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Hurdy3DHurdy3D Posts: 1,076
in The Commons

Hi,

after I have just a ATI CPU wich does not pell well with iray renderings I found a iray cloud server which works with DAZ3D:
migenius.com (write an E-Mail for the register link).

The prices are not cheap:

1 x Tesla K40 (ng4) $1.10/hr

1 x Tesla M40 (ng7) $2.03/hr

2 x Tesla K80 (ngd5) $5.50/hr

4 x Tesla M40 (ngq7) $7.60/hr

DGX-1 (ngo8)  $29.70/hr

The main issue is that you pay as long the server is online. That means  you will pay for uploading the scene (which may take some time) to the server.

I want to ask if there other iray cloud server provider with better conditions?

I don't own an iray cloud licene (it's not availibe in my country), so I'm searching cloud services which includes the licence.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,273

    You don't need an Iray Server license, that is the responsibility of the people running the machine(s) on which the rendering is done.

  • Hurdy3DHurdy3D Posts: 1,076
    edited February 2018
    Richard Haseltine said:

    You don't need an Iray Server license, that is the responsibility of the people running the machine(s) on which the rendering is done.

    I never mentioned something different :)

    I meant to say that I can't make my own self hosted iray server because I can't buy the licence.

    Post edited by Hurdy3D on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,910
    edited February 2018
    ...indeed, it would be nice to network the two systems I have to throw 20 CPU cores and 56 GB of memory at Iray as GPU cards have become stupid expensive.
    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited February 2018

    Jack Tomalin has a Iray server working I will drop him a message for you.

    Post edited by Szark on
  • hadeletlakhalomhadeletlakhalom Posts: 29

    Who is Jack Tomalin and can you drop him a message for me too lol!

  • drzapdrzap Posts: 795

    Until I have my own renderstation, I am using these guys.  In fact, I'm using them right now.  If you are cool with using remote desktop and installing your own software, the price is very reasonable.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634

    done

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    hadeletlakhalom said:

    Who is Jack Tomalin

    https://www.daz3d.com/jack-tomalin

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,910
    drzap said:

    Until I have my own renderstation, I am using these guys.  In fact, I'm using them right now.  If you are cool with using remote desktop and installing your own software, the price is very reasonable.

    ...so how much on average does a single render job cost?  Those weekly prices seem more geared towards pro studios that do animations.

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,142
    edited February 2018
    drzap said:

    Until I have my own renderstation, I am using these guys.  In fact, I'm using them right now.  If you are cool with using remote desktop and installing your own software, the price is very reasonable.

    Thanks for the info stger abd Drzap,  I have not seen these sites before!   Hmmm... at these prices it looks like it would not take me long to save up for my own renderstation, if I am figuring it right..... Ultra Render looks to be a much better deal,  then migenius, particularly if you pay for the upload/download time with the latter.

    I tend to like to start and stop and tweak a lot during renders, but I guess you could do a fair number of renders in 24 hours (at $95/hr) with four 1080ti if the renders were already set up and optimized the way you wanted them, and all you were doing was the final 'high quality" finish render.

    Be very interested to hear more about your experiences using Ultra Render.  It is always good to have options.

    Post edited by Greymom on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,910

    ...crikey at 95$ an hour?  That's more than I charged when I was consulting in the multi media industry back in the 90s.

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,142
    edited February 2018

    Ok, I figure that using migenious for 20 days of rendering would be the same cost as four 1080ti (at the old pre-scalper prices. the nice liquid-cooled EVGA model that I would like).  Ultra Render would be 38 days.

    Just to put things in perspective.   If I have figured this wrong, please let me know.  It is harder for me to count on my fingers these days  : )

    In comparison, if you puchased 3 IRAY licenses per year, so that you could run IRAY renders on four total computers, that's about the same cost as buying one 1080ti per year (again at the pre-scalper prices).

    Post edited by Greymom on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,910
    edited February 2018

    ...but wouldn't you have to programme your own plugin and batch process for Daz?

