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Movie Making

VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,526
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Has anyone here ever made a movie with a ggmix of camcorder and 3D?

I ant to start a project like that, since I was given a camcorder for Christmas. My main concern is getting good audio without a bunch of background noise. I figure I can get a good voice recorder and hide it in the clothes, but I see a problem with that.

I'm deaf, but I used to be able to hear. When I played with recorders I noticed that if you move while they re attached to you, it will record a weird "chirp" noise or something like that. I want to avoid that.

Any suggestions?

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  • LycanthropeXLycanthropeX Posts: 2,287
    edited January 2014

    if your camcorder has a mic jack, hook up an off camera mic. better yet, get a wireless mic pack, the transmitter goes with your actor, the receiver plugs into the camera.

    If you use a digital recorder to record your audio separately, then get a movie clap board. The clap board is used to synchronize sound that is recorded separately. When you start recording, you snap the slate, later when editing everything together you line up the sound of the slate snap to the moment the slate snaps closed on your video, after that all your sound should line up.

    A good video editing program is needed as well. I recommend HitFilm Ultimate 2, it has mocha tracking built in and you can import 3D models and animate them right in the video editor. Plus it has awesome special effects.

    A lok at HitFilm ( currently on sale)

    http://youtu.be/uZkoiDxYSHE

    http://youtu.be/CVMZv8j2KZM

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  • Geminii23Geminii23 Posts: 1,328
    edited January 2014

    LightofHeaven said:
    Has anyone here ever made a movie with a ggmix of camcorder and 3D?

    I ant to start a project like that, since I was given a camcorder for Christmas. My main concern is getting good audio without a bunch of background noise. I figure I can get a good voice recorder and hide it in the clothes, but I see a problem with that.

    I'm deaf, but I used to be able to hear. When I played with recorders I noticed that if you move while they re attached to you, it will record a weird "chirp" noise or something like that. I want to avoid that.

    Any suggestions?

    I concur with several things that LycanthropeX has suggested. I have never used HitFilm so I am not sure about that software, but it looks promising. I use Final Cut Pro 7 and X as well as Apple Motion and Adobe After Effects for all my video and film editing work.

    If you want to record high quality professional audio, you will need a few things and depending on your budget you might be better off renting equipment, but here are some economical solutions for you to explore:

    1. Lavalier Mic Setup: Sennheiser EW112P
    2. Audio Recorder: Zoom H4N
    3. Deadcat or Windscreen: Tetra Teknica

    Alternatively you might also look into getting a shotgun mic such as a Rode VideoMic

    All good editing software has background noise removal tools, but your mileage will vary depending on how clean your recording setup was in the first place. A good (and free) program to use for eliminating white noise that provides a lot more control is Audacity

    Now, I mean this with the utmost respect, but as a professional video editor I can tell you that if you are deaf or hard of hearing, you will need someone who knows what they are doing to assist you with the audio and sound design portions. Being able to visually synch the audio is one thing, but I have perfectly normal hearing and I still prefer to have my friends that are trained musicians and composers listen to my work just to be certain that things are as good as can be. But this is all based on what level of professional product you are looking to deliver. Most people are satisfied with what I would consider pretty subpar quality video and audio on YouTube and the internet it seems.

    It sounds like you are embarking on a great journey though and I look forward to seeing your work!

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  • LycanthropeXLycanthropeX Posts: 2,287
    edited December 1969

    I have this set, not top of the line, but it has served me well enough Azden WLX

    Don't dismiss audio. Good Audio is key to good video. If you look at movies like Planet Terror where they intentionally degraded the film with scratches and jitters etc, but it doesn't distract from the film... why? Because the audio is good. If a film were really that degraded it would sound like those bad film reals they show in high school

    Also, don't forget tennis balls. If you are going to be combining video with digital elements, you will need good tracking. Tennis balls on sticks are cheap easy markers.

    None of this is particularly hard. You just need to know your tools, both hardware and software. and plan ahead. When ever you are doing an VFX shot, planning is crucial.

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,526
    edited December 1969

    Woo, I have lots to look at!! :DC Hereis my cam. It looks like it has a gun mic and wind canceler. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AW54Z4K/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2V645IN1RB66E&coliid=I23HXSC84OQXAS

    I don't get the puroe of the tennis balls though. Can you give me an example?

  • LycanthropeXLycanthropeX Posts: 2,287
    edited December 1969

    If you are shooting video with a moving camera, either hand held or on a dolly track, etc, and you want to add digital elements to the scene and have them match the moves the camera made, you need to use camera tracking software like pfhoe, voodoo, mocha, or some other similar program. These programs work best when there is a clear reference points in the video. If say you are shooting an urban setting with lots of buildings, the straight lines of the building may be all you need. But if you are say filming in a forest or an open field, some place lacking any clear regular shapes for the software to pick up on easily, You can use bright colored tennis balls to add reference points for the tracking software. Or say you want a digital creature to run through the scene. Roll the tennis ball and let the tracking program track the rolling ball, then attach your digital critter to the tracking point from the ball. The point is the Tennis balls are a bright object that the camera and camera tracking software can pick up on easily and they are not hard to cover or remove from the footage later.

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,526
    edited December 1969

    Oh! So that's how they get stuff like Gollum into LOTR And and Toons into films like that old Roger Rabbit movie, right?

  • LycanthropeXLycanthropeX Posts: 2,287
    edited January 2014

    LightofHeaven said:
    Oh! So that's how they get stuff like Gollum into LOTR And and Toons into films like that old Roger Rabbit movie, right?

    yup, thats about right

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  • alecialimlealecialimle Posts: 2
    edited December 1969

    Not yet, but hope to make soon. I am in touch with a professional, I will take his help for some good suggestions. As I am a beginner so its for me to do so..

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,526
    edited December 1969

    Lycanthrope, what if i want to do close-ups with this method bt my shot is too far or the ball wentr too fast troo fast to keep up with? Srely, if i try to zoom on rtrhe frames while editingc rrthuifs will pixeilate. Nobody wants to edit 1000 dframesa.

  • LycanthropeXLycanthropeX Posts: 2,287
    edited December 1969

    well it doesn't always work

    part of being a good film maker is knowing there are hundreds of ways of achieving the shot you want, your job is to find the way that works for you, and works for each type of shot

  • Dave_5690Dave_5690 Posts: 19
    edited December 1969

    That's a nice camera, I have the 920 and love it.

    If I were you, I would buy an external mic and plug it into your camera. Depending on who/what you're shooting, either a cardioid microphone mounted just out of the shot or a lavalier mic attached to a person. Coming from a non-professional, this is *significantly* easier than recording on a separate device and trying to match up the audio.

    Also easier when you're starting is to mount the camera on a tripod and don't move around during a shot. This makes inserting the digital objects much easier as you don't need to do tracking/matchmoving.

    You can see an example that I did this way here:

    http://youtu.be/XiL85mmgnOQ

    In the first part I inserted 3D objects into camcorder video, in the second part I inserted camcorder video (shot on greenscreen) into 3D footage.

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