THANKS Daz, new direction- Alexandra 8

Thanks Daz, I was blown away by the new character Alexandra 8. It was nice to see a new character rather than a version 8 of something we already have. Could we see more of this? Rather than having a Mei Lin 8 ( which I would Very much like) lets have a South Asian character or maybe a Vietnamese character. Maybe a mature Japanese character. Or a Thai lady. There is SO many places you can take us that we haven't already gone, the possibilities blow my mind. All the clothes we don't have yet and buildings we could use. WOW! Anyone else have a wishlist of some new places Daz can take us? P.S. BTW take a look at some of the cool renders others have made of Alexandra 8.

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 12,058

    I agree, Alexandra 8 is a jewel! She's great and I'm very happy with her! :) 

  • Isn't there an Aging Morphs package that can do pretty much the same thing already?

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019

    No, the aging pack doesn't give you the aged skin, for one, and it can only take a character to a certain degree, meaning all the age signs will be the same, each wrinkle, etc. if you want variation in age, a custom sculpted character with its own wrinkles and its own aged skin set is preferable. Though I dearly love the age sets, that allow me to age my characters, they will only get me so far.

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,955
    edited February 2018

    Isn't there an Aging Morphs package that can do pretty much the same thing already?

    Yes.. without question I create" Middle aged" Characters all of the time for my animations using Genesis2
    With aged skin and morphs
    all is possible for those willing to make the effort.wink

     

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  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019

    Yes, but I bet you that each ladie you dialled has the same set of wrinkles (shapewise) if you use the same type of morph from the age set. At least, that's what it's doing in my characters, which is why I prefer to throw in a custom shaped aged character into the deal on top.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,484

    The more variety, the better. Less is not more. More is more (at least in broadening the possibilities of character creation).

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 12,058
    edited February 2018
    wolf359 said:

    Isn't there an Aging Morphs package that can do pretty much the same thing already?

    Yes.. without question I create" Middle aged" Characters all of the time for my animations using Genesis2
    With aged skin and morphs
    all is possible for those willing to make the effort.wink

     

    Yeah, sorry, but she doesn't look anywhere as realistically aged as Alexandra 8 does, imo. 

    Also, I doubt the age morphs add things like saggy neck skin, looser knee skin, etc. 

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  • How many varieties of aging does Alexandra 8 povide? Sure you can throw in a little of this figure and that figure to make them each a different person/ethnicity, but every wrinkle in the same place there as well, I assume?

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,737
    edited February 2018
    BeeMKay said:

    Yes, but I bet you that each ladie you dialled has the same set of wrinkles (shapewise) if you use the same type of morph from the age set. At least, that's what it's doing in my characters, which is why I prefer to throw in a custom shaped aged character into the deal on top.

    Exactly.  I love Zev's morphs, and they're capable of some really subtle work, like this one of mine for G3F

     

    but there's only so much you can do without good older textures and any new morphs are always greatly appreciated.  Alexandra and her add ons are giving us a whole new bunch of both, so yay!

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,737

    How many varieties of aging does Alexandra 8 povide? Sure you can throw in a little of this figure and that figure to make them each a different person/ethnicity, but every wrinkle in the same place there as well, I assume?

    You can also swap skins between the various characters or dial the characters in at lower levels and then add other morphs. I have around 30 really good old age or weather skins I regularly use for the various generations of DAZ female and swap them around using Cayman Studios legacy UV sets and NGS Annagenesis 2, but I can always use more. :)       

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,863

    I saw in the commercial section there is a bodybuilder product coming up called Ronan by Herschel Hoffmeyer that is very subtlely and convincingly middle-aged, although I don't hazard to guess 30s, 40s, or 50s for the character; there is a reason why people say young, middled-aged, or old and don't guess a specific age after all. Also, the product is pretty much all or nothing, you can't dial in the subtle signs of age in the face I saw or maybe you can? I should ask.

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,642
    xyer0 said:

    The more variety, the better. Less is not more. More is more (at least in broadening the possibilities of character creation).

    Well said. I'm really hoping we get a Thai character or possibly Japanese or Korean or South Asian next. Daz has really been shaking things up with the New Generation 8 line.
  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037
    wolf359 said:
     

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    Cybersox said:
    BeeMKay said:

    Yes, but I bet you that each ladie you dialled has the same set of wrinkles (shapewise) if you use the same type of morph from the age set. At least, that's what it's doing in my characters, which is why I prefer to throw in a custom shaped aged character into the deal on top.