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • drzapdrzap Posts: 795
    edited February 2018
    kyoto kid said:
    drzap said:

    Until I have my own renderstation, I am using these guys.  In fact, I'm using them right now.  If you are cool with using remote desktop and installing your own software, the price is very reasonable.

    ...so how much on average does a single render job cost?  Those weekly prices seem more geared towards pro studios that do animations.

    You can rent a workstation for as cheap as $70 per day  (4x GTX1070) or $120 for 8 x 1070.  You have to install your own software and run your own jobs but that is probably the only way you can do this and keep within Daz3D's licencing.  You control the computer by remote desktop and nobody else touches it.  This is ideal for batch rendering a bunch of files either for professional or private use.  I'm using the 8 x 1080ti station.  For best results, you should use a render manager like Deadline or in the case of Daz renders, a batch render plugin.  Basically, anything you can install on your own computer, you can install on the renderstation.

    This is the way to go.  I learned early on that the most valuable thing we have is time.  There are only 24 hours in a day and we can't buy more, but that doesn't mean we can't buy our time back.  Money is just paper.  Any opportunity I have to buy back time, I will take it.  When I'm done rendering, I will write a review of their services.

    Post edited by drzap on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,273
    edited February 2018
    kyoto kid said:

    ...but wouldn't you have to programme your own plugin and batch process for Daz?

    No, as far as I know DS is set up to use Iray Server render farms - which is why  find the idea that some of them won't support it odd.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,910

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,273
    kyoto kid said:

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

    Then you'd set up Iray Server (whatever that involves) and enter the details into the Bridge subtab of the Advanced tab of Render Settings. It looks to need the server name (URL prsumably, whether on the local network or the Internet), the username, and the password plus a secure check box and port number.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    drzap said:

    Until I have my own renderstation, I am using these guys.  In fact, I'm using them right now.  If you are cool with using remote desktop and installing your own software, the price is very reasonable.

    Thats a great find DrZap  thanks for the info. I really checked em out. I have my own cheapo home render farm version. nothing special thats for sure.   

    I see these guys can do RIB, batch rendering under the weekly service subscription charge. & using the service rent node. .. Have you used them for batch rendering for any animation projects? How was the results pretty good?   I'm in the USA and these guys are in Poland.  So I would expect having to send & request internet transfer calls for batch rendering would not have any advantages for me.   that is why I asked if you tried their rent node. for batch rendering and how efficient it was in your location? I was just curious

     

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    kyoto kid said:

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

    you can do like I did . I run windows 7 pro.   I got a external 6 slot PCI express Alienware Graphic Amplifier Box, I put 2- 980ti 12 gigs GPU in , it runs on windows7 pro desktop using the MS visual-basics download and install a MS server RUN  ASP.NET run the commands for C+++   with the included instructions in the kit to stack your graphic cards GPU cores and Vram. It took a little while to set up and some help from someone I knew that was good at setting up servers for crypto-mining

    But it turned 12gigs SLi  of vram into 18gigs of useabel of vrams. I can't say I notice if it sped up the renders any more . But i can build much larger scenes now with out BSOD because I maxed out my GPU .  One thing which we have done recently was get a cheaper dedicated gtx980SC 4 gig card just for the dual monitors display. so we did not have to do a loop back for the display. Render farm Lite  - no render farm GPU license required,

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,142

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    By: NVIDIA

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    Darn, and I wanted two packs.....

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,910
    Richard Haseltine said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

    Then you'd set up Iray Server (whatever that involves) and enter the details into the Bridge subtab of the Advanced tab of Render Settings. It looks to need the server name (URL prsumably, whether on the local network or the Internet), the username, and the password plus a secure check box and port number.

