Graphic card advice (australia prices)
jakiblue
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I am a real newb when it comes to graphic cards so looking for some simple to understand advice regarding some graphic cards. I'm wanting to upgrade mine so was looking at this page:
https://www.pccasegear.com/category/193_876/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards
(australian store)
My current system specs:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 4gb
Memory: 16384MB RAM
(getting this from the dxdiag cos I can never remember it!)
I am planning on getting more memory too at some stage. But I'm wondering what would be a good vid card from that list I linked. I can't tell the difference between things like GeForce RTX 2070 Super Aorus 8GB or RTX 2070 Super Gaming OC 8GB!! They look the same to me but there's a $100 price difference! LOL.
Budget is definitely under $1000 - probably swing maybe $600 - $800 at a push.
Card is mainly for DazStudio use, and the only games I play are things like Planet Coaster, Planet Zoo, Sims etc. I don't play the heavy shoot em ups etc.
Advice? Something to help with render speed or load? (I've had a few scenes slip over to the cpu lately and had to dump them)
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Go for any RTX it will support Daz Studio and most render engines. If your budget support I recommend spend extra $100.
Any RTX card should work fine with mentioned games. Please note that I am not a gamer, except Need for Speed I never played any heavy PC game.
Any 2070 is the same as any other for iRay. The more expensive cards are factory overclocked or the like and are aimed at gamers. You do not need or want that for rendering.
As to specific recommendations, Only look at 16xx and 20xx cards. Get the highest number you can. Super cards are a bump up from the base card and make it nearlt match the next step up 2060 Super is close to being a base 2070. If at all possible get the 20xx cards as they have RTX features which greatly speed rendering. A very good entry point to those cards is the 2060 Super (there's one on sale fopr $599 AU on that site).
The 2070 Super is a very good card for the money. The more expensive unit won't really do much for you for rendering. You will want to make sure your PSU has the capacity for it, and look at the dimensions of those cards. Some of the "super gaming!!!!" cards are really tall and thick to fit the fans they put on them. Many are 2.5 or 2.7 slots thick. So make sure they're not too big to fit in your case.
I recommend checking out this benchmark thread here. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/341041/daz-studio-iray-rendering-hardware-benchmarking/p1
You can download the scene for yourself and render it, and then directly compare your render times to those posted by others. You can also post your times there too, I'm not sure if a 960 is on this list yet, so that would be nice to have. I imagine a 2070 Super would be quite a bit faster and solid upgrade. Plus it will have 8gb of VRAM, doubling what you currently have. That alone is a big upgrade!
There is very little difference between the same cards. A 2070 Super is a 2070 Super. The difference comes from clockspeed and cooling. A higher clocked card will render faster, by not by a big margin. I would look for a card that has a decent cooler, since I assume this card will get a lot of work from you running long renders. A 2070 S will use more power and can run much hotter than a 960 ever will, so cooling does require at least some thought with it.
Thanks for the link was looking for a decent AUS store ! I never get anything graphic card unless it's got a TI in the name way more expensive but way more faster !
so is Ti like the GT for grand turismo in cars
No. Nvidia just slaps it on SKU's. It means some bit of nerd humor important to the guys at Nvidia but it was so forgettable I literally forgot it. Between Pascal and Turing there were the 1050ti (a card that was clearly a step up from the 1050), 1070ti (essentially a 1080 that came out in the last 6 months or so of the Pascal line), 1080ti (the flagship card and mirrors the x80ti from the previous generations), 1660ti ( the top of the Turing GTX line), 2080ti (the flagship of the Turing line),
Yeah the "ti" naming has been wildly abused. Now Nvidia has gone nuts with this "Super" branding. We now have a 1660, a 1660ti, and a 1660 Super. I'm not sure how the average consumer is supposed to figure this out. There are rumors we might even get a 2080ti Super, which is bananas.
AMD can be silly too. They have a 5700 and 5700XT, and seamingly every Ryzen 3000 processor has a "X" tacked on its name.
The RTX supers are more reliable so far, as in they don't arrive DOA or die after a month like a lot of the regular RTX cards did. As for ryzen, all the X cards are binned chips, and can be "overclocked" with one click in bios, rather than having to go through the trouble of fine tuning an overclock yourself. The factory overclock version perfomrd better than manual overclock on my machine, so I just set it and forget it lol.
I think the failure rates of RTX cards has been much hyped. The RTX quadros do not seem to be failing at an unusual rate and those are the same chips as the consumer GPU's.
Possible, but forums were chock full of reports, I was also one of the unlucky ones that recieved a DOA RTX 2070. First time I ever recieved a DOA computer part lol. Some work popped up between the time it took for the jerk vendors to refund me, so I ended up being able to eek out the money for a 2080 super instead.
you have to have the Super Ti X factors. I'm waiting for the WOW factors. 2070 Super Ti X WOW ... they will be really fast.
I have one of those AMD X processors. AMD 3800X. Not sure if the X tacked on makes a WOW difference. DAZ Studio still loads as slow as it did with my old system.
There are always going to be cards that fail during shipping or right after being installed. That's the nature of mass produced electronics.
The thing is my job has 30 some RTX Quadros installed and I'm abkle to check other datacenters who publish their hardware failure rates. RTX Quadros simply aren't failing at an unusual rate. Sincethe only common factor between different brands og graphics cards is the actual GPU made by Nvidia, and those same chips are in the Quadros...
I lost notifications for this thread! Sorry everyone. There's some really good tips and advice here, thank you. Still confused between all the 'super' etc.
Would this do the trick?
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/45178/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2060-oc-6gb
or would this be better:
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/46953/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2060-super-windforce-oc-8gb
(that's 8gb instead of 6gb)
What does "windforce" mean? Is that just a brand?
Also, do i need to upgrade my motherboard to use the card? I'm not sure, I thought someone told me once that you have to make sure your motherboard will support it - I have no idea how to find that out.
My specs say my motherboard is a:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-B150M-D3H-rev-10#ov
this is my current card:
https://www.gigabyte.com/au/Graphics-Card/GV-N960G1-GAMING-4GD-rev-10/sp#sp
it says it's H=39 L=298 W=115 mm
the RTX 2060 Super Windforce OC 8GB says it's L=265 W=121 H=40 which seems that it should fit ok? Am I looking at the right specs for that?
Why you no ask me this stuff Jaki! Anyway the more cuda cores and vram the better. The size concern is mostly about your case since those can vary and you want to be sure that the thing will fit. Most GPUs take up 2 slots on the back of the case these days (as far as I know) so be sure that will work too.
Yes the 2 cards are very close and if one fits the other should. Windforce is a brand. It is one of the "budget" ones IIRC. The 2060 Super is better than the basic 2060. Your motherboard is fine.