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No HD, No Peace! Or... A little peace? I dunno...

DigitalSteamDigitalSteam Posts: 299
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Am I the only one who, now that there have been several core figures with HD included, feel like I'm being a patsy if I buy one without HD included?  

Shouldn't they all include HD now? Is there a big contingent of "Ew, HD... Icky. I don't want that!" people?

Vote! What say you!

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  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479

    I'm with you. I think the HD morph should be included, with the Pro Bundle at least. But for those few figures Daz included it, (with both bundles and the base figure,) there was an outcry like you wouldn't believe. People actually posted they refused to purchase the figures because they didn't want the HD morph!

  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,853

    I would prefer they be included, even though I don't often use them. But I'm sure as hell not going to but them seperately. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,189

    only ones I own have been included....

  • MimicMollyMimicMolly Posts: 2,322
    I like HD included.
  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I feel hd is essential to a character’s core look. Even pas include hd with their third party characters.

  • Type 0 NegativeType 0 Negative Posts: 323
    Hey Daz, put all the 7 HD Add-On's in fastgrab
  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,844
    L'Adair said:

    I'm with you. I think the HD morph should be included, with the Pro Bundle at least. But for those few figures Daz included it, (with both bundles and the base figure,) there was an outcry like you wouldn't believe. People actually posted they refused to purchase the figures because they didn't want the HD morph!

    Agreed. I never understood the reasons for the outcry, it's not like you have to dial it in if you don't want it.

  • xmasrosexmasrose Posts: 1,409

    I believe the HD should be included. I am not purchasing anymore the HD add-on for that reason (or they would have to be dirty cheap).

    Why aren't they either given free to PC+ members or become PC+ items?

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,189

    think some are concerned its replacing something else in the bundle

  • CometsComets Posts: 87

    It can replace the pose pack with the model standing, leaning, sitting. You know, the one you get in pretty much every pro bundle. wink

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,838
    Comets said:

    It can replace the pose pack with the model standing, leaning, sitting. You know, the one you get in pretty much every pro bundle. wink

    agreed ..

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,838

    I stopped buying characters that are not HD as well. I want as much detail as possible in my portrait renders. YES ...I vote for HD included

     

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    I'm also in the HD included camp. To me, the figure seems almost naked without one anymore. It should be a no-brainer.

    Laurie

  • N-RArtsN-RArts Posts: 1,606

    I had no idea that there was such backlash over HD morphs being included.

    Personally, if we're striving for realism, then I feel that HD should be included with the Pro Bundle. I'd rather pick up a pose pack seperately, rather than a HD morph.

  • glaseyeglaseye Posts: 1,312

    AFAIK, the HD add-ons are optimized for their targeted 'figure'. As such, they're probabbly not that useful for me, as I intend to tinker around (mix and match) with various shapes. Also using it means heavier on the system-resources. So while HD is no show-stopper for me, it's also not an incentive for me to buy the bundle. As such I may prefer something else in place of the HD morphs.....

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    glaseye said:

    AFAIK, the HD add-ons are optimized for their targeted 'figure'. As such, they're probabbly not that useful for me, as I intend to tinker around (mix and match) with various shapes. Also using it means heavier on the system-resources. So while HD is no show-stopper for me, it's also not an incentive for me to buy the bundle. As such I may prefer something else in place of the HD morphs.....

    Currently the Pro bundles include: The core, named figure, two characters based on the named figure, two hair products, two pose packs and four clothing products. Typically, of course. If the HD were added to that list, where you didn't "lose" anything you would normally get, and the prices remained the same… Would you have an issue with the Pro bundle including the HD Add-on?

    While the HD Add-ons are optimized for the named figure, I've been successful using them with other characters, for the most part. I do believe the starter bundles should include an "HD Add-on" that gives more definition to the feet, knees, elbows, and especially the hands. We do get separate HD morphs for the face, in Genesis 8 at least: Eye Rim Refine HD; Cheeks Dimple Crease HD, (all, left, right); Brow Compression HD; Nose Compression HD; and Mouth Realism HD. (I found these searching the installed files list for the G8F Starter Essentials.)