    Exactly.  I love Zev's morphs, and they're capable of some really subtle work, like this one of mine for G3F

    ...belong in the celebrity thread, as figures of Barbra Streisand and Roseanne Barr

    devil

  • EJWorksEJWorks Posts: 483

    I like the Alexandra bundle, but I would have loved it if Daz had picked a theme for her and stuck with it! Most of the bundle was nice 1940's 50's or what you'd expect from a moden older woman. I did not like the fantasy/greek stuff. Although I know there were others excited by the fantasy elderly lady possibilities.

    I'd love for Daz to come out with Korean themed character sets, male and female. Have some traditional clothing (hanboks) and hair styles as well as get some inspiration from the Kpop scene and Korean dramas. The pictures below are just a few examples. I'd love a greater exploration of South East Asia, as the examples you listed. But with the Genesis 8 figures I'm also hoping they will come out with another Kimo and Kalea that really is a better look at Hawaii and some of the other Pacific islands.

     

    tsarist said:
    Thanks Daz, I was blown away by the new character Alexandra 8. It was nice to see a new character rather than a version 8 of something we already have. Could we see more of this? Rather than having a Mei Lin 8 ( which I would Very much like) lets have a South Asian character or maybe a Vietnamese character. Maybe a mature Japanese character. Or a Thai lady. There is SO many places you can take us that we haven't already gone, the possibilities blow my mind. All the clothes we don't have yet and buildings we could use. WOW! Anyone else have a wishlist of some new places Daz can take us? P.S. BTW take a look at some of the cool renders others have made of Alexandra 8.

     

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 12,058
    EJWorks said:

    I like the Alexandra bundle, but I would have loved it if Daz had picked a theme for her and stuck with it! Most of the bundle was nice 1940's 50's or what you'd expect from a moden older woman. I did not like the fantasy/greek stuff. Although I know there were others excited by the fantasy elderly lady possibilities.

    I'd love for Daz to come out with Korean themed character sets, male and female. Have some traditional clothing (hanboks) and hair styles as well as get some inspiration from the Kpop scene and Korean dramas. The pictures below are just a few examples. I'd love a greater exploration of South East Asia, as the examples you listed. But with the Genesis 8 figures I'm also hoping they will come out with another Kimo and Kalea that really is a better look at Hawaii and some of the other Pacific islands.

     

    tsarist said:
    Thanks Daz, I was blown away by the new character Alexandra 8. It was nice to see a new character rather than a version 8 of something we already have. Could we see more of this? Rather than having a Mei Lin 8 ( which I would Very much like) lets have a South Asian character or maybe a Vietnamese character. Maybe a mature Japanese character. Or a Thai lady. There is SO many places you can take us that we haven't already gone, the possibilities blow my mind. All the clothes we don't have yet and buildings we could use. WOW! Anyone else have a wishlist of some new places Daz can take us? P.S. BTW take a look at some of the cool renders others have made of Alexandra 8.

     

    Haveing a bundle as an only "THIS" type of theme is a huge risk, I would think -as tastes very pretty drastically. If your bundle is ONLY sci-fi, or ONLY fantasy, or ONLY 40's style, you run the risk of alienating people who don't render those types of things. By providing a variety of things they are more likely to reach a wider customer base and get better sales. 

  • Agreed with Divamakeup, the more specific all the products in a bundle like this are, the more risk of having more people not have any items they like in it.

  • TynkereTynkere Posts: 834

    Alexandra looks terrific and better than cloned mannequins: "Pin-Up Trica" who looks like "Sexy Danielle" who looks like "Sex Kitten Evana" who looks almost exactly like sexy... Repeat ad nauseam.

    So step in the right direction imo!  yes

    Would get Alexandra, but that's $22.00 + $12.00 for hair = around $34 after tax.  No wardrobe is the problem for me at least.

    40-50 y.o. is going to wear leggy business skirt, tight pant suit, or Xena Warrior Queen outfit?

    Technical problem with autofit?  PAs don't visit the local school, grocery store, mini-mart, park, or any place people just have on regular clothes?

    Looks like they had plenty of loose fitting everyday casual clothes for V4/M4 and then pretty much stopped after G2.

    That's got some of us who are learning, a bit stumped.  Example: here's quick & dirty I did for Valentines (obviously) G3F aging morph & "Old Chap"

    He's going to be wearing skin tight spandex around his bottom?

    And of course loose jerseys *always* cling perfectly to bustline...

    So why spend any time with this scene when it looks stupid from the get go because of the clothes?

    Where do you get (explicative) clothes people wear in real life? 

