Garabaldi vs Look at My Hair..... Please Clarify

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited December 1969

    I looked at the site originally, but the usage terms for LAMH presets weren't clear to me. I won't download something that doesn't have a readme that says commercial use is fine.

    I'm just trying to keep my runtime free of content I can't use anyway I want to.

    This is why, I prefer to have stuff bundled with the items I purchase that are free to use. I Try to not download freebies unless the usage terms are included with the download.

  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,520
    edited December 1969

    That is a good point Serene and I should have thought of that.... All the hair I made are free for commercial use.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited December 1969

    Heh, it saves me time. I don't want to use someone's content inappropriately either. =-)

  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,520
    edited December 1969

    well it's depressing to hear ... I'm trying to make a lot of hair styles for other people to use, and as its the first time I'm making hair, its really depressing when no one uses it :'(

    I'll talk to Alessandro about adding restrictions/readmes to files. All of MY hair (by Alia) are free for commercial use.

  • agsears_f6a68cb825agsears_f6a68cb825 Posts: 169
    edited December 1969

    well it's depressing to hear ... I'm trying to make a lot of hair styles for other people to use, and as its the first time I'm making hair, its really depressing when no one uses it :'(

    I'll talk to Alessandro about adding restrictions/readmes to files. All of MY hair (by Alia) are free for commercial use.

    Ditto for me: Alexa.

    All my stuff is free for commercial use. :)

    Alexa

  • zigraphixzigraphix Posts: 2,787
    edited December 1969

    well it's depressing to hear ... I'm trying to make a lot of hair styles for other people to use, and as its the first time I'm making hair, its really depressing when no one uses it :'(

    I'll talk to Alessandro about adding restrictions/readmes to files. All of MY hair (by Alia) are free for commercial use.

    I'm just waiting for LAMH to go on sale, and then I'll download a pile of your terrific presets. :)

  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,520
    edited December 1969

    huzzah! It's actually been on sale for a good long time, longer than most promo sales. :D You mean you're waiting for its march madness ?

    Another pic of newest hair preset! I love it ^^

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  • riftwitchriftwitch Posts: 1,439
    edited December 1969

    huzzah! It's actually been on sale for a good long time, longer than most promo sales. :D You mean you're waiting for its march madness ?

    Another pic of newest hair preset! I love it ^^

    You're making some beautiful hairstyles. Thanks for sharing the presets. Now, where do I put them? I'm just now finding a little time to play with LAMH.

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited December 1969

    riftwitch said:
    huzzah! It's actually been on sale for a good long time, longer than most promo sales. :D You mean you're waiting for its march madness ?

    Another pic of newest hair preset! I love it ^^

    You're making some beautiful hairstyles. Thanks for sharing the presets. Now, where do I put them? I'm just now finding a little time to play with LAMH.

    Are you using the player or the plugin?

    For the plugin, the default is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/presets
    For the player, the default is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio

    However, you can put them wherever you like and navigate to them.

    Kendall

  • riftwitchriftwitch Posts: 1,439
    edited December 1969

    riftwitch said:
    huzzah! It's actually been on sale for a good long time, longer than most promo sales. :D You mean you're waiting for its march madness ?

    Another pic of newest hair preset! I love it ^^

    You're making some beautiful hairstyles. Thanks for sharing the presets. Now, where do I put them? I'm just now finding a little time to play with LAMH.

    Are you using the player or the plugin?

    For the plugin, the default is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/presets
    For the player, the default is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio

    However, you can put them wherever you like and navigate to them.

    Kendall

    I'm using the plugiin. Thanks, I'll install them before I go to bed.

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited December 1969

    riftwitch said:
    riftwitch said:
    huzzah! It's actually been on sale for a good long time, longer than most promo sales. :D You mean you're waiting for its march madness ?

    Another pic of newest hair preset! I love it ^^

    You're making some beautiful hairstyles. Thanks for sharing the presets. Now, where do I put them? I'm just now finding a little time to play with LAMH.

    Are you using the player or the plugin?

    For the plugin, the default is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/presets
    For the player, the default is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio

    However, you can put them wherever you like and navigate to them.

    Kendall

    I'm using the plugiin. Thanks, I'll install them before I go to bed.

    Sorry, it's been a long night.... the presets directory for the plugin is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/lookatmyhairAM/presets

    I noticed it in your followup.

    Kendall

  • zigraphixzigraphix Posts: 2,787
    edited December 1969

    huzzah! It's actually been on sale for a good long time, longer than most promo sales. :D You mean you're waiting for its march madness ?

