Anatomical Elements
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Besides the pro pack, is there any other (legal) way to get the anatomical elements?
(dont mean the ones from renderotica but the standard ones from Daz themselves)
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You could try contact customer support if they have a workaround, but inside the store, i know of no such option.
Don't know why you wouldn't just go for the ones at renderotica, it's cheaper and less hassle and they have way more functionality.
True. But I have always wondered why they aren't part of the genesis starter pack.
But i will likely end up getting the 3fleetwolf one. For that reason.
Just wonderd why they arent included by default.
I like that one best, the scripting voodoo it does to match any skin tone is really nice.
Meipes female version also has a script that matches and has now added many more options, I like that one better now.
I've bought a few propacks, so I can't check, but didn't we get anatomical elements with the V8 pack that came with Daz?
Pretty sure they come with all the propacks, except like the teenager ones.
Anatomical Elements only come in adult pro bundles.
Silly me. I thought I'd gotten V8 free with the Daz download. Checked my order history and turns out I'd bought it. And *gasp* at the regular Platinum price. /facepalm
Ah, the foolish things we did in our youths...
Got a reply from support. I need to buy a propack, there is no other way. Pretty silly if you ask me but hey.
It would be cheaper to go 3rd-party if that's all you're after. Plus you get more flexibility, in more ways than one.
yeah i will likely get the 3fleetwolf or meipe one. From what i could tell is that the first one gets the most support in pose packs but i will look into them both before deciding.
I've got both of those for both G3 and G8, and while they're both quite good, I generally find the 3DFleetwolf ones to be both a little simpler to use and more widely supported in terms of add-ons..
I felt that way also until recently with the new expansions for the Meipe one, it's now my goto.
how do you mean, "supported in terms of addons" as I have never seen an addon for either one in any character package.
Why not both? .jpg
Really, if you're seriously into the female anatomy, both have their uses and benefits. Sometimes I prefer the one, and sometimes I prefer the other, and sometimes I use the Daz gens because that is often the simplest solution...
It's all depending on what's needed at the time.
Don't forget this very important point, that official Daz gens need a genital texture map specific to their character to work. Not all character models include this texture, some PAs just don't do them. The 'rotica gens can color match any character model. So on this one point alone, the 3rd party options are better. The gold palace ones in particular have way more features, and are far, far superior to what Daz offers. Its not even close.
Honestly, I just don't see any good reason why one should bother with Daz's gens at all. Plus the sky high price of a pro bundle for the gens. Though I do admit at this point I have bought some pro bundles, I still think its a very stupid practice that doesn't do anybody any good. It doesn't matter what the excuse is, its not good enough. This is a site that sells 3D ART content.
Maybe he meant poses? Some pose sets at the naughty place include poses for one or the other genital set.
For those characters without Anatomical Elements textures, there's a free "Torso UV" for both the Male and Female Daz gens. You use the Torso surface, and the UV makes it work with the gens. It does provide a perfect color match..
There are also shells to add color and texture to the Daz gens.
As for why? In my experience, the Daz gens work better across a broader range of motion. While the Daz gens have fewer options than third party gens even with morph packages, simplicity isn't always a problem. You can set it up faster and pose it in a much simpler way. This might not work for close-range shots, but most of the time, you're not doing gynocological detail work if you're actually producing images at the end of the day.
Yes, third party gens are generally better, but there are reasons to use the Daz gens. (Moreso on the male side, IMO, but the female gens are also good if you use them to their strengths.)
Hmm. How to put this while dancing around the forum's restrictions? I'm specifically talking about morphs, hair, and third party support. And, really, the two product lines are currently pretty equally supported if you're looking at it just in terms of G8F. Where the difference comes in is G3F, which I still use quite heavily, as Fleetwolf's product has been around almost as long as G3F herself, with the G8F version being simply an add-on update to the G3F version. By comparison, Meipe's Palace product is the total inverse, starting out as a G8F item that was then retro converted to also support G3F. That makes for a two year difference in time on the market, so while 3rd party product support for G8F is split fairly evenly, third party products for G3F tilt overwhelmingly in support of Fleetwolf with Sledgehammer's product being the next closest rival. This is why we have things like full character sets sold at CGBytes that include textures done specifically for NGV7 and an expansion morph set from Zev0 that integrates perfectly with his other G3F morph sets.
In the end, though, the hair options are where I see the biggest difference. I've bought quite a few of those and, IMHO and experience, the best and most versatile, um, hairstyling products for this purpose are those made by MIKE1954, which are available for just about every thrid party anatomical product that exists, and the ones made by 3DFleetwolf, which are, needless to say, only available for his own G8F and G3F sets. To be fair, I don't use the shaders included with either of those sets, and I haven't bought Meipe's most recent expansion set in that vein either. However, from reading the promotional text, Meipe's clearly lacks the "barbershop" capability of changing shapes and growth patterns by altering the transmap that makes both Mike and Fleetwolf's products so versatle, and, at the current time, Meipe's set is only available for his G8F version.
Ah, gotcha. I rarely use any of the hair products, but I have seen the issues with then, so i understand now.
It is good to see some opinions on the various options. I have pro packs for Genesis 3 and 8 but plan on getting the female addons is on my list of future purchases once I have some income. Well and maybe something in between since I don't have any males models (other than the starters).
For females, one other option to consider is MostDigitalCreations Anatomically correct series, which are based on textures and displacement maps rather than geometry. Initially they were available as photoshp packages that could be added to any existing skin texture, but he now makes full characters sets with the add-ons already installed, so it's easy just to steal the skin off one of those. Obviously they lack the... um... flexibility of a geograft solution, but since they're actually part of the base figure rather than an add on, they can be a lot easier to use in situations where the grafts are problematic.
Yeah, and if you think there are issues with some of the lower body hair options, just wait til you try to find a decent armpit hair solution for either gender. I've yet to find one that works well in all situations, and often have to stack both a 2d product and a 3D product together to get the right punk rocker look. Apparently DAZ is unaware that a lot of millenial women (1 in 4 in the US according to Teen Vogue) are passing on the underarm shaving now.
My experience too. Last time I left a message in the support forum for 3feetwolf, I noticed that there had been no response from him in months so I hope he's ok. He used to be very much on the ball with answering queries and adding suggested improvements.
As for the point made by the OP - it has long been a point of contention here because we need to buy a pro bundle to "qualify" for the AE product. The R'otica vendors must have thought their prayers had been answered though ;)
I seem to recall a post about a download from renderosity providing uvs for daz ones that use any uv?
It uses the torso UV. So a step in the right direction, but not one provided officially by Daz Studio itself, and one that requires some fiddling by the user. This also requires a geoshell to get the correct colors on things, otherwise you just get a projection of what the torso texture has. I found these at 'rotica, however they are paid products (I think that's a little unsavory, but whatever.) Even worse, when it comes to Genesis 3, they sell the unique UVs separately, and not all unique UVs are represented. GP also sells the unique UVs apart from the base as an add on, but they have ALL the unique UVs as a single add on purchase. That's 16 different UV maps. So if you use Genesis 3, you can buy 2 products by GP and cover every G3 in existance. With the other option, you can buy more than 2 products, in fact, I just looked this up, they have over 50 products covering Genesis 3 torso UVs because instead of doing the unique UVs, they focused on individual characters. These packs are $10 each.
NANI?
EEEEWWWWW, luckily I don't know of any women who don't shave there. My GF went camping with friends a few months back and it was a weird sensation her having leg hair, LOL
Remember that it's mostly PAs who decide what products to make. I mean, there's always the suggestion room. Also, wouldn't SBH be an option?