    Sorry if that sounds a bit like a clothing rant, but my point is that they aren't going to make as much money for Alexandra if they limit what people can have her wearing. 

    I hope I'm mistaken, and experienced users here can help me out regards 'everyday' baggy clothes then!  : )

    So back to original question.

    Tight clothes (regardless of genre or time period) because PAs think that's the fashion, or it's a technical issue with auto-fit?

    Thanks for reading

    --Bruce

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,082

    @Tynkere "No wardrobe is the problem for me at least."

    Have you never searched the Daz store? If you search for Genre=Comtempory, Figure =Genesis 23 Female or Genesis 8 Female, there are over a thousand items. Not all will be clothes but there are enough choices.

    "40-50 y.o. is going to wear leggy business skirt," > You must live in a sparesely populated area or not get out often. 

    Here are a few examples. You can do some of the work yourself.

    https://www.daz3d.com/shirt-dress-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-little-red-dress-for-genesis-8-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/cold-weather-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

  • fastbike1 said:

    @Tynkere "No wardrobe is the problem for me at least."

    Have you never searched the Daz store? If you search for Genre=Comtempory, Figure =Genesis 23 Female or Genesis 8 Female, there are over a thousand items. Not all will be clothes but there are enough choices.

    "40-50 y.o. is going to wear leggy business skirt," > You must live in a sparesely populated area or not get out often. 

    Here are a few examples. You can do some of the work yourself.

    https://www.daz3d.com/shirt-dress-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-little-red-dress-for-genesis-8-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/cold-weather-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

    here in Tasmania I see a lot of women this age wearing mini skirts, high heel boots, revealing tops, short shorts, tights pretty much the same as teenagers and young adults

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Tynkere said:

    Alexandra looks terrific and better than cloned mannequins: "Pin-Up Trica" who looks like "Sexy Danielle" who looks like "Sex Kitten Evana" who looks almost exactly like sexy... Repeat ad nauseam.

    So step in the right direction imo!  yes

    Would get Alexandra, but that's $22.00 + $12.00 for hair = around $34 after tax.  No wardrobe is the problem for me at least.

    40-50 y.o. is going to wear leggy business skirt, tight pant suit, or Xena Warrior Queen outfit?

    Technical problem with autofit?  PAs don't visit the local school, grocery store, mini-mart, park, or any place people just have on regular clothes?

    Looks like they had plenty of loose fitting everyday casual clothes for V4/M4 and then pretty much stopped after G2.

    That's got some of us who are learning, a bit stumped.  Example: here's quick & dirty I did for Valentines (obviously) G3F aging morph & "Old Chap"

    He's going to be wearing skin tight spandex around his bottom?

    And of course loose jerseys *always* cling perfectly to bustline...

    So why spend any time with this scene when it looks stupid from the get go because of the clothes?

    Where do you get (explicative) clothes people wear in real life? 

    Sorry if that sounds a bit like a clothing rant, but my point is that they aren't going to make as much money for Alexandra if they limit what people can have her wearing. 

    I hope I'm mistaken, and experienced users here can help me out regards 'everyday' baggy clothes then!  : )

    So back to original question.

    Tight clothes (regardless of genre or time period) because PAs think that's the fashion, or it's a technical issue with auto-fit?

    Thanks for reading

    --Bruce

    There we go again, presuming once someone gets above a certain age they wont (or perhaps shouldn't) wear a particular type of clothing. I saw a news article recently that was reporting someone saying the over 50s shouldn't be allowed to wear jeans. Prejudice about age, is still prejudice.

    Please Daz mods this comment is relavant to this thread and what is being discussed. I am happy to ammend if asked though.

  • If an outfit is clinging to the shape and tucking itself into folds in a phsically implausible way try using dForce on it. Not every outfit will work (with an acceptable investment of time) but if you are lucky it should greatly improve the look.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    As someone in that age group, one doesn't start dressing like granny just because they turn 40 or 50...lol. I suppose some do, but not all for sure :P

    Laurie

  • @nicstt and @Allenart fully agree with you two too as I mentioned plenty of older women do wear this clothing as well as young adults and teens. My mother loves boots and high heels and she doesn't like what is considered old people should wear she's 68 this year btw

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 8,072
    edited February 2018

    Unfortunately, there is a lack of age and roughness with the hands of the old folks,  that don't match the faces. 

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  • AllenArt said:

    As someone in that age group, one doesn't start dressing like granny just because they turn 40 or 50...lol. I suppose some do, but not all for sure :P

    Laurie

    Guess it's time to pack up my skinny jeans and Harley boots because I'm turning 45 this year.  Gotta start shopping for an old-age home.