    Another pic of newest hair preset! I love it ^^

    Yes, waiting for March Madness. :)

  • riftwitchriftwitch Posts: 1,439
    edited December 1969

    riftwitch said:
    riftwitch said:
    huzzah! It's actually been on sale for a good long time, longer than most promo sales. :D You mean you're waiting for its march madness ?

    Another pic of newest hair preset! I love it ^^

    You're making some beautiful hairstyles. Thanks for sharing the presets. Now, where do I put them? I'm just now finding a little time to play with LAMH.

    Are you using the player or the plugin?

    For the plugin, the default is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/presets
    For the player, the default is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio

    However, you can put them wherever you like and navigate to them.

    Kendall

    I'm using the plugiin. Thanks, I'll install them before I go to bed.

    Sorry, it's been a long night.... the presets directory for the plugin is: /Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/lookatmyhairAM/presets

    I noticed it in your followup.

    Kendall

    Thanks. I was able to load the presets with no problems. Now I just need to learn how to use the plugin. ;-) If I ever have a reasonable length of time to sit down and work with it...

  • foleyprofoleypro Posts: 485
    edited March 2013

    One of My beta test images using Garabaldi...

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  • staticstatic Posts: 325
    edited December 1969

    So Garibaldi seems to produce photorealistic hair. Can LAMH do the same?

  • staticstatic Posts: 325
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    Quasar said:
    Did anybody else have Norton say the Garibaldi download was unsafe and then quarantine it?

    Norton does that for a lot of DAZ files...and it has nothing to do with whether or not the file is malicious, but rather everything to do with the 'feature' that equates file 'safety' with the number of times it shows up in some database kept by Symantec...it's a 'reputation based' ranking system. So new files, because they don't have a place in the db, MUST be bad...

    I gave up on Norton long ago. Never liked the programs I did. I use Trend Micro. It works in the background, and is always up to the minute with definitions. Stops viruses off a floppy before they even get to your hard drive. And it has no problems with DAZ.

  • ZaarinZaarin Posts: 366
    edited December 1969

    So Garibaldi seems to produce photorealistic hair. Can LAMH do the same?

    Not having used either, from the renders I've seen Garibaldi looks too grainy, just like Poser dynamic hair. LAMH looks much more natural to me. Just my opinion, though, and based solely on the renders of others.
  • staticstatic Posts: 325
    edited December 1969

    Zaarin said:
    So Garibaldi seems to produce photorealistic hair. Can LAMH do the same?

    Not having used either, from the renders I've seen Garibaldi looks too grainy, just like Poser dynamic hair. LAMH looks much more natural to me. Just my opinion, though, and based solely on the renders of others.
    Really? All the renders I've seen of LAMH seem either painted or sculpted, with no real depth. I was not that impressed, but I gave up on Poser in favor of Studio and now I hear Garibaldi doesn't like Studio. So, I can't decide. There tend to be more renders here from LAMH, but I favor the Garibaldi ones posted here. Is there another site that I could see more of both to help me judge?
  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited March 2013

    Zaarin said:
    So Garibaldi seems to produce photorealistic hair. Can LAMH do the same?

    Not having used either, from the renders I've seen Garibaldi looks too grainy, just like Poser dynamic hair. LAMH looks much more natural to me. Just my opinion, though, and based solely on the renders of others.

    Really? All the renders I've seen of LAMH seem either painted or sculpted, with no real depth. I was not that impressed, but I gave up on Poser in favor of Studio and now I hear Garibaldi doesn't like Studio. So, I can't decide. There tend to be more renders here from LAMH, but I favor the Garibaldi ones posted here. Is there another site that I could see more of both to help me judge?

    http://furrythings.com
    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/17802/

    LAMH can use ANY shader you want to throw at it. It will also include that shader in the OBJ that is exported for Reality. LAMH can go from TOON, to PhotoReal, to Stylized. We've used it with Bishounen Taurus' EXCELLENT Visual Style and Manga Shaders, with UberEnvironment, Sparkle Shaders, etc. LAMH will not restrict your creativity for our idea of what the hair should do.

    LAMH will even let you replace the hairs with Instanced Props. LAMH will create Grass, Moss, Flowers, etc.

    We will be attaching it to Infinito in the future as well.

    Kendall

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  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    Zaarin said:
    So Garibaldi seems to produce photorealistic hair. Can LAMH do the same?

    Not having used either, from the renders I've seen Garibaldi looks too grainy, just like Poser dynamic hair. LAMH looks much more natural to me. Just my opinion, though, and based solely on the renders of others.

