OT PSA: Microsoft Drop Win7 & Win8.1 Support for Latest Gen CPU's
Ghosty12
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Came across this video and if what this video said is true, in order to entice users of KabyLake and Ryzen CPU's and all future CPU's to Windows 10 they are dropping update support for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1..
Watch the video it will explain better than I can but I expect a huge tsunami of anger incoming once people find this out for this news is huge and everyone must know what is going on..
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They've been doing it for a while now; started last year iirc.
Ahh k, be interesting to knnow why they do this that is likely to tick off a lot of people..
Heck, Asus & Intel dropped 100% support for a $1500 ASUS EP121P 1 1/2 year after I bought it. Microsoft was the only business that even made the slightest effort to support that HW after that time. Turns out a fan clogged causing the lithium ion battery in it to overheat and explode so thank you ASUS that design shouldn't have made it out the door of their design labs.
I wouldn't blame Microsoft from scaling back such efforts to only include their latest OS just like those HW companies are doing only supporting their latest HW. Microsoft need to earn money from their work somehow and need to free engineers to work on innovation not tech someport of old HW and old SW.
They ain't forcing anyone to upgrade. They just aren't allowing themselves to be forced to support old HW & SW that earns them no money but costs them plenty of money to support.
I suppose that is true, and well it does no affect me since I am using 10, but there are those that still use the older OS's for reasons, but want to have the latest hardware.. I know I have had issues with some hardware and thinking about it now I spose I can't blame them but well
They ended XP support 3 years ago. And support for Windows 3.1 ended 16 years ago.
Seems reasonable to me. If it was my company, and I had 10,000 products over 40 years or whatever, I'd stop supporting the old stuff. Far too expensive to support stuff that doesn't provide revenue.
The thing is that both 7 and 8.1 have extended support to 2020 and 2023.. Also in he past you could still use to a point an older OS on newer hardware if you so choose.. And to some they prefer the older OS like Win 7 and 8.1 for whatever reason.. I think where the main issue is how they have gone about it and this is what is ticking some people off.. And in most cases it was the hardware manufacturers that sort of dictated how long they would provide driver support for their hardware for a specific OS version..
Also WinXP had a security update recently for the wannacry virus because there are still people out there that still use that OS..
do the new i7 10-cores work in win7?
clutches win7 close to bossoms
If what the video says is correct then no the new 10 core I7 7900x and up or AMD Ryzen based systems will no longer be able to download updates under Win 7.. The reason for this stance from Microsoft is that it seems that the take up of Win 10 is very low if you see the pie chart in the vid you see that Win 7 is at 48% while Win 10 is something like 25%..
they're losing business customers
my dayjob, huge employer, just migrated us off ms exchange to google apps. is painful using googl mail ans spreadsheets. they still on win7. cant imagine what os they'll go with next
yay...maybe that means my office will finally upgrade to windows 10! Yep...we are still at windows 7, MS Office 2013....always several versions behind
Probably go Linux who knows the other reason he mentions in the video is all of the telemetry data (everything you do while on your system) is supposedly sent to Microsoft and this is the one thing that Windows 7 and 8.1 does not do this, and as such MS are missing out on all that data that they can use for marketing and so on and why they want people on Windows 10 so they can gather that data..
...well So much for Skylake-X and Threadripper. Looks like my dual 8 core Haswell Xeon build gets the nod.
The issue with moving to Linux is there are way too many distros out there, thus most 3D software developers (including ones like Autodesk and Maxon) will not support it,. Daz may run in Wine...sort of....but YMMV significantly and it seems you end up spending more time debugging stuff than actually creating anything.
My biggest concern with Windows 10 is what it will do on a system with no internet connectivity - as I have zero intention of ever putting my main 3D system on-line. What kind of resource useage will Win10 do trying to get an internet connection, and how much will get used telling me I need a connection.
As far as dropping update support on Win 7 - not a problem, as it doesn't connect to the internet.
...same here. Yeah downloading and installing plugins/content is a bit of bother (especially beta releases), but with the DIM on the workstation I can add content to the install folder easily and run it in offline mode. I have zero interest in Connect and encrypted content that I cannot use in Carrara or other programmes. I also do not like being online while working as it takes extra resources that could be better put ot use in scene creation/rendering
Having a hefty firewall and up to date AV/Malware utilities goes a long way as well (the last time i trusted MS Security, I got burned).
Not gonna happen soon where I work; we still have several applications that don't run on anything newer than Windows XP (not entirely surprising simce the hardware they support is similarly ancient). Once the obsolete hardware is gone and we upgrade to some relatively modern for that functionality, maybe.
Which I consider a gross invasion of my privacy. That should be illegal to be honest.
Maya, Mudbox, and Cinema4D already are on Linux. They support RHEL or CentOS. In the case of C4D you have to be on a maintenance plan (ie studio) to get it for Linux, it is not publically available on that platform. Other professional software is also available such as Iray Server, DaVinci Resolve, Modo, Nuke, and others. Again, mostly on RHEL/CentOS.
