Hardware Questions
InquisitorOnyx
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Hello! So, I'm working on building a new rig, mostly for rendering still images at 1080p or maybe 4k. I'm not at all the most technical person, so I was hoping some more tech-minded individuals wouldn't mind commenting on my hardware selection.
Honestly, I'm just wondering if:
1. All the components are compatible.
2. When put together, the rig will be able to render in 1080p-4k.
3. With this hardware, what kind of rendering times am I looking at in general for 1080p-4k images?
and
4. All things considered, am I getting my money's worth (budget is ~$1,000)? Am I overspending on features I don't need?
Thank you in advance for anyone able to take a look at what I've got in my cart and giving your input!
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I don't think the CPU and motherboard match, and the graphcs card will not be used by Iray if that's what you are rendering in.
I'm not an expert but my understanding is you'll need an nvidia card. I'm thinking about getting an eGPU and I'm only considering nvidia since that was Daz uses.
You don't need a X570 motherboard for a Ryzen 2000 CPU. A X470 or B450 will do.
If you'd name your total budget I can spec an iRay rig for you.
All right this is what I came up with.
PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WrnX27
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B450-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($87.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.80 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB MINI Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Gigabyte B-H 700 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($68.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1058.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-06 23:06 EST-0500
That should be a very good render and gaming machine for $1100 (assuming you're a Prime member and get all of that shipped for free)
Is AMD these days better as Intel? Its a long disscusion :D the best thing so far I see from AMD in the last years is, that you get most time more CPU kernels for lesser money as Intel.
I am also looking to build up a new System because my PC can't handle it... so... I take also a look on it :D
8GB graphic card... great xD I assume with that PC you can also run games good if you can render good? :D
119$ the AMD ryzen... my German store where I would buy it want 255€ (you can see €/$ as similar, not really a big difference...)
I hate how expensive the vendor is where I wanna buy my expensive stuff....
any alternatives to the listed AMD CPU?
and, I know iray is based on Nvidia, but... WHY can it not render in iray with an AMD card? :/
https://www.otto.de/p/captiva-highend-gaming-r51-788-gaming-pc-amd-ryzen-5-16-gb-ram-1000-gb-hdd-480-gb-ssd-luftkuehlung-1006255380/#variationId=1006255381
Thats what I found, under 1.000e 16GB DDR4, 8GB GTX card, AMD ryzen 5, sounds like... it ahve the most you said?
The Powersupply have only 430w sof ar I see it, that isnt much O_o " Xilence Performance A+ XP430, it doesnt have any info how much power it have, my first search said 430W...)
Mainboard: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/A320M-PRO-M2-V2/Specification
(just one PCi slot and just 2 RAM slots, up to 32GB).
Edit... wow if I buy the one for 988€ the site want 300€ extra for paying it over 48months... shiiet... 1/3 of the price O_O
I chose the 2600 for price as much as performance. In the US at that price point Intel has nothing to offer but much older i5's and i3's which have fewer cores and lower clock speeds, plus motherboards with fewer modern features. So the 2600 just makes sense.
I used US pricing as that is where I'm at.
There are lots of alternatives to the CPU if you could get a 1600 cheaper that would work great as well.
For a prebuilt system if prices are that high then sure that would work. That power supply would be limiting if you want to upgrade or add a new graphics card or add HDD's but it should work in the system as built.
A 1.600 so thats a different AMD cpu with lesser power? I have now a i5 with 3,1Ghz Quadcore. but its too weak for a lot stuff.
I need a really feelable better CPU. not just a bit better.
The power supply annoys me, special, because changing that would need to do a lot cable management and to grab in most cases everything out of the PC, because you cant move them backside out, guess I would need to move everything out of the PC first....
Main reason for a preBuild system is, that I want a working clean cable management, I am not experienced with that.
A ryzen 5 1600 is not sold solo on Otto.de :(
Maybe you wanna try it? https://www.otto.de/ build up a system for 1.000€ you know the hardware names :)
Otto's German site won't load for me, probably georestricted or my ISP is blocking it for some reason.
The R5 1600 is from the first generation of Ryzen. Each generation adds to the first number of the part. So the 1600, 2600 and 3600 are all 6 core/12 thread CPU's (this isn't precisely correct after AMD recently released a 2600 labeled as a 1600 but close enough).
I wouldn't count on good cable management in prebuilts. They may not leave a lot of stuff where it can be seen but they tend to just cram it all behind the right side panel.
Doesn't Amazon sell in Germany?
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-YD1600BBAFBOX/dp/B07XTQZJ28/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=1600+AF&qid=1578517628&sr=8-5
The above is labeled as a 1600 but is almost a 2600 and frankly an amazing deal at $85US.
Amazon Does sell indeed, but you can not pay at amazon per month, you have to pay it ALL at the purchase date... and at Otto you can split it.