    Then again, I think the two base morph packs—Body Morphs and Head Mophs—should also be part of the Starter Essentials for each generation. I can't begin to count the number of new release characters I passed up because I didn't buy those morph packs when Genesis 8 Female was released. They were good, but the temptation wasn't enough to buy the character and both morph packs at one go. And as more products were released that didn't need the morphs, the desire to pick up those characters went away. From just myself, Daz lost more money than if they'd given those morph packs to me when they were released.

    And once again, I've rambled on. My apologies. I'll jump off the soapbox now... wink

     

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I use HD morphs for other characters ALL the time. It adss extra definition and can look great. Unfortunately, to see the differences you have to up the sub d, which is rather strange. but ohewll.

  • Type 0 NegativeType 0 Negative Posts: 323
    Serene Night said:

    I use HD morphs for other characters ALL the time. It adss extra definition and can look great. Unfortunately, to see the differences you have to up the sub d, which is rather strange. but ohewll.

    I didn't know this. You have to do it manually? How much? When you up the sub d do you have to turn down the mouth realisim and navel on gen 3?
  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,819
    Type 0 Negative said:
    Serene Night said:

    I use HD morphs for other characters ALL the time. It adss extra definition and can look great. Unfortunately, to see the differences you have to up the sub d, which is rather strange. but ohewll.

     

    I didn't know this. You have to do it manually? How much? When you up the sub d do you have to turn down the mouth realisim and navel on gen 3?

    At least subd 3 but 4-5 for the most obvious results.... more system resources and longer render times ensue...

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    For some reason, to notice HD you have to turn up sub d. You can turn it off for the viewport and leave it on for rendering though. I always have trouble with vein products showing, unless I ramp up the Sub d. Kinda seems odd to me that when you use HD, that isn't dialed up as well.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,088

    Morphs move the vertices of a mesh. Subd interpolates that mesh to effectively have 4x per step.

    HD morphs will move the interpolated vertices.

    So if the HD morph is trying to move out a vertex between two other vertices but subdivision is too low to add the vertex, well, nothing happens.

     

    In a way it’s like trying to view a high resolution image on a tv with lower resolution; you’re not going to see the extra detail. 

  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,983
    I like the HD morphs. If they're not included I buy it.
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    edited February 2019
    L'Adair said:

    But for those few figures Daz included it, (with both bundles and the base figure,) there was an outcry like you wouldn't believe. People actually posted they refused to purchase the figures because they didn't want the HD morph!

    I'm very involved in most of the "Official 8" figure launches and really have only seen TWO people say they wouldn't buy the figure because it includes the HD. Did I miss a thread about it where a ton of people said they refused to buy a figure if it includes HD? 

    Comparing the two people I saw say they wouldn't buy a figure because of the HD to much much more people vocal about being HAPPY that the HD is included, I don't think I've seen anything close to an "outcry like you wouldn't believe" against the release of a figure with the HD included. But again, I might have missed a thread on it, so please post the link to it if there was a huge outcry about it. It's possible that I missed it and that there was a big outcry that I just didn't see.

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    glaseye said:

    AFAIK, the HD add-ons are optimized for their targeted 'figure'. As such, they're probabbly not that useful for me, as I intend to tinker around (mix and match) with various shapes. Also using it means heavier on the system-resources. So while HD is no show-stopper for me, it's also not an incentive for me to buy the bundle. As such I may prefer something else in place of the HD morphs.....

    I use HD morphs (not Daz ones as I don't buy em) on various figures; they usually add extra realism, sometimes they don't suit the figure shape, but this is unusual.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Divamakeup said:
    L'Adair said:

    But for those few figures Daz included it, (with both bundles and the base figure,) there was an outcry like you wouldn't believe. People actually posted they refused to purchase the figures because they didn't want the HD morph!

    I'm very involved in most of the "Official 8" figure launches and really have only seen TWO people say they wouldn't buy the figure because it includes the HD. Did I miss a thread about it where a ton of people said they refused to buy a figure if it includes HD? 

    Comparing the two people I saw say they wouldn't buy a figure because of the HD to much much more people vocal about being HAPPY that the HD is included, I don't think I've seen anything close to an "outcry like you wouldn't believe" against the release of a figure with the HD included. But again, I might have missed a thread on it, so please post the link to it if there was a huge outcry about it. It's possible that I missed it and that there was a big outcry that I just didn't see.

