways by most of its viewrs. The same thing happns quite often in Hollywood, Jurassic Park is another excellent example in incorrectly naming animals based on what the general public would want to call them.

    Worms also have no limbs, and don't fly.

  • Herschel HoffmeyerHerschel Hoffmeyer Posts: 694
    Oso3D said:

    Then you have Eastern dragons, four legs and no wings.

    I believe these are called Drakes if it is a variation of a dragon or a Lung Dragons (like JVRenderer mentioned) if it is a variation of a Wyrm.

     

    Sevrin said:
    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    While some franchises have their own unique and special definitions, and even give them their own behavorial differences, the mainstream descriptions only describe anatomy differences.

    Dragon = 6 limbs (Wings/Arms, two sets of legs). Very weird design when comparing to real life animals but fits right in with other fantasy creatures such as the griffin or manticore.

    Wyvern = 4 Limbs (Wings/Arms, Legs) Antomically correct when comparing to real life animals.

    Wyrm = 2 or 0 Limbs

    The dragon in Game of Thrones is actually a wyvern but they probably just went ahead and called it a Dragon since that is a main stream term and would be called a dragon anyways by most of its viewrs. The same thing happns quite often in Hollywood, Jurassic Park is another excellent example in incorrectly naming animals based on what the general public would want to call them.

    Worms also have no limbs, and don't fly.

    Lindwyrms have arms and a Wyrm with wings I belive is referred to as a Amphiptere.

  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520
    Sevrin said:
    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    While some franchises have their own unique and special definitions, and even give them their own behavorial differences, the mainstream descriptions only describe anatomy differences.

    Dragon = 6 limbs (Wings/Arms, two sets of legs). Very weird design when comparing to real life animals but fits right in with other fantasy creatures such as the griffin or manticore.

    Wyvern = 4 Limbs (Wings/Arms, Legs) Antomically correct when comparing to real life animals.

    Wyrm = 2 or 0 Limbs

    The dragon in Game of Thrones is actually a wyvern but they probably just went ahead and called it a Dragon since that is a main stream term and would be called a dragon anyways by most of its viewrs. The same thing happns quite often in Hollywood, Jurassic Park is another excellent example in incorrectly naming animals based on what the general public would want to call them.

    Worms also have no limbs, and don't fly.

    Unless you throw one at your sister 

  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026

    I found this image on the Internet some time ago, giving a good comparison between the various types of dragons and their relatives:

     

  • magog_a4eb71abmagog_a4eb71ab Posts: 769
    Gordig said:
    Oso3D said:

    I'd make a comment about 'well, of course, since it was made up' but then again medieval illustrations of lions and cats... shudder.

     

    And then you have something like this “lion”, which is neither medieval nor an illustration:

    This was no mistake or poor taxonomy. It is what happens when a lion's head is stomped on by a flustered elephant. Take note of the greatly reduced or almost nonexistant curvature between the top of the head & nose, the wider & thinner muzzle, fettuccine(flat)-like teeth, and the bloody cooked steak for a tongue. Needless to say, Leo died with a happy grin on his face.

  • Herschel HoffmeyerHerschel Hoffmeyer Posts: 694

    Just a heads up, E-Arkham's wyvern environment set was suppose to be released today with all the Wyvern product's and just got a late release here. It will also be displayed in tomorrow's new releases showcase.

  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,456
    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    While some franchises have their own unique and special definitions, and even give them their own behavorial differences, the mainstream descriptions only describe anatomy differences.

    Dragon = 6 limbs (Wings/Arms, two sets of legs). Very weird design when comparing to real life animals but fits right in with other fantasy creatures such as the griffin or manticore.

    Wyvern = 4 Limbs (Wings/Arms, Legs) Antomically correct when comparing to real life animals.

    Wyrm = 2 or 0 Limbs

    The dragon in Game of Thrones is actually a wyvern but they probably just went ahead and called it a Dragon since that is a main stream term and would be called a dragon anyways by most of its viewrs. The same thing happns quite often in Hollywood, Jurassic Park is another excellent example in incorrectly naming animals based on what the general public would want to call them.

    Well, Deinonychus isn't exactly a catchy name, unlike Velociraptor. The actual Velociraptor was about the size of a wild turkey, not the "clever girl" of the movie! It was pointed out when the movie was new that a Deinonychus (terrible claw) is what they were actually depicting.

    The Eastern Dragon still manages to fly, even without wings. It's considered a heavenly figure.

  • SlimerJSpudSlimerJSpud Posts: 1,456
    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    Just a heads up, E-Arkham's wyvern environment set was suppose to be released today with all the Wyvern product's and just got a late release here. It will also be displayed in tomorrow's new releases showcase.

    Can we get some discarded, broken pieces of knight's armor with those bone piles? LoL!

  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,893
    SlimerJSpud said:
    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    While some franchises have their own unique and special definitions, and even give them their own behavorial differences, the mainstream descriptions only describe anatomy differences.

    Dragon = 6 limbs (Wings/Arms, two sets of legs). Very weird design when comparing to real life animals but fits right in with other fantasy creatures such as the griffin or manticore.

    Wyvern = 4 Limbs (Wings/Arms, Legs) Antomically correct when comparing to real life animals.

    Wyrm = 2 or 0 Limbs

    The dragon in Game of Thrones is actually a wyvern but they probably just went ahead and called it a Dragon since that is a main stream term and would be called a dragon anyways by most of its viewrs. The same thing happns quite often in Hollywood, Jurassic Park is another excellent example in incorrectly naming animals based on what the general public would want to call them.

    Well, Deinonychus isn't exactly a catchy name, unlike Velociraptor. The actual Velociraptor was about the size of a wild turkey, not the "clever girl" of the movie! It was pointed out when the movie was new that a Deinonychus (terrible claw) is what they were actually depicting.

    The Eastern Dragon still manages to fly, even without wings. It's considered a heavenly figure.

    it could also have been a Utahraptor in the movie.

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