    Really? All the renders I've seen of LAMH seem either painted or sculpted, with no real depth. I was not that impressed, but I gave up on Poser in favor of Studio and now I hear Garibaldi doesn't like Studio. So, I can't decide. There tend to be more renders here from LAMH, but I favor the Garibaldi ones posted here. Is there another site that I could see more of both to help me judge?

    Excuse me?
    Garibaldi doesn't like Studio?
    Garibaldi IS for Studio ...

  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,520
    edited December 1969

    My hair renders may not be the best for realism, as I tend to prefer more toony shaders on the hair... I think it looks more artistic :) but to each their own ;)
    I think the hair render I did here had the most realistic, even though I'm still using a velvet shader and not a "real" hair shader

    I also think LAMH has more potential and more ability to do more than Garibaldi and for me is easier.

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  • staticstatic Posts: 325
    edited December 1969

    Kerya said:
    Zaarin said:
    So Garibaldi seems to produce photorealistic hair. Can LAMH do the same?

    Not having used either, from the renders I've seen Garibaldi looks too grainy, just like Poser dynamic hair. LAMH looks much more natural to me. Just my opinion, though, and based solely on the renders of others.

    Really? All the renders I've seen of LAMH seem either painted or sculpted, with no real depth. I was not that impressed, but I gave up on Poser in favor of Studio and now I hear Garibaldi doesn't like Studio. So, I can't decide. There tend to be more renders here from LAMH, but I favor the Garibaldi ones posted here. Is there another site that I could see more of both to help me judge?

    Excuse me?
    Garibaldi doesn't like Studio?
    Garibaldi IS for Studio ...

    Well, maybe I read that wrong, but I thought someone here mentioned that There was some rendering issue with Garibaldi and Studio... Let me re-read...
    I'm trying to get the proper info so I can make the right purchase. I can't afford to put stuff on my machine that I can't use.

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    Well - Garibaldi works fine in DS, LAMH works fine (as far as I heard - I don't have that one, because I don't like the extra-activation on an external server).

    You could buy both, test them and then give back the one you don't want.
    Daz3D still has the 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee.

  • staticstatic Posts: 325
    edited March 2013

    Kerya said:
    Well - Garibaldi works fine in DS, LAMH works fine (as far as I heard - I don't have that one, because I don't like the extra-activation on an external server).

    You could buy both, test them and then give back the one you don't want.
    Daz3D still has the 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee.

    Here it is:

    Both are great.
    Only real problem I had with Garibaldi during the Beta was that hair would be invisible if you set the Render Engine to the Scripted 3Delight: Point-Based Occlusion. Since that's what I use to render I'll stick with Look At My Hair.
    Otherwise both are really cool and even similar.

    I am not sure if he's saying that the problem is with 3Delight or just a certain aspect of it Point-Based Occlusion. I am not sure. It sounded to me as if Point-Based Occlusion was a description of 3Delight, not just a setting. I don't do much Advanced setting manipulation, so if this is a setting I can just ignore, than I can get the Garibaldi.
    Could someone clarify this bit for me, please?

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  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 4,511
    edited December 1969

    well it's depressing to hear ... I'm trying to make a lot of hair styles for other people to use, and as its the first time I'm making hair, its really depressing when no one uses it :'(

    I'll talk to Alessandro about adding restrictions/readmes to files. All of MY hair (by Alia) are free for commercial use.

    I've got your hair :) I really haven't used them yet for a few reasons, one being I'm waiting for LAMH 1.1 before I try using it again. Been experimenting in Garabaldi a tad for the time being.

    But I've been sticking to premade hair figures because I like having all those morph options. Be nice if these new hair solutions had a good way to save hair morphs so you can dial them in as needed. Sure you can save a dozen versions of the same hair posed differently, but sometimes you need to dial the movement in a bit more or less.

    I've used both GH and LAMH plenty of hours and both can get good results. it is going to depend on how you like to render. Both programs have similiar functionality, and about the same learning curve. I don't have a preference yet because neither have really been used in final renders much yet.

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    Kerya said:
    Well - Garibaldi works fine in DS, LAMH works fine (as far as I heard - I don't have that one, because I don't like the extra-activation on an external server).

    You could buy both, test them and then give back the one you don't want.
    Daz3D still has the 30 day no questions asked money back guarantee.

    Here it is:

    Both are great.
    Only real problem I had with Garibaldi during the Beta was that hair would be invisible if you set the Render Engine to the Scripted 3Delight: Point-Based Occlusion. Since that's what I use to render I'll stick with Look At My Hair.
    Otherwise both are really cool and even similar.