    Oh, boy, Tracy. You want me to find those threads…? lol… I'll try. I do remember complaints on several threads; each thread was dedicated to the new figure released. I suppose it could be the same people in all the threads.

    I just remember being incredulous that people were complaining so vehemently about a free extra! It may end up being only two people that refused to buy, but they made so much "noise" I remember it as an "outcry." I mean, sheesh, if you really don't want something in a bundle, don't download it. (That's the generic "you", not any one person in particular.)

    There was a clothing item in a pro bundle for one of the guys that I didn't like at all, so I hid it in DIM and not only didn't download it, DIM isn't nagging me to, either.

    Anyway, I'll see what I can find.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I can recall one speciifc person who dislikes the HD and announces they won’t buy it even if it is free as part of a bundle offer.

     But most people I think seem to want it. I think the reason it isn't included is because its a cash grab. People will pay extra for it, so they sell it as a different product.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    edited February 2019
    L'Adair said:
    Divamakeup said:
    L'Adair said:

    But for those few figures Daz included it, (with both bundles and the base figure,) there was an outcry like you wouldn't believe. People actually posted they refused to purchase the figures because they didn't want the HD morph!

    I'm very involved in most of the "Official 8" figure launches and really have only seen TWO people say they wouldn't buy the figure because it includes the HD. Did I miss a thread about it where a ton of people said they refused to buy a figure if it includes HD? 

    Comparing the two people I saw say they wouldn't buy a figure because of the HD to much much more people vocal about being HAPPY that the HD is included, I don't think I've seen anything close to an "outcry like you wouldn't believe" against the release of a figure with the HD included. But again, I might have missed a thread on it, so please post the link to it if there was a huge outcry about it. It's possible that I missed it and that there was a big outcry that I just didn't see.

    Oh, boy, Tracy. You want me to find those threads…? lol… I'll try. I do remember complaints on several threads; each thread was dedicated to the new figure released. I suppose it could be the same people in all the threads.

    I just remember being incredulous that people were complaining so vehemently about a free extra! It may end up being only two people that refused to buy, but they made so much "noise" I remember it as an "outcry." I mean, sheesh, if you really don't want something in a bundle, don't download it. (That's the generic "you", not any one person in particular.)

    There was a clothing item in a pro bundle for one of the guys that I didn't like at all, so I hid it in DIM and not only didn't download it, DIM isn't nagging me to, either.

    Anyway, I'll see what I can find.

    hahah I do remember the two people made quite a bit of "noise" about it and posted several times about it. Like I said though, I could have just missed it if it was more than those two. 

    I remember a lot of people being pretty happy about the included HD though. :D

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,844
    Serene Night said:

    I can recall one speciifc person who dislikes the HD and announces they won’t buy it even if it is free as part of a bundle offer.

     But most people I think seem to want it. I think the reason it isn't included is because its a cash grab. People will pay extra for it, so they sell it as a different product.

    Wouldn't surprise me, I can think of lots of items in the store that come across as cash grabs, like when texture sets from the same PA that are sold seperately from the product, when scripts or plugins are figure/gender specific instead of for the single generation or all figures, etc.

    I actually see more of this from PAs than from Daz. I mean the HD morphs were incuded in 4 of the characters for G8, so it might be a different reason.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    FSMCDesigns said:
    Serene Night said:

    I can recall one speciifc person who dislikes the HD and announces they won’t buy it even if it is free as part of a bundle offer.

     But most people I think seem to want it. I think the reason it isn't included is because its a cash grab. People will pay extra for it, so they sell it as a different product.

    Wouldn't surprise me, I can think of lots of items in the store that come across as cash grabs, like when texture sets from the same PA that are sold seperately from the product, when scripts or plugins are figure/gender specific instead of for the single generation or all figures, etc.

    I actually see more of this from PAs than from Daz. I mean the HD morphs were incuded in 4 of the characters for G8, so it might be a different reason.

    I just assumed it was marketing research. If the Pro Bundles sold significantly more with the add on than without, we'd probably see the add-on become a part of the bundles. I like the option of having the HD morphs for closeups, but they're too expensive for my budget at release. I just wishlist them, and wait until the price is "stupid cheap." (Stupid Cheap means something's so cheap, I'd be stupid not to buy!)

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    It was a way to insentivize purchase of certain figures.

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