    ...but the only plugins I see for that are for the expensive pro software.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,910
    Ivy said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

    you can do like I did . I run windows 7 pro.   I got a external 6 slot PCI express Alienware Graphic Amplifier Box, I put 2- 980ti 12 gigs GPU in , it runs on windows7 pro desktop using the MS visual-basics download and install a MS server RUN  ASP.NET run the commands for C+++   with the included instructions in the kit to stack your graphic cards GPU cores and Vram. It took a little while to set up and some help from someone I knew that was good at setting up servers for crypto-mining

    But it turned 12gigs SLi  of vram into 18gigs of useabel of vrams. I can't say I notice if it sped up the renders any more . But i can build much larger scenes now with out BSOD because I maxed out my GPU .  One thing which we have done recently was get a cheaper dedicated gtx980SC 4 gig card just for the dual monitors display. so we did not have to do a loop back for the display. Render farm Lite  - no render farm GPU license required,

    ...VRAM doesn't stack for rendering purposes. If you have two 11 GB cards all you get is 11 GB.  You do get the benefit of double the cores but that is it.

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,616

    https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/design-visualization/documents/iray-plugin-faq-sheet-20171120-r5-lr-FINAL.pdf

    This comes from the changes last November, nVidia no longer sell the Plugins or the Server. They've off-loaded the sales and support to third parties.

    Migenius got the Iray for Rhino plugin and the Iray Server. No wonder they were first to market with this service!

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,273
    kyoto kid said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

    Then you'd set up Iray Server (whatever that involves) and enter the details into the Bridge subtab of the Advanced tab of Render Settings. It looks to need the server name (URL prsumably, whether on the local network or the Internet), the username, and the password plus a secure check box and port number.

    ...but the only plugins I see for that are for the expensive pro software.

    As far as I am aware all you need is the log-in details for the iray Server and you enter them in DS, no additional plug-ins required. We were told, when tablets were being discussed, that some of the devs use DS on Surface Pro tablets and then use this feature to pass their renders off to Iray on a server (though I think one at Daz, not a remote site).

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634

    Richard is correct no additional plug-ins required. I know because I use Jack's server for long winded renders on my PC. Hour and a half on my rig, 2-3 mins on his server. 

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited February 2018
    kyoto kid said:
    Ivy said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

    you can do like I did . I run windows 7 pro.   I got a external 6 slot PCI express Alienware Graphic Amplifier Box, I put 2- 980ti 12 gigs GPU in , it runs on windows7 pro desktop using the MS visual-basics download and install a MS server RUN  ASP.NET run the commands for C+++   with the included instructions in the kit to stack your graphic cards GPU cores and Vram. It took a little while to set up and some help from someone I knew that was good at setting up servers for crypto-mining

    But it turned 12gigs SLi  of vram into 18gigs of useabel of vrams. I can't say I notice if it sped up the renders any more . But i can build much larger scenes now with out BSOD because I maxed out my GPU .  One thing which we have done recently was get a cheaper dedicated gtx980SC 4 gig card just for the dual monitors display. so we did not have to do a loop back for the display. Render farm Lite  - no render farm GPU license required,

    ...VRAM doesn't stack for rendering purposes. If you have two 11 GB cards all you get is 11 GB.  You do get the benefit of double the cores but that is it.

    Really then you better tell my system that..lol  Yes gpu will stacks vram in a graphic amplifier and running it in a windows server.  do the research thats what they are made for .. lap tops, desktops and and lesser devices that need GPU &  vram Boost

    Edit: I should have mention the only reason I'm not getting the whole 24 gigs vram is because I have no independent ram chips set in the gpu box yet, this is a fairly new set up  so I using some of the Gpu vram as shared memory to run the graphic amplifier.  I do have 8 gig ram chipset coming from crucial  to replace the shared memory.  But yeah this was the only solution for stacking vram

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  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,142
    Ivy said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

    you can do like I did . I run windows 7 pro.   I got a external 6 slot PCI express Alienware Graphic Amplifier Box, I put 2- 980ti 12 gigs GPU in , it runs on windows7 pro desktop using the MS visual-basics download and install a MS server RUN  ASP.NET run the commands for C+++   with the included instructions in the kit to stack your graphic cards GPU cores and Vram. It took a little while to set up and some help from someone I knew that was good at setting up servers for crypto-mining

    But it turned 12gigs SLi  of vram into 18gigs of useabel of vrams. I can't say I notice if it sped up the renders any more . But i can build much larger scenes now with out BSOD because I maxed out my GPU .  One thing which we have done recently was get a cheaper dedicated gtx980SC 4 gig card just for the dual monitors display. so we did not have to do a loop back for the display. Render farm Lite  - no render farm GPU license required,

    This sounds very interesting!  However, all the Alienware boxes I can find online only have a single PCIE slot  - could you post a link to the one you have?

