Genesis 3 Product Line in Poser

philebusphilebus Posts: 230
edited December 8 in Poser Discussion

Genesis 3 Products in Poser

 

The Genesis 3 figures are not officially supported by the DSON Poser Importer. However, thanks to some software from Willdial (You’ll need to search for that freebie at Renderosity), it is possible to make it do so anyway. Now that this range of products is starting to see some very low prices in the sales, it might be worth your considering with some provisos.

Firstly, you will need to be using Windows and Poser 11 – Mac is not supported.

Secondly, there’s no guarantee that future versions of Poser will support the DSON plug-in. While converting Genesis and Genesis 2 products to a Poser native format protects those investments, Genesis 3 cannot be converted at this time.

Thirdly, while there were a small number of accessories for Genesis 2 that were not compatible with Poser, even with the importer, there is a much, much greater number of them for Genesis 3 that can’t be used – and the only real way to know is to spend your money and give them a go. This is the reason I’m starting this thread, so, like my other thread, some experience of these problems can be shared. One of the biggest bugbears is footwear – you can often force fit the stuff that doesn’t quite work, which is mostly OK for me but if you want close ups of footwear, Genesis 3 is probably not your best choice of figure.

Besides a little future proofing, the chief reason for converting the Genesis and Genesis 2 product lines to a Poser native format, rather than to just use the Importer, is for improved performance. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, that isn’t an option for the Genesis 3 figures. I have tried running them through the Netherwork’s File Optimizer but sadly the process breaks all of the JCMs (the morphs are there but the ERC is gone).

That said, if it were possible, there is another reason that it might not be such a useful direction to take. Genesis 3 figures make a lot of use of JCMs (Joint Control Morphs) and clothing creators don’t sculpt these for their products as used to be the case for the pre-Genesis figures – instead, they can relay on Studio’s morph transfer facility that can be used in Poser only via the DSON importer plug-in and not be figures converted to the Poser native format. Certainly, Poser 11 Pro does have a morph transfer tool but I don’t think the results are up to the job.

At this point, if you want to go ahead with trying Genesis 3 in Poser, please make sure you follow Willdial’s advice and install the older Beta version of the DSON Importer. He notes in his guide that three are problems with the geometry under the chin which only occur with the new version of the Importer. However, there is another problem I found with the Female figure – the left side of the expressions were seriously distorted. On top of this, I found that both male and female figures also suffered some strange distortions for the lower eyelids. I found that neither problem occurred with the beta Importer.

 

So your essential checklist before starting is…


Poser 11 Pro

Windows PC

DSON Importer for Poser Beta (if you have the DSON importer, this should also be in your product library available for download – get it and back it up!). If you already have the later version installed, don’t worry, just run the Beta installer and it will uninstall that for you.

Willdial’s Genesis 3 Poser Updater (search at Renderosity)

A shedload of time to get things started – but once the foundation work is done, it’s done.

 

Preparation

 

Fit Control: If you have the Fit Control product or one like it (I highly recommend something like this), then do uninstal before you work to export figures for Poser. After you’ve completed that job, then you add it back before you start work on exporting clothing items.

A Heavy Figure: I have managed to collect up 23 Base Characters for the Genesis 7 Female, along with some additional morph packs to add function and additional form. This creates the same problem I found with the original Genesis, which, like this one, had so many morphs packed in that it is an unmanageably heavy figure, that weighs so much on performance such that moving an arm becomes an exercise in patience. If you have collected a lot of morphs, then the best answer to this problem is the same as I used for Genesis – the creation of light figures. You need to uninstall chunk of your morphs to create lighter figures that retain the functionality you need. I actually created one for each base, all of which retained the various core body and face morphs, along with those for improved function. You should be able to include a few of the Base Characters into each figure without a great loss in performance though.

 

Finishing

 

Once you’ve run your figures through the Poser Updater you might look at them and wonder why they look so bland. Where’s all that detail from the Base Character promos? There are, of course, high definition add-ons for the Base Characters but the detail you see in the Base promos is largely from maps – most importantly, the normal maps. I’ve mentioned these before in my thread for converting Genesis and Genesis 2 figures and to illustrate, here’s the Rune character in Poser’s default lighting, first with just her basic texture and subdivision dialled up to 2, and then with the normal maps:

If you think these look a tad ‘too much’, you would be right – I set my normals maps to 1.5 but not without reason. I’m not rendering for realism but with a view to post-working the image into a faux painting and for that, if I need this sort of detail at all, I need it to be a little exaggerated to prevent it being lost in the process.

Some detail of this kind can also be added from morph packs, such as body tone and the detail for the knees but normal maps are efficient and resource friendly, so if you have them, best to use them.

 

Note About Expressions

 

The expression dials do now work well but don’t try dialling them up to 1! for some reason, the morphs as intended max out far below that value – often a bit less than 0.5. Dial them up to 1 and you’re likely to get a monstrous result.

