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  • It should be a good rendering unit.

    I myself went with a 1080 Ti,  I was not willing to put out 1200$ for a 2080ti but wanted 11 gb graphics ram on the card and a 1080ti fit in my budget without sacrificing other items I wanted..  I run the monitor on a 1070ti as its day to day card and save the 1080ti for rendering only.  With 32 gig of ram I want to see how it handles playing a Video game on a 1070 Ti while rendering with the 1080ti only.  

     

     

     

    I know you want to game, but if you are ever not gaming while rendering, you should use that 1070ti! That will make a big difference in your render times if both cards run. Your PC will remain usable as long as the CPU is not rendering as well. You have nothing to lose by enabling the 1070ti.

    I saw benchmarks that placed the 1070ti slightly faster than the 1080 for rendering Iray, it is a very capable card.

    I run both unless gaming.  It does indeed make a differance.  I just did not see a need to have the 1080ti power the monitor when my monitor is a 1600 x 900 monitor.   My next one will be 1920 x 1080.  I figured save the milage on the 1080 ti and VRAM overhead for rendering.

    I will be gaming, my new monitor is already ordered.  I am getting a samsung 27" curved screen , 1920 x 1080.  

    I dont really see a need for 4k, especially since I dont think most MMORPG's will benefit from it..  

    But i will be getting a second monitor, I plan on running 2, one for gaming the other to either stream, monitor daz's rendering progress, or monitor temperature/fan usage.

  • Multiple monitors are great. I have a triple setup at work, paid for by the job obv., and love it. More and more I wish I'd bought two really good 1080 p high refresh rate monitors instead of the one 4k that I did buy.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    1600 by 900! A 970 would probabably be overkill there. A 1070ti is pretty much overkill for 1080p, so nothing to worry about there. There's nothing wrong with 1080p if that's what you want.

    I went ahead and placed my 1080ti as the main driver. Its a big enough lift over the 970, though it is way overkill for 1080p gaming. One day I may go with a big 4k screen. I currently game on a 60" TV screen rather than a desk monitor. But I know I am not the normal PC player. And yes, I use Daz on my 60" screen from a couch. I bet there aren't many people who could say the same!

    But the point is you can do it as you like. There is no wrong here as long as you are happy with it.
  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,990

    It should be a good rendering unit.

    I myself went with a 1080 Ti,  I was not willing to put out 1200$ for a 2080ti but wanted 11 gb graphics ram on the card and a 1080ti fit in my budget without sacrificing other items I wanted..  I run the monitor on a 1070ti as its day to day card and save the 1080ti for rendering only.  With 32 gig of ram I want to see how it handles playing a Video game on a 1070 Ti while rendering with the 1080ti only.  

     

     

     

    I know you want to game, but if you are ever not gaming while rendering, you should use that 1070ti! That will make a big difference in your render times if both cards run. Your PC will remain usable as long as the CPU is not rendering as well. You have nothing to lose by enabling the 1070ti.

    I saw benchmarks that placed the 1070ti slightly faster than the 1080 for rendering Iray, it is a very capable card.

    I will be gaming, my new monitor is already ordered.  I am getting a samsung 27" curved screen , 1920 x 1080.  

    That sounds weird. Not enough resolution for that size, and curved too? I thought curved might only make sense in those ultra-wide screens?

  • I wish my 24's had curve... it IS noticable or say it is wonderful when they ARE curved.

     

  • It should be a good rendering unit.

    I myself went with a 1080 Ti,  I was not willing to put out 1200$ for a 2080ti but wanted 11 gb graphics ram on the card and a 1080ti fit in my budget without sacrificing other items I wanted..  I run the monitor on a 1070ti as its day to day card and save the 1080ti for rendering only.  With 32 gig of ram I want to see how it handles playing a Video game on a 1070 Ti while rendering with the 1080ti only.  

     

     

     

    I know you want to game, but if you are ever not gaming while rendering, you should use that 1070ti! That will make a big difference in your render times if both cards run. Your PC will remain usable as long as the CPU is not rendering as well. You have nothing to lose by enabling the 1070ti.

    I saw benchmarks that placed the 1070ti slightly faster than the 1080 for rendering Iray, it is a very capable card.