Kendall
...I was aware of Maya and Modo as well as Blender, but that was about it. I also knew Iray Server supported Linux but the only plugins for that are for 3DS and C4D (and that is by subscription as well). The programmes we use, well, as much as I would like to see it, sorry, ain't going to happen. So it's either stay on the back side of the tech wave, or catch the crest and deal with an OS that according to some tech soruces I read, will take even more control away from the user than it already does.
I'm still pissed that nobody supports the software on my Pickett slide rule!
Can't even figure out how to turn it on. 
As usual with such changes, some people will always find a way... "wufuc": https://github.com/zeffy/wufuc
The thing that is going to annoy the **** out of me is teh ever-so-simple concept of web browsers and their sudden inabiliy to render website correctly, or at all. I already get that sort of happening with Chromium and being told by a ceratin site that it may not fucntion correctly without the latest version (how out of date on it could I be???) Also Flash (which I am not a fan of anyway) telling me that somethign just cannot work at all, gosh no, without having the latest super-duper version, despite the exact same thing having worked yesterday before they updated Flash ... again!
I discuss this from time to time with my old boss and we tend to agree that we are both probably going to suffer by not being able to ugrade web browsers on old(er) OSes as they will not be supported, even if the code would run.
Wow that didn't take long but will be interesting to see how long it lasts..
I don't use flash; if it needs flash, I do without.
You can opt out when installing Windows 10, or when starting up a new PC with it; they cannot legally distrbute the OS in the EU outherwise, due to the EU Privacy laws.
That's too new. How about support for my abacus?
Erm...it's one thing if it does not give you the best performance, but a completely different one if it doesn't even boot up - solely for the reason that Microsoft decided it that way, there is no technical reason behind this that prohibits new CPUs in general (like the github patch shows). We're talking about CPUs here, not some fancy shranzy GPU which needs drivers.
You might need a firmware upgrade, but that Microsoft has nothing to do with these (maybe they now do, because that UEFI stuff and signatures).
That's just a big fat middle finger sticked into the faces of their customers, no need to have understanding for that at all.
I know it's just me, but things like this assure me that it was a very good decision to migrate to linux.
It has it's up and downs, but I finally have a system that does what I say, not the other way around.
Well you can install, activate and run 10 without ever using the internet. I cannot fathom how 10 would use much resource looking for an internet connection, there is no way it is greater than what 7 does looking for a connection. Which is to say, whatever resources it may use are extremely trivial. I have a desktop and a laptop. I travel with this laptop and spend time without any internet connection on it. This does not effect performance in any way, and windows does not freak out asking to connect all the time.
So there's nothing to be concerned about here. I don't believe running 10 without an internet connection is not any different than running 7 without a connection.
...still if device driver updates (particularly if you get a SOTA GPU) are not supported by the CPU for W7.and 8.1 it could mean having to deal with instabilities.
Even offline W10 has two serious flaws, first being ridiculous unneeded features some of which require hacking the registry to disable, and second, the reserving a sizeable portion of GPU VRAM.
Linux is out as none of the Daz software (or for that fact Poser or Vue) natively support it. Meanwhile, Apple shot themselves in the foot again by not going back to the conventional "box" for the new iMac Pro (apologies, but an "all in one" is a bad configuration for a professional workstation) and continuing to shun Nvidia GPUs.
Sorry, not going to touch Windows 10 with a 10 foot pole. I would rather buy old motherboards off Ebay, then be forced to use it.
While I'd love to just stick with Windows 7 and pretend Windows 10 doesn't exist and the whole software-as-a-service wasn't a thing, I'm assuming the dropping of support for all newer processors may force me into Windows 10 simply because obtaining old hardware for the rest of my life becomes impossible or impractical, even ignoring security concerns.
What I would like to figure out how to do is to make the equivelant of a backup DVD for Windows 10, but don't know if that's possible.
My big fear at the moment is the forced updates, and I need a way to fall back to a known working point. If I move to Windows 10, when the day comes that an update breaks something or, say, is no longer compatible with my old version of DS, Bryce, etc., that's it, I loose a decade+ of content, much of which cannot be replaced and the remainder of which cannot be afforably replaced with something similar, plus an effectively unreplaceable decade+ of the time spent categorizing (technically could be done, but not practical unless insanely desperate and younger.). A fear which apparently nearly nobody else in the world seems to believe is an issue, even though it's already happened with other so far nonessential things. :-) Anyway, if I could find a way to create an installer DVD that can be run entirely offline (or mostly offline with a way to connect online for registration for a few minutes WITHOUT an update), then I could keep working even in 10 as I do in 7, with the obvious limitations of having that PC offline and a 2nd PC for online activities. But, I don't see a way to do that.
Ignoring regestration, I briefly considered imaging a disk, but presumably that would only be good for the life of the current hardware configuration, since a replacement PC or parts could require different files be downloaded and installed and those files aren't there, thus you still have no backup at all except for short term within the short life of a PC, after which you are screwed again. But surely others and organizations with bigger budgets and bigger potential losses are facing this same issue, somebody must have come up with a workaround, however goofy or expensive it may be to implement. I just don't know where to look. Suggestions?