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Red Dead Redemption 2 (and similar)

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  • AnotherUserNameAnotherUserName Posts: 2,727
    bluejaunte said:

    Not to mention I then accidently shot the guy, because talking to someone you can't just walk up and press X or something, you have to first target them with L2 (same as a gun), and then there's a selection of buttons like buy or sell. Awfully easy to then grace the R2 button and shoot the person right in the chest. So then I wanted to restart from last checkpoint, found no such option in the UI. Waited until the law came and shot me dead, then I got to restart from last checkpoint.

    LOL!!! Sounds horribly frustrating. Sounds like the sort of game that, back in my more immature college days, wouldve sent my controller smashing into the ground.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    I think that Rockstar was so focused on making things more real that they forget whether or not they -should- make things more real.

    But a horse riding straight into a tree is not so realistic at all. A real horse would think for itself and avoid the tree. Zelda Breath of the Wild got this right, the horse will automatically avoid trees. And if the horse runs into people so easily, that is a failure on Rockstar. I can remember a game where if you tried to kill civilians with a car, they would jump out of the way. Sometimes with super cat like reflexes, but they did this every time. And that game was made a long time ago. That game was Crazy Taxi, which released about 20 years ago.

    In fact, Sega patented how that worked (because of course). The way it works is that the car has an invisible field around it. There are two fields, a caution zone and a danger zone. When a pedestrian enters a field, they react. When they enter the danger zone they will dive out of the way. This was all done to keep Crazy Taxi rated T because you don't want kids running over pedestrians. I would imagine this can be reversed to keep a horse from hitting obstacles as well, which is what I think Nintendo does in Breath of the Wild.

    I would imagine that Rockstar could have figured out a way to do this better after 20 years, or just use Sega's patent.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,990

    Yeah good points. A horse isn't a vehicle with a steering wheel eh.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    I find mistakes like that annoying; it seems that the only measure of improvement is how it looks. I prefer better gameplay; that keeps me playing longer than any sort of 'wow' graphics.

  • AnotherUserNameAnotherUserName Posts: 2,727

    Yup, been some serious stagnation in the industry. There have been a few gems though.

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 943

    Made it all the way through the epilogs. And other than tedious horse rides, I found it quite enjoying. Even after finishing all the story and side mission markers, I was only at 86%. Honestly I don't enjoy the fishing / hunting to try for 100%. But it really is a gorgeous game.

    I do feel bad about accidently shooting the blind guy.

    AnotherUserName said:
    bluejaunte said:

    Not to mention I then accidently shot the guy, because talking to someone you can't just walk up and press X or something, you have to first target them with L2 (same as a gun), and then there's a selection of buttons like buy or sell. Awfully easy to then grace the R2 button and shoot the person right in the chest. So then I wanted to restart from last checkpoint, found no such option in the UI. Waited until the law came and shot me dead, then I got to restart from last checkpoint.

    LOL!!! Sounds horribly frustrating. Sounds like the sort of game that, back in my more immature college days, wouldve sent my controller smashing into the ground.

     

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 943

    It turns out running the horse into a tree is the player's fault. You have to be steering the horse manually (finger on the L direction ) If you're just telling the horse to go it will avoid most obstacles.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,990
    MarcCCTx said:

    It turns out running the horse into a tree is the player's fault. You have to be steering the horse manually (finger on the L direction ) If you're just telling the horse to go it will avoid most obstacles.

    Doesn't change that a horse has a brain and a desire for self preservation. I also feel this pseudo-realism of the horse falling and I'm being thrown off etc. is silly because the actual realistic thing to happen would be the horse breaking its skull or neck or at least be severly injured. But it just gets back up and off we go. Not even in GTA does this happen, cars get damaged when you crash into stuff.

    So what purpose does this serve? It's not fun, it's not realistic. And obstacle-avoiding functionality is already in there as the horse refuses to ride down even small cliffs.

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