    I will be gaming, my new monitor is already ordered.  I am getting a samsung 27" curved screen , 1920 x 1080.  

    That sounds weird. Not enough resolution for that size, and curved too? I thought curved might only make sense in those ultra-wide screens?

    Never seen a curve on less than a1440p ultra wide but who knows there are a lot of monitors out there.

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,957
    JazzyBear said:

    I wish my 24's had curve... it IS noticable or say it is wonderful when they ARE curved.

     

    I own two of the LG 38" 4K curves. There are pros and cons to them.

    The cons - When making anything for print, eg: book covers, posters, or marketing prom material for 2d print, they do distort the work. I have an old Wacom Intuos 30 + somthing-ish tablet (the largest they sold) but because I had to look up at the monitors (cannot see work on tablet) I had to replace it with  Wacom Cintiq Pro 16" so I didn't have to deal with looking up, left and right, on my 4K monitors while designing graphics or doing Photoshop post work.  I swear to god they give you whiplash in full screen mode. I find the majority of the time, for non-animated, non-immersive work/tasks I use them in half screen mode and if you do live screen capture of your work (for tutorial/youtube  purposes) you have to be pretty inventive with output scenes and source sizes. Most Youtube videos view better in a half screen mode. Despite reports that these curved screens are easier on the eyes/neck I disagree.

    The pros. Gaming and videos or more immersive. DAZ scenes/workspace wraps nicely. Easier on the eyes when viewing fast action, movies etc (engaging viewing not scrutinizing details). It offers a more engaging experience. Great forcreating 360 HDRI's or doing post work for fish-eye camera photos.

    It depends on what you do. If you game or animate they are perfect. If you design precise graphics, comic books spreads or book covers, don't toss your flat screens because there are slight distortion issues in even the most expensive curves.

     

  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,638
    edited November 2018

    For those who don't think they can build their own pc. >>>YOUTUBE<<< Just watch the howto videos on youtube on building your own pc! My main system is just a Alienware area 51 r2 case that looks cool but the guts are homebuilt. I have just upgraded to a intel XEON 10 core 20 hyperthread processor for about $160 US and it just kills renders. Just make sure you get rid of the static electricity before touching pc parts or wear cheap rubber gloves.

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  • @ArtAngel thanks for the pros and cons... I DO detailed design and plan to live stream and make tutorials so I may end up with 1 of each!

     

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    JazzyBear said:

    @ArtAngel thanks for the pros and cons... I DO detailed design and plan to live stream and make tutorials so I may end up with 1 of each!

     

    Honestly for a design pro I'd just go with 2 monitors, which is also a good way to do streaming.

  • bk007dragonbk007dragon Posts: 113
    edited November 2018
    ArtAngel said:
    JazzyBear said:

    I wish my 24's had curve... it IS noticable or say it is wonderful when they ARE curved.

     

    I own two of the LG 38" 4K curves. There are pros and cons to them.

    The cons - When making anything for print, eg: book covers, posters, or marketing prom material for 2d print, they do distort the work. I have an old Wacom Intuos 30 + somthing-ish tablet (the largest they sold) but because I had to look up at the monitors (cannot see work on tablet) I had to replace it with  Wacom Cintiq Pro 16" so I didn't have to deal with looking up, left and right, on my 4K monitors while designing graphics or doing Photoshop post work.  I swear to god they give you whiplash in full screen mode. I find the majority of the time, for non-animated, non-immersive work/tasks I use them in half screen mode and if you do live screen capture of your work (for tutorial/youtube  purposes) you have to be pretty inventive with output scenes and source sizes. Most Youtube videos view better in a half screen mode. Despite reports that these curved screens are easier on the eyes/neck I disagree.

    The pros. Gaming and videos or more immersive. DAZ scenes/workspace wraps nicely. Easier on the eyes when viewing fast action, movies etc (engaging viewing not scrutinizing details). It offers a more engaging experience. Great forcreating 360 HDRI's or doing post work for fish-eye camera photos.

    It depends on what you do. If you game or animate they are perfect. If you design precise graphics, comic books spreads or book covers, don't toss your flat screens because there are slight distortion issues in even the most expensive curves.

     

    My plan is 1 curved and 1 flat.