     

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,142
    prixat said:

    https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/design-visualization/documents/iray-plugin-faq-sheet-20171120-r5-lr-FINAL.pdf

    This comes from the changes last November, nVidia no longer sell the Plugins or the Server. They've off-loaded the sales and support to third parties.

    Migenius got the Iray for Rhino plugin and the Iray Server. No wonder they were first to market with this service!

    What?  They are passing it off already?  Sounds like they have lost interest in the Rendering business.  Maybe the third party will discount the licenses.

     

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited February 2018
    Greymom said:
    prixat said:

    https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/design-visualization/documents/iray-plugin-faq-sheet-20171120-r5-lr-FINAL.pdf

    This comes from the changes last November, nVidia no longer sell the Plugins or the Server. They've off-loaded the sales and support to third parties.

    Migenius got the Iray for Rhino plugin and the Iray Server. No wonder they were first to market with this service!

    What?  They are passing it off already?  Sounds like they have lost interest in the Rendering business.  Maybe the third party will discount the licenses.

     

    Yes I can . I keep saying its Alienware. don't ask me why buts its not actually..lol 

    We are using the VisionTek   it has 6 slots for 3 dual card.  but will hold 4 standard cards.  i have 2 - 980ti's in it now https://www.bestbuy.com/site/visiontek-thunderbolt-3-egfx-external-graphics-accelerator-enclosure/6163995.p?skuId=6163995

     it looks like this when set up, sitting under your desk,  make sure to get the liquied side cooler add on for it it not much more

     

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  • drzapdrzap Posts: 795
    edited February 2018
    Ivy said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Ivy said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...however what if you wanted to build your own instead of renting time on someone else's server? (of course that would also mean getting an Iray Standalone licience[s]).

    you can do like I did . I run windows 7 pro.   I got a external 6 slot PCI express Alienware Graphic Amplifier Box, I put 2- 980ti 12 gigs GPU in , it runs on windows7 pro desktop using the MS visual-basics download and install a MS server RUN  ASP.NET run the commands for C+++   with the included instructions in the kit to stack your graphic cards GPU cores and Vram. It took a little while to set up and some help from someone I knew that was good at setting up servers for crypto-mining

    But it turned 12gigs SLi  of vram into 18gigs of useabel of vrams. I can't say I notice if it sped up the renders any more . But i can build much larger scenes now with out BSOD because I maxed out my GPU .  One thing which we have done recently was get a cheaper dedicated gtx980SC 4 gig card just for the dual monitors display. so we did not have to do a loop back for the display. Render farm Lite  - no render farm GPU license required,

    ...VRAM doesn't stack for rendering purposes. If you have two 11 GB cards all you get is 11 GB.  You do get the benefit of double the cores but that is it.

    Really then you better tell my system that..lol  Yes gpu will stacks vram in a graphic amplifier and running it in a windows server.  do the research thats what they are made for .. lap tops, desktops and and lesser devices that need GPU &  vram Boost

    Edit: I should have mention the only reason I'm not getting the whole 24 gigs vram is because I have no independent ram chips set in the gpu box yet, this is a fairly new set up  so I using some of the Gpu vram as shared memory to run the graphic amplifier.  I do have 8 gig ram chipset coming from crucial  to replace the shared memory.  But yeah this was the only solution for stacking vram

    Sounds impressive.  I've gots to look into that.surprise

    Post edited by drzap on
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