looking for Korean 3D and DAZ discussion forums that allow english
kwannie
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Does anyone happen to know of any discussion forums based in Korea that allow both English and Korean language. I am interested in getting DAZ compatable traditional Korean items such as buildings, clothing, characters as well as discussing questions about Korean culture aspects. I am particularly wanting to get more information about every day student life in Korea from the early 2000's until about 2012 or so. I have extended family there but I only speak a few words in Hangul. Thanks any leads would be greatly appreciated. In fact if there is anyone in this forum who was a middle school student around 2010 I would love to learn about your student experience.
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I visited in April 2001 and while I am not Korean or was a middle student then in my wandering about Seoul I know that they had multiple outdoor concerts that many middle school students dressed in school uniforms enthusiastically attended. The school uniforms were dark blue mostly with variances of blue and white plaid figurring in heavily too. You know, similar to what the DAZ 3D store has for Aiko and Hiro for school uniforms.
There was electioneering going on then and some neighborhoods had many hand painted election banners that crossed overhead the neighborhood streets.
Also, like the song MacArthur Park (I later realized after seeing it in person), old Korean men were gathered in small groups outside talking and playing chinese checkers and other games, usually in traditional clothing.
The subways were very good but are color coded to help figure out where to go if you can't read Korean. The subways can be very crowded so I always stood and gave my seat to anyone that looked as if they were my age or older or where 2 or more people there was typically an empty seat on either side of me. You know, just typical etiquette as everywhere.
LOL, before I got to Korea I was held over a long number of hours in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and so I wandered about aimlessly in the city and I was walking down a narrow sidewalk with many people standing on both sides so I had to keep a straight line and then when a very old Chinese Buddist Monk in his orange robe came walking in the direction I was leaving there was not enough room for two people to pass one another and I nearly panicked as it was like stumbling upon the Pope and forced to negociate politeness respectfulness and not being Catholic and so not knowing how to be politely respectful. However, after a bit of panick in my face I decided I would just stand aside with everybody else on that sidewalk at attention like a soldier (eg like when the Queen or President comes through a crowd) and he got a big smile out of that and me too since I didn't insult him, impeed him in any way and I didn't have to figure out further proper etiquette.
I got lost because I cannot read Korean but the people where very friendly helping me find my way back to where I was going. We would draw pictures and not use language at all so that we could both understand.
I also visited the Royal Palace compount and other places that were very fascinating too.
It was a very fun trip. You should visit on vacation.
Thank you for your detailed response Nonesuch,
I am really trying to get information about the contrast between traditional valuse and modern day attitudes in Korean schools. I read that some of the students have been bullying teachers, and younger students, yet because of traditional values the younger do not fight back. Its kind of like the school girl gangs like have been depicted in some Anime stories. I'm not sure but it seems that many of the stories may be suppressed in Korea. Anyway, I am trying to get a real perspective on some of the stories I've heard and try to depict it in Art. Albeit somewhat erie and dark art. Like I mentioned any first hand knowledge or resource leads would be great appreciated.
Perhaps all you need to do is look to K-drama to be inspired.
Actually Mattymanx,
I don't think that k-drama would be willing to capture the true nature of what is really going on or was going on during the height of the " Korean student deviance era", just use the phrase 알몸 졸업식 to search with a browser and you will be shocked what you see. Granted it is all surrounding graduation hijinks but the degree to which it has been taken in South Korea was hugely disturbing on an international level. The problem I have is being able to find information from the viewpoint of the students. Some photos show laughing, while others show unwillingness and distress. I can't tell if students are being jovial and accept as a right of passage or if they are being brutalized. That's why I am trying to find out where legitimate accounts could be discussed. I have always loved the stylings and beauty of Korea but I want learn more about the underlying reality. Most people that would know about this would be in their early 20's now I think.
Well there was a young couple, much younger than me, that did not stand up on the subway for an old married couple and after sitting there dumbfounded for a second I realized I should stand for the old married couple instead as I was also younger than they were. So maybe they just didn't think too stand for them. Same thing happened on a train ride from Vienna to Zurich on Easter. Two young men, maybe even as yound as high school age, were in a train compartment with me and a very old lady got on the train. Being about twenty years older than the two young men I waited for them to stand and offer the old lady their seat but they didn't and even started making fun of her. Lucky she couldn't hear them (I don't think) because that train compartment door was closed. Once I realized they weren't going to be offering her their seat I offered the old lady mine which she gladly accepted as it was an 8 hour train ride from Vienna to her stop. That was a very long uncomfortable 8 hours I spent standing on that train but I laugh about it now. Those were abberations though. That isn't normal behavior to treat elders like that.
I didn't find that young couple in Korea that didn't offer the elder couple their seat or the two young men traveling home to Sargans that didn't offer that old lady their seats inspiring at all. I hardly remember what those four look like but I remember the old lady and the old couple pretty well almost 20 years later.
My friend's wife (and now my friend too) was adopted from Korea and one of their daughters has gotten into learning Korean culture and she watches Korean soaps. That's your best way about modern Korean culture.
Thanks again nonesuch for the reply,
Let me clarify though, I'm seeking a bit more insight on the more recent changes in student behavior in Korea, behavior that pretty much spiked in 2010. Did you happen to see my reference to Mattymanx. Do a search on the phrase 알몸 졸업식, which translate to graduation bread. You will absolutely get why I am asking about the bullying or hazing nature of it. I can't tell if the students go alng with it because they think its fun or if it is strait up sexul assault. The being plastered with flour and eggs looks extreme but falls in line with a more or less initiation process, but tearing or cutting students clothes off in very public settings is very perplexing. It just seems so far from the Korea that I thought I knew. So, again I am trying to get a an understanding of what is driving all of it, and how to depict the actual environment from the students perspective. I am still hoping that someone that had first hand knowledge could give more insight.
Whoa, highly disturbing! I know that the desire to "not rock the boat" and to "conform" and do what one is told is very ingrained in Korean culture, so it doesn't surprise me that many students go along with that and I'm sure they believe that it would be worse for them if they don't go along with it. It's absolutely disgusting to see the brutality and humiliation they're forced into. It reminds me of the horrible "Hazing" practices that happen in the US (and probably other countries as well). It looks to be quite similar. There was a spike in hazing deaths in the US in the 2000's (scroll toward the bottom of the page). Though the "알몸 졸업식 " in South Korea looks like it has a sexual undertone with the ripping and cutting off of the clothing - which might be attributed to the fact that South Korea is still quite conservative and repressed when it comes to sexuality. Even hugging is almost too "risque" to do in public there from what I've been told.
Yeah Diva isn't that a shock?
That's why I wanted to do a project on it. I have been to Korea within the last few years so I don't think much of this is allowed anymore. The thing is, none of these incidents had to do with alcohol or actual sexual assualt (rape). That's what I can't understand about it. Do the students know what is going to happen to them on graduation day or are they ambushed? Is it the seniors threatening them or are they doing it to eachother. It looks mostly like they segregate the groups into girls and guys so the girls are only having uniforms torn off by girls and vice versa. There are a few Coed incidents. If you notice that throughout the pictures you do not see any out right nudity, they are allowed to cover the whole time. I searched high and low to try to find cell phone footage just to get an idea of how the seperate incidents unfolded but the how and why aspects are extremely illusive. Thanks again for your input
...........At least I'm glad that someone else validated the sense idignance I felt about this taking place in a Country that is so dear. How exactly would it be possible to simulate one being covered in flower?
Yeah, every country, no matter how great it is, has it's dark parts. It's particularly disturbing when it kids though. :(
I adore South Korea, but it's far from perfect.