     

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  • LintonLinton Posts: 543

    Hp Pavilion Laptop, Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5500U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2401 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) 8gB of RAM, operating on Windows 10

    So this is what I use to render for DAZ Studio. I can render 3 - 4 G2, G3, or G8 characters plus a room scene with multiple lights no issue. It's an HP Laptop, and I have never had an issue with it in the 3 years I have had it. Basic, out of the box laptop with no overclocking or anything upgraded, just the stats you can see above. At the time it cost me $1000.00 AUD, and has been a great laptop. I have render just under 300 images in that time to completion (many cancelled ones too), so I guess it has served me well.

    Nothing custom about it, still works well for DAZ.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918

    Okay, I just pulled the trigger. I think I need a drink. And it isn't evenlunch time. Total cost with a 10% discount was $2885. I've NEVER had a computer remotely this powerful. If all goes well, it should arrive by around Tuesday-ish.

    I want to thank everyone who chimed in. I really do.  Now, if this thing can't render, do 3D CAD work, and play some nifty games then nothing can.

     

    > CASE - NZXT H700 (White)
    > CPU COOLING - NZXT Kraken X62
    > MOTHERBOARD - ASRock X470 Taichi (Black)
    > GPU(GRAPHICS) - ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX™ 2080 AMP
    > CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3.7GHz
    > POWER SUPPLY - NZXT E850 Gold Digital PSU
    > RAM - G. Skill TridentZ RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600 MHz () (2)
    > SSD - Samsung 970 EVO 1TB
    > SSD - Samsung 860 EVO 250GB
    > HDD - Seagate Barracuda 4TB () (2)
    > EXTRA - NZXT USB Expansion
    > SERVICES - Standard
    > SOFTWARE - Microsoft Windows 10 Home

     

     

     

    ...my one suggestion.  Upgrade the OS to W10 Pro as it gives you more direct control over your system concerning MS updates and configuraiton than Home Edition allows.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918
    edited December 2018

    I built my own rig mind you not with gaming in mind. I’m not a gamer strictly 3D art but I built a very good machine that fit my needs for about $1400 dollars.

    It’s not a high power gaming rig but I love it and it handles DS and Iray well. 

    But for me and this Walmart rig like many have said I’d need more info on specs before seriously pulling the trigger on something like this.

     

    ...I did the same for about 100$ more six years ago. Currently involved in an extensive upgrade project.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918

    Multiple monitors are great. I have a triple setup at work, paid for by the job obv., and love it. More and more I wish I'd bought two really good 1080 p high refresh rate monitors instead of the one 4k that I did buy.

    ...I have a dual setup (wide screen 1080p) on my main system where I have just the viewport with the render options and scene tabs on one and the rest of the tabs I use for scene setup on the other.  Leaves me with a nice and uncluttered viewport while reducing the need to open and close tabs which helps with workflow. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918

     

    Ryzen 3 will launch next year, and could be a pretty strong improvement over Ryzen 2 if the rumors are correct. That is exciting, and such chips might have a long life. Moreover AMD has committed to using the same platform for their CPUs for a while, which makes upgrading the CPU an option. Intel tends to make whole new sockets every 2 years, and that is maddening. I would love to upgrade my CPU, but to do so I need a whole new motherboard, which IMO is ridiculous. I have pretty much decided on going AMD next time, unless Intel pulls a rabbit out of their hat. Plus AMD has been gaining a real edge in creative software. While Intel still has a lead in gaming, from a pure rendering perspective AMD is doing very well. Even though I do play games, I am willing to lose a few frames in a video game in order to be more productive. And they game well enough anyway.

     

    ...indeed and it really stifles upgrading.  As I mentioned I am in the midst of a major upgrade and the best CPU I can install is a 6 core Westmere Xeon. To ge a higher core count to match that of a Ryzen (basically Sandy Bridge generation) I would have to replace the LGA1366 MB with an LGA2011 one which is a major expense I cannot afford.