    I am not sure if he's saying that the problem is with 3Delight or just a certain aspect of it Point-Based Occlusion. I am not sure. It sounded to me as if Point-Based Occlusion was a description of 3Delight, not just a setting. I don't do much Advanced setting manipulation, so if this is a setting I can just ignore, than I can get the Garibaldi.
    Could someone clarify this bit for me, please?

    Oh - this is not the usual render method most people are using in DazStudio - or are you changing the render method from 3Delight to Scripted Delight?
    I don't even know whether LAMH hairs are rendering in Scripted 3Delight.

  • DisparateDreamerDisparateDreamer Posts: 2,520
    edited March 2013

    i have no idea about the scripted whatever. but i absolutely love making hair with LAMH. Its so easy for me :D

    I love making detailed hair styles in a few minutes!!!
    Here's a hair I made last night real quick. I wanted to make it fancier but I had to make this with a sick toddler sitting on my lap wanting constant hugs and snuggles. He likes watching me make hair styles at least! :D

    Once again I'm using Fisty's sparkle velvet shaders. It's a favorite of mine. :)

    Also attaching a picture I made using LAMH to add trees to the background!!! See those lucky clover trees? Made with LAMH!!! Using Hellboy Soto's fantastic shamrock prop, and using LAMH to put those all over the tree as leaves, you have luck growing on trees. :) I think it makes a lovely addition!!

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  • zigraphixzigraphix Posts: 2,787
    edited December 1969


    LAMH can use ANY shader you want to throw at it. It will also include that shader in the OBJ that is exported for Reality. LAMH can go from TOON, to PhotoReal, to Stylized. We've used it with Bishounen Taurus' EXCELLENT Visual Style and Manga Shaders, with UberEnvironment, Sparkle Shaders, etc. LAMH will not restrict your creativity for our idea of what the hair should do.

    LAMH will even let you replace the hairs with Instanced Props. LAMH will create Grass, Moss, Flowers, etc.

    We will be attaching it to Infinito in the future as well.

    Kendall

    I have to admit, the instancing is part of what has sold me on waiting for LAMH to go on MM sale. :) (And I have Infinito, as well, so that's a plus.) I have a scripted toon render camera set I'm working on, and I plan to test that with LAMH as soon as I get it. If it turns out that adjustments are needed to render scripts for them to work with this, I'll work with you guys on trying to figure those out.

    Actually, I guess I could get the beta "player" plugin and some of Alea's hairs and try it... I should have an update tomorrow. :)

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:


    LAMH can use ANY shader you want to throw at it. It will also include that shader in the OBJ that is exported for Reality. LAMH can go from TOON, to PhotoReal, to Stylized. We've used it with Bishounen Taurus' EXCELLENT Visual Style and Manga Shaders, with UberEnvironment, Sparkle Shaders, etc. LAMH will not restrict your creativity for our idea of what the hair should do.

    LAMH will even let you replace the hairs with Instanced Props. LAMH will create Grass, Moss, Flowers, etc.

    We will be attaching it to Infinito in the future as well.

    Kendall

    I have to admit, the instancing is part of what has sold me on waiting for LAMH to go on MM sale. :) (And I have Infinito, as well, so that's a plus.) I have a scripted toon render camera set I'm working on, and I plan to test that with LAMH as soon as I get it. If it turns out that adjustments are needed to render scripts for them to work with this, I'll work with you guys on trying to figure those out.

    Actually, I guess I could get the beta "player" plugin and some of Alea's hairs and try it... I should have an update tomorrow. :)

    Hi Zig,
    We'll help any way possible. Feel free to contact me directly at krsears (at) trdc.biz if you have technical questions or would like more information.

    Kendall

  • Blaine91555Blaine91555 Posts: 148
    edited December 1969

    I ended up purchasing both over the weekend. I like them both and the results are very similar. The only real difference that influences me at all is the ability to substitute other objects in LAMH which opens lots of possibilities.

    I find them both very easy to use. Before learning them better I had a preference for Garabaldi as you can pretty much go to town with it as the interface is self explanatory. The limitation on map size and dealing with proper naming was a little off-putting. I imagine the file size limit is short term.

    I'm going to call it a tie with an extra point for LAMH for the additional capabilities to offset the extra point to Garibaldi for ease of styling. Personally, I'd say buy both since they are inexpensive to start with and I like supporting the folks creating all these great things for us at a reasonable price. That and I love toys.

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