  • TynkereTynkere Posts: 834
    edited February 2018

    @ Fastbike

    I've done my homework sir.  Please do elaborate on your findings about any correllation between population density and attire.  Of course the term "get out much" would also need to be defined for inferential statistics.  Let's set alpha at P < .10 to disprove the null.

    @ everyone else

    While I appreciate the replies, I'm not sure some of them address my question which was,

    “Where are baggy clothes for characters like Old Chap and Alexandra?”

    I respectfully take exception to any hints I’m engaged in age discrimination or predjudice of any kind.

    Please quote my post where I said,  “Old people cannot and should not wear tight clothing.”

    Sorry, but you won't find it because it isn't there.

    In fact, we might actually be in agreement!

    Age is irrelevant.  I mean do you honestly think people work in the garden wearing skin tight leggings or hot pants?  Not that I’ve seen in 50+ years on the planet.  (Well maybe 40+  Don’t remember much as a tot. cheeky)

    So maybe wardrobe for Alexandra depends on where you live or what line of work you’re in.

    I’m semi-retired, so had a good chuckle at a comment by a younger person in the following article at The Guardian.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/16/parents-killed-it-facebook-losing-teenage-users?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=264527&subid=23926255&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

    If 30 to 40 y.o. is “middle aged” and 50 and above is “old” -- gods!  They’ve put me out to pasture!  Glue factory!  Run away! 

    On a more serious note, maybe store products simply reflect fashion trends?  When was V4/M4 released?  Follow that through G2.  If styles change that will probably be reflected at the store.  It's not just DAZ.  Noticed it with Poser as well.

    Some of 'real life' products do seem to ignore reality imo.  But that might depend on where you live, and what line of work you're in.

    Employee Dress Codes:

    I crunch numbers for clinical trials of new medicines when they have a study that comes up.

    That's big pharma giving the contract, and MDs doing the research.  Everything in something like that is understandably very strict-- dress code included.

    Medical side wears scrubs of course. MDs wear business attire under their white doctor coats. For the ladies--  regardless of age-- that’s usually loose slacks & flats.  Since 2008, I just haven’t seen any women doctors wearing spike heels and mini-skirts.  If they do wear skirts-- usually below the knee.  (Maybe doctor attire is conservative-- don't know.)

    Other side of the building, office workers like me must wear dress pants, business shirt & a tie. Dress code for ladies is something along the lines of, “no revealing short skirts” (whatever that means— mini I guess)  “no blouses or tops with suggestive or plunging necklines. No tank-tops or tube-tops.  No sandals.”  That's not me playing fashion police.  That's just policy as set by HR or the company.

    Off the Clock:
    Casual clothes might depend on climate. I live in a place with very high humidity & temp.  Can easily get to a heat index of  more than 38C.

    Based on observation, people strolling around the park, filling up at the pump, etc., tend to wear baggy “campers” style shorts & sandals. Tank tops and tees are popular, but again, they’re almost always oversized.

    I found no significant correlation between age and any particular style of clothing.

    One finding did stand out.  If someone looks like they might wear a “small” t-shirt for example, chances are he or she will be wearing an oversized large one.  Maybe in a hot climate people prefer loose clothing?   Don't know.

    Anyway, this has been long, so better wrap it up.  I’m glad DAZ has released a character like Alexandra.

    Very encouraging to read that if I did’t do a good job of writing, and I came off as “Old folks shouldn't’t do this” Memebers here called me out on it.  

    Good for you!  yes

    Thanks for reading

    --Bruce

    PS:  @ Richard

    Sage advice as always.  More and more clothing seems geared towards d-force, so up to me to start learning it.  Thank you.

     

     

     

     

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited February 2018

    You're probably not going to find too many "regular"clothes I'm afraid. Vendors have claimed time and time again that they "don't sell". There used to be a vendor who did make regular clothes (and I bought most of them), but they are long gone now. No one has really stepped in to fill the gap. You could try checking out Wilmap's site tho....she makes normal clothing in a 3D world of fantasy and fetish wear ;). I've also heard a lot of her clothing works well with dforce, though I personally can't vouch for this at the moment.

    Laurie

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,863

    Unfortunately, there is a lack of age and roughness with the hands of the old folks,  that don't match the faces. 

    My hands have looked like an old man's since I was a teenager and much older people's looked younger. That is too much related to work and sun exposure and most people don't to the sort of art physical labor almost everybody used to do in preceding generations.

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