  • You'd really be better off buying a Ryzen 5 2600 and appropriate mobo rather than sticking with that Xeon platform unless you're doing strictly for budget reasons. If so don't spend anything on a CPU. No Xeon in that generation will make that much of a difference.
  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    Well folks, if the new AMD rumors are anywhere close to being accurate, you might want to wait until about May to build your big machine. Keep in mind NONE of this has been confirmed, however the info comes from 2 different sources, and one of those sources has been spot on in the past. I have been waiting to see what Ryzen 3000 might hold. If this is true, I am SOOO buying a 16 core R9. And May would be about the time I have plenty of cash saved up for a good machine. Moreover, while the AMD GPUs cannot be used for Iray, you have to consider that Nvidia still needs to compete with them. So again, if these are correct, we might see some price drops. Its been a couple days, but I haven't seen anybody post it here.

    AMD Ryzen 3000 Series Alleged Specs

    AMD Ryzen CPU Cores/Threads Base Clock Boost Clock TDP Price Debut
    Ryzen 3 3300 6/12 3.2GHz 4.0GHz 50W $99 CES
    Ryzen 3 3300X 6/12 3.5GHz 4.3GHz 65W $129 CES
    Ryzen 3 3300G 6/12 3.0GHz 3.8GHz 65W $129 Q3 2019
    Ryzen 5 3600 8/16 3.6GHz 4.4GHz 65W $178 CES
    Ryzen 5 3600X 8/16 4.0GHz 4.8GHz 95W $229 CES
    Ryzen 5 3600G 8/16 3.2GHz 4.0GHz 95W $199 Q3 2019
    Ryzen 7 3700 12/24 3.8GHz 4.6GHz 95W $299 CES
    Ryzen 7 3700X 12/24 4.2GHz 5.0GHz 105W $329 CES
    Ryzen 9 3800X 16/32 3.9GHz 4.7GHz 125W $449 CES
    Ryzen 9 3850X 16/32 4.3GHz 5.1GHz 135W $499 May 2019
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,918
    edited December 2018
    You'd really be better off buying a Ryzen 5 2600 and appropriate mobo rather than sticking with that Xeon platform unless you're doing strictly for budget reasons. If so don't spend anything on a CPU. No Xeon in that generation will make that much of a difference.

    ...yes it is budgetary resons for now as I am on a fixed income.  No point in paying for a new MB for teh same core/tread count which I already have. Yes the  AM4 socket is more "future proof" (up to the new Ryzen 3000 series mentioned above), however it also would mean moving to W10 which I have no desire to do.  Not just that there are features of W10 I don't care for but it doesn't support some of my other hardware which would mean even more expense for replacements. 

    Currently planning to network my two systems together for Carrara rendering which will give me a total of 20 cores and 54 GB of memory.

    Intel Sandy Bridge and later generations allow for more than 6 cores and if I did come into some extra cashflow I am considering a dual socket workstation board and two Xeon 10 or 12 core CPUs for Carrara rendering .as again that engine is CPU based and will take advantage of multiple CPU threads up to 100.

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  • PippenPippen Posts: 265
    We talk about the Walmart rig in another thread, assuming you are talking about the Overpowered line. Gamers Nexus posted a breakdown today, and it is BAD. The links are in that thread, but long story short, do NOT go anywhere near the Overpowered brand.

    I watched that video. OMG. Horribly built. He explained it perfectly.

  • The Beast arrived two weekends ago. There was an issue getting the 4th hard drive installed. To be more precise, it didn't show up in Device Manager and I originally thought it wasn't there at all; turns out it was, just that the BIOS wasn't set up to recognize it. I"ve gotten that fixed and now all four hard drives are recognized and in use.

     

    The bottom line - this thing screams. Its soooo fast. Really, seriously fast! I do miss the lack of an internal optical drive. From speaking with my students, they nearly all still view an optical drive as standard equipment, if only for loading up old games, adding music and movies on CD and DVD to I Tunes, and generally eliminating cable clutter. I do wish that manufacturers would recognize this and not eliminate them too quickly. 

     

    Overall, I'm very happy. I'm getting around 150 FPS on Battlefield V on moderate settings, and sometimes on higher settings. I tried playing the original Half Life and got over 200 FPS. Wow!!!! I was able to do some test renders and the 2700X/2080 combination spit ot a nice render in about 15 minutes that the old I-7 5500u/GTX 850 laptop would require several hours to do well.

     

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,185

    Congratulations.

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