Edited title Forum quirks

WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422
edited August 2019 in The Commons

Title edited as several forum quirks exist especially regarding search functions 

best way to do a search is Via Google 

search term site:daz3d.com 

is there a new forum policy on necrothreads even if it is updated information and new developments on old topics

for example Genesis 3 and 8 work well in Unreal Engine 4 for rendering

it is free and I have been playing with itbut none of those posts appear in recent and I cannot get feedback from others on the topic as a result

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3572326/#Comment_3572326

    this was the test post

    I guess after a time if one does not post in their art studio thread or a freebie thread etc it will now go the way of the dodo and new users will get no help searching topics and posting either 

    which means one must refrain from judging them for asking the same questions over and over on old topics as they may well have asked in a thread on the topic already

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I recently had a thread I made necroed. It was from 2012. People responded to it as well..

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795

    Well I like that as some threads discussing old topics get very long and there are better more concise techniques now.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422

    Well I like that as some threads discussing old topics get very long and there are better more concise techniques now.

    well I guess it will enable the n00bs to think they were the first to think of something cheeky

  • agent unawaresagent unawares Posts: 3,513
    th3Digit said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3572326/#Comment_3572326

    this was the test post

    I guess after a time if one does not post in their art studio thread or a freebie thread etc it will now go the way of the dodo and new users will get no help searching topics and posting either 

    which means one must refrain from judging them for asking the same questions over and over on old topics as they may well have asked in a thread on the topic already

    That's completely bizarre.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    th3Digit said:

    Well I like that as some threads discussing old topics get very long and there are better more concise techniques now.

    well I guess it will enable the n00bs to think they were the first to think of something cheeky

    Well being the 1st to think of an ideal 1st has nothing to do with getting credit for it. I had, and probably many others, an ideal to sell old recorded music on the internet in the early 1990s via customers picking and choosing their shopping cart, like K-Tel & Ronco & Time-Life records but better. At that time there was no MP3s (there were still in research then) so I was going to burn the choices to CDRom. However, I had no ideal or really a fair chance to obtain licenses to do that since I would never get a chance to even know who to talk to that held those rights. LOL, laugh let alone the money to purchase the rights were the copyright holders willing; which they were not until their recording sales plummeted. A few years later comes Napster, Apple Music Store, and now there are so many such businesses that come and go in the music business it's like commodities traders. So the 1st to come up with an ideal usually does not become rich from it or can even be identified by the experts that write books or other such media about it.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    th3Digit said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3572326/#Comment_3572326

    this was the test post

    I guess after a time if one does not post in their art studio thread or a freebie thread etc it will now go the way of the dodo and new users will get no help searching topics and posting either 

    which means one must refrain from judging them for asking the same questions over and over on old topics as they may well have asked in a thread on the topic already

    Maybe the forum has developed Alzheimer's or dementia , loosing track of stuff happens alot with age cheeky

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422
    edited April 2018

    it does not apply to my own old threads

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/612/bringing-up-daz-on-android-again-maybe-ipad-too#latest

    so it is possible it is related to the other thread's original poster

    who is still active BTW

    very odd

    update

    that thread has now been manually locked devil so I better not test any other old ones further 

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    Bumping a thread simply for the purpose of bumping it has never been allowed.   Bumps are automatically removed.  Necros are allowed as long as they are useful, necroing a thread when there is already a newer and more apt thread is somewhat pointless.  Necroing a thread for no real good reason can also confuse some who try replying to the older posts, not realising how old they are.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422
    edited April 2018
    Chohole said:

    Bumping a thread simply for the purpose of bumping it has never been allowed.   Bumps are automatically removed.  Necros are allowed as long as they are useful, necroing a thread when there is already a newer and more apt thread is somewhat pointless.  Necroing a thread for no real good reason can also confuse some who try replying to the older posts, not realising how old they are.

    so why doesn't that one by DigiDot on Unreal Engine 4 I am discussing appear in recent?

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3574741/#Comment_3574741

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  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,675

    Can I ask a noobie question here ? (even though I've been around a while). What is necroing and what are necrothreads? I understand bumping but I don't know what these terms mean. It sounds like killing off or removing threads, but I suppose only moderators can do that.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422

    Can I ask a noobie question here ? (even though I've been around a while). What is necroing and what are necrothreads? I understand bumping but I don't know what these terms mean. It sounds like killing off or removing threads, but I suppose only moderators can do that.

    is resurrection of an old thread usually 3 or more years old

    the one I was posting in was on exactly the topic I wanted and had posted in quite a bit before 

    Unreal Engine 4 had been just released free and now $12mil worth of Paragon assets added to projects for it free

    also Genesis 8 is posed correctly for retargetting so very suitable for a rendering engine

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited April 2018

    When we use the term bump it means that the thread has deliberately been posted to with no reason except to return it to the front page of the forum.  No additional input has been made, it is just to keep it in view.

    A necro thread is a thread that has been left to die, having run it's course, until someone decides to ressurect it. If the ressurection or necro is to add further info or to ask further questions on a point in the thread, then the necro can be useful  However if there are newer threads, with newer and more pertninent info then the necro is pointless and can be confusing and annoying.

    BTW we may remove posts and threads sometimes but we do not kill them off.  We actually move them rather than remove them.  We hide them behind the curtains, or sweep them under the carpet, or dump them with the packing cases down in the basement.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422
    edited April 2018
    Chohole said:

    When we use the term bump it means that the thread has deliberately been posted to with no reason except to return it to the front page of the forum.  No additional input has been made, it is just to keep it in view.