(at this calculation it want +313€ for paying it in parts..., but right now did a popup come, that I can get it with 0% :D )
And weird, that Otto is blocked from outside... I guess they wanna avoid trouble, because they woudl not deliver outside of germany... so to make sure you dont oder, they simply block it :o.... evil :(
https://www.amazon.de/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Stealth-YD1600BBAFBOX/dp/B07XTQZJ28/ref=nav_custrec_signin?keywords=1600+AF&qid=1578517628&sr=8-5&pldnSite=1&returnFromLogin=1&;
At amazon germany it cost 108€ But I need a full system, because my actual mainboard only supports 8GB ram... and I really need more -_-....
I found this:
- PC-Gehäuse Captiva Gaming 8860 weiss - Netzteil Xilence Performance A+ XP430 - AMD Ryzen 5 2600 - Cooler Xilence Performance C A250 - MSI A320M PRO-M2 V2 / A320M-A PRO MAX - 16384MB DDR4 (2 x 8GB) - VGA RTX 2060 Super 8GB GDDR5 - DVD-RW - SSD 480GB - HDD 1TB
988€ what think you?
(and again no info how much the power supply have...)
Edit: or this just 11€ more 999€
- PC-Gehäuse Aerocool Cylon RGB - Netzteil Thermaltake SMART RGB 500W - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - Cooler Xilence A250 - MSI B450M PRO-M2 - 16384MB DDR4 - VGA RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 - SSD 240GB - HDD 1TB - Gehäuselüfter Xilence RGB 120mm (vorn) -
The CPU have a different Name, same for the graphic card. the 988€ PC have no discount, the 999€ PC is marked as discount.
versus.
what I can see is that the SSD lost 200GB :o... evil xD I think daz3d should get a SSD for loading content faster + saving faster.
If they both have 2060's get the second one. The R5 3600 is a better chip than the 2600.
No they dont have both 2.060's. I listed the differences over the images :)
VS
Edit: the 999€ PC have a Radeon/AMD card... so no Iray... I really hate this limitation to Nvidia :(
Then get the one with the 2060. There really isn't even a reason to consider the other if you mostly want to use it for DS.
Yeah its really sad... the 999€ PC is good, but the card...
I like kenshaw011267's build.
In general, I'd go for a Ryzen 5 3600, that's worth the extra 80$ IMHO.
The RTX 2060 Super is a great choice, because it has 8Gb of VRAM, differently than the RTX 2060.
The RTX 2070 Super has the best performance/cost ratio, but it costs more.
I wouldn't go under 32Gb of RAM, 3000+ Mhz.
Yes, go for a NVME SSD for Windows 10, and the 970 Evo is great.
And yes, you need a huge hard drive, because with time file stuck up.
For the power supply, if you can I'd go for a higher efficiency, because that PC will probably consume a lot of power, for many hours per day!
Thanks, I did grabbed now a lot own stuff together, because the Prebuild pcs come allways with 16GB ram and that is too less...
Trying to fit the other components in and stay under $1100 was tough so I dropped down 50W and one step in 80+ cert to save, IIRC, $25.
I ordered now this PC, special setup for DazStudio together with the Creator (sorry only in germany), but I hope the specs could help!
https://krotus-computer.de/detail/index/sArticle/831
Text version of the Link + Translation:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Mainboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus Pro
RAM: GSkill 32Gb DDR4 3000Mhz RAM
Graphiccard: KFA2 RTX2070 SUPER EX 8Gb
Hard Drives: Intenso Top Performance SSD 1Tb + Toshiba P300 1Tb HDD
Partition SSD: 100GB for Windows10, 900GB for Daz3d/ 1-3 games
Tower: Corsair SPEC OMEGA TG Rot <- (unnecessary, I just wanted a cool red looking one)
Power Suply: beQuiet System Power 9 500W
Windows: Windows 10 Pro 64bit
We checked the FAQ, because I wanted first a octacore CPU, but the FAQ from Dazstudio says, more as 6CPU's are not giving more improvement, so I did decide to grab a 2070RTX instead of a 2060RTX, but go on just Hexa(6) Core CPU.
My target was 1.000€ but now its 1.400€
I hope this setup will improve much my Joy.
Also the FAQ said 32GB Ram would be good.
A very helpful Info:
System Recommendations for DAZ Studio 4+
A lot interesting know how!
Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd return here with some new questions I have.
I'm considering upgrading my graphics card. Currently, I have an MSI RTX 2060 Ventus 6gb and I'm looking to upgrade to either the EVGA Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra Triple-Fan 24gb GDDR6x PCIe 4.0 ($1,299.99) or the EVGA Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming Triple Fan 12gb GDDR6x PCIe 4.0 ($1,099.99).
Both cards have 10,426 CUDA cores (I render in Iray), but the 3090 has 24gb of vram vs the 3080's 12gb.