 

Table of Products

 

Over the last year or two, I've been picking up Gen3 items at very low prices in various sales but have only just gotten around to looking at them closely. In the below table, I shall be posting products that I’ve tried out with notes about how they worked out in Poser. As with my Genesis/Genesis 2 thread, it will be a matter of as and when I’ve time but I’ll make a new post when I update the list so if you’re subscribed to the thread, you’ll get a notification. For products purchased at DAZ, I’ll include links to them in the store, those without links are likely to have been purchased at Renderosity.
 

Product Type Conversion Notes
Betty Outfit Clothing The top and bottom both work just fine. The shoes are passable for my needs but they do require a little adjustment (unhide dials and shift around the toe parts, then expect to tidy in post).
Business Suite for Genesis 3 Female Clothing Excellent. Everything works well and looks great - shoes and all.
Casual Style for Genesis 3 Female Clothing Very nice set indeed - everything works well.
Classic Denim Jumpsuit Clothing The jumpsuit itself works well and looks great. The shoes however, are a write off.
Country Girl Clothing Very nice - all parts, including the boots, work well.
Cowl Neck Dress Clothing Simple item, looks good, works well.
Doctor Coat Outfit Clothing The shoes are passable for my needs, the skirt, shirt, and doctor's coat all worked very well.
Firestorm Clothing All items work perfectly - this was purchased very recently at DAZ3D but no longer appears in the store for some reason.
Go Go Outfit Clothing Nice set, all works perfectly, including the boots.
Hongyu's TankTop Clothing Simple item, works perfectly.
Hot Jumpsuit Clothing All items, shoes included, work well.
i13 Barista Clothing The tie doesn't quite work and is hard to fix - better to select the material and make transparent/invisible. Everything else works well but you will want to edit the textures a tad to eliminate some white seams.
i13 Classroom teacher Clothing All works well.
i13 Librarian   Clothing Shoes work ok(ish) but everything else works well.
i13 Maid Ensemble Clothing All works well but you will need to edit the texture a tad to eliminate white seams. Also, select trim material and check Normals Forward.
i13 Modern Cow Girl Clothing I did need to adjust the toe of the right boot with x translate but but done, all worked well.
i13 Nurse Clothing You might need to adjust the toes of the boots with the bend dial but otherwise, all worked well.
i13 Office Worker Clothing Worked well.
i13 Secluded Living Clothing All works well.
i13 Server Clothing All works well.
i13 Vacation Outfit Clothing All works well, save the necklace which looks a little wobbly after morph transfer.
Kitchen OohLaLa Clothing Sadly none of the three pieces work at all.
Lace Nights Clothing Works well.
M-65 American Icon Clothing Excellent item, worked very well.
MA-1 Flight Jacket Clothing Excellent item, worked very well.
Marionette Clothing Very nice set, all time s work well but the dials for movement in the body parts don't work properly - it's not really a problem though, just select the sleeve and skirt parts and dial their movement directly.
New Semester Clothing All worked well except for the short sleeve morph.
New York Essence Clothing The shirt, trousers, and shoes all work very well. There are four different versions of the jacket but I'm afraid that only one of them works - it's enought to be useful, so I think the set is still worthy of consideration if you see it on sale.
Peter Pan Collar Dress Clothing All worked well, though you will need to edit the textures a tad for white seams.

RainbowLight Bodystocking

Clothing Nothing imported.
RainbowLight Business Outfit Bundle Cloting The blazer and shoes don't import import. The bag is a prop, so no problems there. The dress works fine, save for the back-open morphs (this can be purchased separately).
RainbowLight Dark Knight Clothing The belt doesn't import. The feet of the boots are mangled. Because the bodysuit was designed to be used with boots, the legs end short, so you would need some replacement long boots for it - however, it works OK(ish), though to use the open morphs, you will need to make the zipper and zip head transparent/invisible. The gloves and mask work fine.
RainbowLight Elegant Clothing All works well (thought he hat takes a long time to load first time and asks for missing pmd file - just save out again or export as a prop instead). The coat was what I really wanted from this and it makes the purchase worth while all by itself.
RainbowLight Fall Outfit Clothing Doesn't import.
RainbowLight Hot Fashion Clothing All works well.
RainbowLight Loving You Clothing All works well.
RainbowLight MODA Clothing All works well.
RainbowLight Clothing Works well.
Riot Girl Clothing & Hair

The hocky stick is just a prop, so no problems there.

The parts that all work very well are pants, stockings, boots, shirt, bra, hair, hat, and the version of the blouse that is worn.

There is a version of the blouse that is worn tied around the waist and unfortunately, there look to be some ungrouped polys on the right which render it useless - perhaps someone with more knowledge than myself could fix it but I can't. At the end of the day, it isn't a deal breaker for me. This is a very useable and well made product.