    A necro thread is a thread that has been left to die, having run it's course, until someone decides to ressurect it. If the ressurection or necro is to add further info or to ask further questions on a point in the thread, then the necro can be useful  However if there are newer threads, with newer and more pertninent info then the necro is pointless and can be confusing and annoying.

    BTW we may remove posts and threads sometimes but we do not kill them off.  We actually move them rather than remove them.  We hide them behind the curtains, or sweep them under the carpet, or dump them with the packing cases down in the basement.

    can you please point me to a newer thread on UE4 then or do I need to start one?

    I had originally posted in the Carrara forum free software that makes life easier thread but since this actually involves DAZ studio and Genesis 3 and 8 I thought it more appropriate to post there

     

    since DAZ are now actually selling game licenses for individual items I actually thought it was a market they were interested in exploiting and really should have warranted an actual game developers forum like there used to be, then it would be simpler to know where to look and get feedback.

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    is there a necro thread for soft body physics and the old pc hodded cloaks? smiley

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited April 2018
    th3Digit said:
    Chohole said:

    When we use the term bump it means that the thread has deliberately been posted to with no reason except to return it to the front page of the forum.  No additional input has been made, it is just to keep it in view.

    A necro thread is a thread that has been left to die, having run it's course, until someone decides to ressurect it. If the ressurection or necro is to add further info or to ask further questions on a point in the thread, then the necro can be useful  However if there are newer threads, with newer and more pertninent info then the necro is pointless and can be confusing and annoying.

    BTW we may remove posts and threads sometimes but we do not kill them off.  We actually move them rather than remove them.  We hide them behind the curtains, or sweep them under the carpet, or dump them with the packing cases down in the basement.

    can you please point me to a newer thread on UE4 then or do I need to start one?

    snip

    Well I suppose you could possibly read this one   https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/2336171/#Comment_2336171

    or even maybe this one    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3574741/#Comment_3574741  if you need any more info 

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422
    edited April 2018
    Chohole said:
    th3Digit said:
    Chohole said:

    When we use the term bump it means that the thread has deliberately been posted to with no reason except to return it to the front page of the forum.  No additional input has been made, it is just to keep it in view.

    A necro thread is a thread that has been left to die, having run it's course, until someone decides to ressurect it. If the ressurection or necro is to add further info or to ask further questions on a point in the thread, then the necro can be useful  However if there are newer threads, with newer and more pertninent info then the necro is pointless and can be confusing and annoying.

    BTW we may remove posts and threads sometimes but we do not kill them off.  We actually move them rather than remove them.  We hide them behind the curtains, or sweep them under the carpet, or dump them with the packing cases down in the basement.

    can you please point me to a newer thread on UE4 then or do I need to start one?

    snip

    Well I suppose you could possibly read this one   https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/2336171/#Comment_2336171

    or even maybe this one    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3574741/#Comment_3574741  if you need any more info 

    the second one is the one I was posting in that does not update in the forum

    or rather didn't I see it now is on page 2 until today it was not doing that hence this thread as no idea how many others were not also which is why so many posts go unanswered as I actually try not to start new threads.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422
    edited August 2019

    I had this happen again with the Jaderail is looking down on the stupid thread

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/4808056/#Comment_4808056

    was not an important thread as an off topic one but it basically means any newcomers posting in old threads will not get replies as they don’t appear on the latest recent discussions  search so all those admonishing people for not searching a topic should bear this in mind

    I am bringing this up as I saw a newish user again told by someone that a topic has been discussed before and they should search.

     

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  • RobinsonRobinson Posts: 751
    Chohole said:

    necroing a thread when there is already a newer and more apt thread is somewhat pointless.

    It may be but there are limits to the Human capacity to search (not really helped by the available tools, which are improving but still).  I usually search and if I can't find something, perhaps my own fault, I'll make a new post about it.  Richard will then usually point me towards the correct thread!  It's just a fact of life really.  One is more familiair with the daily traffic than another.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422
    edited August 2019
    Robinson said:
    Chohole said:

    necroing a thread when there is already a newer and more apt thread is somewhat pointless.

    It may be but there are limits to the Human capacity to search (not really helped by the available tools, which are improving but still).  I usually search and if I can't find something, perhaps my own fault, I'll make a new post about it.  Richard will then usually point me towards the correct thread!  It's just a fact of life really.  One is more familiair with the daily traffic than another.

    Try this in Google

    your topic plus site:daz3d.com

    yes forum search is really bad especially since there is an off topic complaint thread in the commons that is perpetual  with people constantly quoting everything previous posters have posted filling pages of forum search on any key words

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    yes forum search is really bad especially since there is an off topic complaint thread in the commons that is perpetual  with people constantly quoting everything previous posters have posted filling pages of forum search on any key words

    I often edit/reduce the quotes I do and highlight just the part I'm responding to, similar to the one right above.  Mostly for readability and not so much to help search function...because I'm just a tiny minority of posters on the off-topic thread, and therefore I know that me alone won't make a huge difference to search.  But even so, editing and highlighting always requires more time.  Time that I don't always have for stuff like that.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,422
    edited August 2019

    You will see the effects of people quoting quotes quoted by others quoting quotes adnauseum pretty quickly making any forum software search even though it appears truncated in the quotes, I use Google site search for that reason.

    Again not having a go at anyone, just another function of the forum software.

    The German thread was worse and they stopped doing what they were doing as it caused so much chaos duplicating everything in German, again not their fault just what the software did.

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