My current specs are:
Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX B450F Gaming ATX
Processor: AMD RYZEN 7 2700X 8 Core
PSU: PowerSpec 650 Watt 80 Plus Bronze ATX Semi-Modular Power Supply
RAM: x4 8gb D4 2666 (32gb total)
Storage: x1 Samsung SSD 860 QVO 2.5 SATA 1tb, x1 Samsung SSD 870 QVO 2.5 SATA 2tb
I recognize that I'll have to upgrade the PSU to around 750W at the very least, and probably 850W most likely. But the CPU and motherboard appear to be compatible with both prospective GPU's. The question I have, being that the two cards have only about a $200 difference between them, is it worth simply going for the 3090 for the extra 12gb of vram? Or will the extra vram not really make all that much of a difference when working and rendering in DAZ? Even if I go with the 3080, it'll be doubling the amount of vram I currently have. But if I spend the extra $200, I'll be quadrupling my current vram, perhaps allowing me to forgo upgrading the GPU again for 5+ years?
Thanks in advance for any advice anyone can offer. :)
Rendering in Iray, the most important factor is the amount of VRAM, followed by the amount of RAM that should be three times the amount of VRAM
I highly recommend you to go for 64GB Ram! When I render a Room with 2-3 Peoples and full room, I run at ~30GB, if you have just 1-2GB left and open Firefox, Spotify or something other, it can end in a bluescreen! Also, the Software want some extra space sometimes, so with 64GB you are very safe, with 32GB you will run a lot times at your limit.
12GB Card is nice, I wait on 24GB, I have now 8GB, which is sometimes not enough and I have to split my scene in parts.
And its frustrating, I am still paying for my RTX2070 Super... and now I need a new one, I tell you you will not be happy with 12Gb in long term, if you make much 3D :D But 24GB is very expensive, especially with all the mining... but maybe when the 4XX Series is coming out (soon?) it will get cheaper.
Oh and... make sure to really have enough power, my system have just 500w maybe and... even when I wanna buy a new card, it would not handle it -_-.... and changing the power supply is annoying, a LOT cables... Your 650w can be too low, if you wanna upgrade. There is a upgrade very annyoing, so make sure to get there a big Power supply, even... (atleast here in Germany) with putins chaos, the electric bill is getting more and more expensive ;(
Would I not earn money with my Daz3d Images, I would stop making it, had to pay 400€ extra to my last year electric bill :(
Also for the Tower case, make sure its big enough for bigger cards, some cards will require even 3 slots!
Hey! Thank you for the reply, I appreciate it. So, just to clarify, you're saying that it would be more beneficial for me to upgrade my system RAM from 32gb to 64gb than it would be to purchase either of the GPU's?
And yeah, the 3090 (and possibly the 3080 I think) does require 3 slots, so I need to check that for sure.
Really? I thought vram was responsible for building a scene and determining how much you could load into it, while CUDA cores determined the actual speed at which a scene rendered? Or am I mistaken on that?
It doesn't help to have a fast card, if your scene doesn't fit the VRAM on the card => The card becomes completely useless.
I have the RTX 3060 12GB and most of the scenes it renders in around 15 minutes, even heavier ones in around 45 minutes... The card costs around 400-450 eur/usd... The only cards with more VRAM are the RTX 3090 (24GB) and the RTX A-series (16-48GB) - Would I have paid 1000-2000 eur/usd more for the card to shave 10 minutes from my usual renders or half an hour from the heavier scenes... I didn't consider the speed gain worth the money.
Running out of VRAM though and dropping to CPU increases render times 10 to 20+ fold, so Yes, the amount of VRAM is more important than the cuda-cores - Do not listen to the gamers, they are not using DS and/or rendering in Iray.
Well, I can't tell you about your GPU plans, but you need 64GB absolutely or you will be frustrated because a Scene will crash or just not start, because the ram is not enough :/
Here a very clean scene with 3 Chars in a living room:
the 8GB card is full loaded, my Ram is at ~20GB, but just thanks to my own savings, I know how to use instances and reduce 4K textures. A lot asset creatores use 4K textures.
For this case:
The right couch + pillows are all "empty" instances, that saves a lot :)
A strong CPU is not needed, I only need it for Video rendering, when I make videos to render it faster but... video render times are a joke when I compare it to my daz3d times xD
I have just 6 Cores, because I wanted to safe money at this slot.
Oh wow, so the 3090 would probably only shave off between 10-30 mins on a render? Hmm, well maybe I'd just be better off getting a new GPU similar to yours and upgrading my RAM to 64gb like Loony suggested.
Maybe an upgrade that looks something more like this?
-MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 15 Gbps GDRR6 192-Bit HDMI/DP PCIe 4 ($509)
-x2 Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 32GB (2 x 16GB) 3600MHz Kit ($95 each)
That would boost my vram up from 6gb to 12gb, and replace my current 32gb system RAM with 64gb. All for like ~$700ish since I wouldn't need a new PSU either, it looks like.