Sana Style Clothing Everything works well and looks good, including the shoes.
Sassy Girl Clothing Everything works well and looks good, including the slippers
Sexy Kimono Dress Clothing Single item, works well and looks good.
Sleepy Nights Gown Clothing The slippers work - but sadly not the gown.
Trench Coat Outfit Clothing Excellent! Even the boots work very well (though you'll need to bend the toes back in place after applying the provided pose). Really good looking item too.
Vintage Swimsuit Clothing Everything works well (the hat and glasses are props).
Wish Granter Clothing All worked well.
Women's Suit A Clothing Shoes, skirt and top work fine but the jacket, which is why I wanted this, has ungroupled polys on both sleeves, so is of no use.
Yuki Clothing All worked well.
Zip Front Rash Guards Clothing No footwear in this one. All items work perfectly well.

 

Female Hair

 

Well, I'm certainly glad that I made these purchase very, very cheaply and very gradually - because less that half of them work! About 44% and some of those only with some provisos. My testing has been a little hurried to get through this lot - I've checked loading onto a posed character, looked for missing or stretched geometry, applied textures and tried out some morphs.

A note regarding textures - you don't want to spend forever looking for where they are to apply them, so do create poser companion files to apply them. You'll still need to make some tweaks but it gives you a starting place.

All of the below were purchased at the DAZ3D store - I'm not going to link all of these ones but I will come back later and add links to those that do work. Please also note that while I say that I can fix a few in post - I'm post-working into faux paintings, which is very forgiving, while if you are aiming for photo-realism, then you should probably pass on these as well.

That so few of these work in Poser is not the end of the world - there is a time honoured skill known to us old time users, of fitting hair made for one onto another.

Product Outcome Notes
Aliza No  
Apple No  
Bluebell No and Yes Small bit of broken geometry at the back - I can fix it in post
Bobbity Bo No  
Careless Braid No  
Casino Yes  
Chace Yes  
Charli No  
Date Night No  
Diesel No  
Double Trouble No  
Dragonfly Yes  
Edwardian Yes  
Eliot No  
Fashion Bob No  
Fayette No and Yes Small bit of missing geometry at the back - I can fix in post
Flirty No  
Frawn No  
French Twist No  
Garden Party No  
Girly Locks No  
Gizelle Yes  
Gully No  
Havana No  
Helena No  
Idris Yes  
Insurgent Geisha No  
Jade Tiger No  
Juliette No  
Kanshashi No  
Legacie No  
Lena No  
Louise Yes  
Lyam Bob No  
Mada Yes  
Mele No and Yes There's some missing geometry at the back - I can fix in post.
Midnight Special Yes  
Odessa Yes  
Olenna Yes  
OOT Kyle No  
Orphelia No  
Paisley No  
Pandora Yes  
Rebecca Yes  
Ruby Yes  
Sheridan No  
Sienna Yes  
Streaming Yes  
Sorrow Yes  
Tapered Yes  
Two Phase Bob No  
Wildling Yes  
Yvette Yes Scarf hide doesn't work, so you need to use the material room
Zarah Yes Length dials are a bit iffy but I wouldn't want them for this anyway

 

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  • philebusphilebus Posts: 230

    Edited to add a series of i13 products purcheased earlier in the year at very low prices (usually as part of bundles with environments and poses). These largely worked very well.

  • philebusphilebus Posts: 230
    edited December 7

    Edited to add a goup of miscellaneous items sold here and a group fo items by RainbowLight at Renderosity.

    This brings the Genesis 3 Female clothing items on this list to about 50. I've still some more to test out (about 70!) but I'm going to take a break for from them and my next posts will be hair items. After that, I shall try and turn my attention to the Male product line.

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  • philebusphilebus Posts: 230

    Updated to add list of hair products for Genesis 3 Female.

  • Hello

    I get the G3M into poser. It works ok so far. I made body hair to the figure in the hair room. Also works fine. But as soon I save the figure and load it back randomly some hair definitions are defect. I think its an issue of the DSON importer when loading the figure. Do you know thi sissue? is there a solution?

  • philebusphilebus Posts: 230
    edited December 13

    Hello

    I get the G3M into poser. It works ok so far. I made body hair to the figure in the hair room. Also works fine. But as soon I save the figure and load it back randomly some hair definitions are defect. I think its an issue of the DSON importer when loading the figure. Do you know thi sissue? is there a solution?

    I'm afraid that I've not yet attempted the hair room with these figures. Genesis and Genesis 2 figures that have been made Poser native would probably work but that isn't an option for Genesis 3.

    If I had to guess, I would guess at an issue with the Importer but it's probably not a bug - DAZ studio uses a differnt method of subdivision, which is why the importer is needed for HD morphs and as the hair is applied to the geometry, that might be the source of the problem. I wonder if you were to switch off the subdivision when creating the hair and saving out, then perhaps switch on again after loading (if it loads correctly). Just a guess though.

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