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Iray animation workflow

icouldbe65icouldbe65 Posts: 11
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I am looking to create a simple short film in daz and wanted it in iray. I seen people talk about After effects and premier and such, what is best and somewhat simplest to take animation from daz and create simple video. Dont have to be fancy just nice rendering....

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited September 2019

    If your talking about a video editor  then for free hitfilm express is the best free video editor  https://fxhome.com/hitfilm-express

    But for the very best video editor  I go with Adobe premiere which is what I use .  but it will cost you like 20 bucks a month because its a cloud service now , when i got it it came with creative suite packages

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  • benniewoodellbenniewoodell Posts: 1,999
    Or look into davinci resoclve, it's free and one of the most powerful and effective color gradersout there for after you're done editing (which you can do in resolve as well).
  • icouldbe65icouldbe65 Posts: 11

    So would i need render in iray or could i render in less resolution first then use the app to create better video?

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited September 2019

    Its sounds like you maybe  just starting out learning animations with daz . its an exciting time when first starting to learn animation.

    Unless you have a weak graphic card meaning anything under a gtx 970  with 4 gig gpu you can render Iray pretty quick. with the new daz 4.12 beta,  I can achieve 12 seconds a frame with 2 1080ti's.  I render everything in daz studio first in iray and use the video editor to put everything together to make the film. If your just starting out  I have a introduction into animation with daz studio that discusses animation work flow in it and i believe its on sale  https://www.daz3d.com/daz-studio--getting-started-with-animation

    This is a animation I just did.  it took 16 days from start to finsh to make   it has 31 scenes or 17,327 keyframes to be exact,  render at 1920x1080 HD using 65 iterations with denoiser enabled.

    Karate Girl in the 5th chamber of the Shaolin

    Watch along as Suki the Karate Girl tries to defeat the 3rd master of the 5th chamber in this 3 minute animated short of Kung Fu mastery.

    Created with Daz Studio 4.12 pro, rendered in NVIDIA iRAY

    Click picture to watch animation.

     

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,722
    edited September 2019

    The simplest if you just want to test the animation stills you make quickly without sound is to collate your animation stills using virtualDub.

    Also, until you get the animation as smooth as you like & you are just testing your animation by rendering to a series of stills render those stills using the openGL (basic) renderer and not iRay or 3DL or openGL Intermediate.

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,599
    icouldbe65 said:

    So would i need render in iray or could i render in less resolution first then use the app to create better video?

    The difference between Iray and other render engines isn’t resolution, but rather how they process information. Iray is physically-based rendering, 3Delight is not. In the (over)simplest terms, that means that it will be easier to get realistic results with Iray than 3DL, so if realism is what you want, then Iray is the way to go. Also, strictly speaking, you can't ADD resolution, and no amount of post-processing will really make video BETTER. You want to start with the best video possible.

  • benniewoodellbenniewoodell Posts: 1,999
    nonesuch00 said:

    The simplest if you just want to test the animation stills you make quickly without sound is to collate your animation stills using virtualDub.

    Also, until you get the animation as smooth as you like & you are just testing your animation by rendering to a series of stills render those stills using the openGL (basic) renderer and not iRay or 3DL or openGL Intermediate.

    This right here. I've been learning animation for the past nearly two years now and I just found out about open GL last month and it's amazing. It takes no time really and you can see what potential problems there are before ramping up your graphics card for Iray.
  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,305
    edited September 2019

    There is also free video editor, called Shotcut - https://shotcut.com/download/

    but I do not know, if it will be sufficient for you.

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  • p0rtp0rt Posts: 217
    edited September 2019
    have a key frame every 2.5 or 5 frames, so a 10 second animation would be 300 frames, but you only render the key frames then make an AVI from the rendered images using virtualdub then import the AVI into sony vegas or similar and stretch out the play file to 10 seconds so then the movie will play at 30FPS
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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,305
    edited September 2019
    icouldbe65 said:

    So would i need render in iray or could i render in less resolution first then use the app to create better video?

    That is also my idea. Rendering in iray in Daz Studio at the tiny resolution and scale it up with Topaz Labs Gigapixel AI,

    which can enlarge images up to 6 times (also in batch mode).

    It was already mentioned by Andrew Price - Blender guru - around 14 minutes 35 seconds in:

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,305
    p0rt said:
    have a key frame every 2.5 or 5 frames, so a 10 second animation would be 300 frames, but you only render the key frames then make an AVI from the rendered images using virtualdub then import the AVI into sony vegas or similar and stretch out the play file to 10 seconds so then the movie will play at 30FPS

    That is a nice idea. I did not know about it yet.

     

  • p0rtp0rt Posts: 217
    edited September 2019
    Artini said:
    p0rt said:
    have a key frame every 2.5 or 5 frames, so a 10 second animation would be 300 frames, but you only render the key frames then make an AVI from the rendered images using virtualdub then import the AVI into sony vegas or similar and stretch out the play file to 10 seconds so then the movie will play at 30FPS

    That is a nice idea. I did not know about it yet.

     

    it works, the correct way to to convert every 4 frames into 5 frames, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-two_pull_down

    but that takes longer as Daz3d doesn't have a full frame grid

    2.5 should be 2. its impossible to have half a frame

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,722
    Artini said:
    icouldbe65 said:

    So would i need render in iray or could i render in less resolution first then use the app to create better video?

    That is also my idea. Rendering in iray in Daz Studio at the tiny resolution and scale it up with Topaz Labs Gigapixel AI,

    which can enlarge images up to 6 times (also in batch mode).

    It was already mentioned by Andrew Price - Blender guru - around 14 minutes 35 seconds in:

    Oh, that looks like good scaling particularly for toon styles.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,722
    p0rt said:
    Artini said:
    p0rt said:
    have a key frame every 2.5 or 5 frames, so a 10 second animation would be 300 frames, but you only render the key frames then make an AVI from the rendered images using virtualdub then import the AVI into sony vegas or similar and stretch out the play file to 10 seconds so then the movie will play at 30FPS

    That is a nice idea. I did not know about it yet.

     

    it works, the correct way to to convert every 4 frames into 5 frames, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-two_pull_down

    but that takes longer as Daz3d doesn't have a full frame grid

    2.5 should be 2. its impossible to have half a frame

    You can change the FPS to 30 FPS or 24 FPS in virtualDub already before you go to Sony Vegas.

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