Semi OT Computer questions, aka how to build one?

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  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    I do not have a good nvidia video card.

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    even though it's not good, it might be worth running your monitor off of to free up the good card solely for Daz. That is if the MB you end up getting doesn't have on board graphics. The downside is games will use whatever video card your main monitor is hooked up to, so you would lose the benefit of a high powered card for gaming unless you physicaly switched which video card your monitor was hooked to.

     

    Things still to touch on in my previous post, the Ram, Hard drives and reviewing and future-proofing the build.

    Oh, and read reviews.

    The more you pick-parts, the easier it will be to see the stuff that's important and figure out what's important, what's a good deal, etc. The more you'll understand and be able to make better builds.

  • posecastposecast Posts: 386

    Go to cyberpowerpc.com or another similar pc assembler and look for the cheapest thing you can get with a 1070. The problem with your current machine, besides being broken of course, is that it is a hard machine platform to upgrade. They has some decent intel pcs for 700$ that you could upgrade to a 1070 later.

    It is hard to beat companies like this for value. It is not the best or the cheapest...they have to make a profit after all, but what you get will be reliable. And you wont be shorting  a motherboard or frying a video card or doing something stupid to the cpu that costs you a fortune to fix (believe me, I have done all three over the years).

  • Takeo.KenseiTakeo.Kensei Posts: 1,303

    If you're not techy enough you'd better buy a prebuilt one. You can find good deals sometimes

    https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Ideacentre-Y700-Desktop-90DG0021US/dp/B01M0UL44G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1484342715&sr=8-3&keywords=gtx+1070+i5

    It only lacks some RAM, weak psu and has weak expandability but the price is very good

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    I found my old notebook and tried to start it but I only got this screen.  I got it around the same time that I got my desktop so it is really old.

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    3200 x 2400 - 2M
  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    Windows 10 home or Windows 10 Pro?  What are the differences?

  • srieschsriesch Posts: 4,243

    SMART relates to hard drive failure.

    Compare features between versions of windows 10: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

     

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,616

    The main difference for us is Windows 10 PRO allows you to schedule updates.

    No surprise reboots in the middle of long renders. yes

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

     Found my old computer which is older than my dead computer.  It is so old that it is 32 bit.   My OS usb thing is for 64 bit. 

    I found an Ubuntu install disc and I am getting EDD Error 0100 or something like that.  What does that mean?

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,256

     

     Found my old computer which is older than my dead computer.  It is so old that it is 32 bit.   My OS usb thing is for 64 bit. 

    I found an Ubuntu install disc and I am getting EDD Error 0100 or something like that.  What does that mean?

    http://programwiki.org/syslinux-edd-error-0100-reading-sector/

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    Wonder how I can access a 32 bit Ubuntu cd or usb stick.

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    Found a USB stick with Ubuntu 32/64 bit at Amazon. I think it is an 8 GB USB stick.  I was debating between the CD and USB stick but ended up getting the USB stick.

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    What is a good LInux build for an old 32 bit computer?

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    how do I change start up and remove unneeded programs from startup of the computer in Vista

  • artd3Dartd3D Posts: 165

    For a good LInux build for an old laptop get Peppermint 7. I just installed it on a lenovo T60 32 bit and it runs like a charm.

    You can download for free and install it from a dvd or usb stick. I tried a number of different distros including linux mint, ubuntu and others

    and Peppermint was the best by far.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,256

    how do I change start up and remove unneeded programs from startup of the computer in Vista

    You could try this:

    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/download/system-desktop-tools/anvir-task-manager-free-812-3330806/

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    How did the free upgrade to windows 10 for life work?  Is it attached to my account or to my computer?

  • How did the free upgrade to windows 10 for life work?  Is it attached to my account or to my computer?

    Computer - if you do a reinstall on the same machine it will recognise it and not ask for a serial.

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    Can I reuse the old computer's PSU if I get a new computer case?

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,256

    Can I reuse the old computer's PSU if I get a new computer case?

    If it fits in physically (PSUs can have different sizes).

  • SixDsSixDs Posts: 2,384
    edited February 2017

    Further to what Taozen said, some large OEMs, Dell and HP to be specific, have often used non-standard pinouts on their PSUs and motherboards, rendering standard-compliant, aftermarket ATX PSUs incompatible. Likewise, the PSUs from these OEM machines cannot be used with a standard-compliant motherboard. Attempting to do so either will simply result in no boot at best, or a fried motherboard at worst. The only solution is to use an adapter, or rewire the ATX connector.

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  • Getting a new case won't help with the Windows 10 license - I don't knoww hat it is tied to, but if a single item I would guess the motherboard.

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    I dusted my old computer off to see if that will help.

  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,638

    I dusted my old computer off to see if that will help.

    I would look for a linux user group in your area. Most Linux users are computer nerds and know how to build and fix computers. Youtube is a good place to learn about how to build and fix PC's. I would find a person good at building PCs and befriend them and usually with a nice starbucks coffie they might be persuaded to take a look at your HP problem.

  • AlienRendersAlienRenders Posts: 794
    edited April 2017

    @OP: If your video cards are "crashing", I'm betting your power supply is starting to show its age. It's almost aways the power supply that causes video cards to show artifacts, go black, or just "crash".

    I just built a Ryzen 7 1800x machine two weeks ago. But I've built Intel machines too. If you need any help, feel free to contact me. Everything starts with a budget. You need to know what kind of budget you have. Then you need to figure out if you can use your old case or not. A good case will save you a LOT of trouble down the road. Look for one with good spacing, that allows for cable management, has the number of drive bays you're looking for and has good ventilation. Most people don't pay enough attention to the case. Once you've decided on your budget, you need to look at what CPU and what video card (nVidia for iRay) you want. Those are the costliest parts (usually). Unfortunately, you've picked a bad time to build a PC because RAM prices are really high now. So pick what amount of RAM you want and what speed. You'll really need to look at what fits in your budget here. Then you pick a power supply that has enough power for your CPU and video card and then some. Get a good one. Get a modular one if you can, but those can be a lot more expensive. And you also need a motherboard. There are plenty to choose from and you can't really go wrong with any of the top brands (ASUS, MSI, ASRock, Gigabyte, etc.). Finally, you need to decide on cooling. I'm guessing you'll want to go with air cooling. If you want to go with all-in-one water cooling, you'll need a proper case and I can give you more info if you want.

    Also budget in peripherals if you're not going to reuse them (keyboard, mouse, speakers, headphones, hard drives, SSD, monitor etc.). Don't forget SATA cables.

    Most important point is to have fun. Building a PC is a LOT of fun. You get to go shopping for parts. You get to put it all together. And then the excitement that comes when you first press that power button!

    About your windows 10 license. If you got the free update, it is licensed to your current machine only. However, you can keep using it if you create a Microsoft account and convert your local account to that Microsoft account. Once you do that, your license will now be attached to your Mircrosoft account. So when you install Windows on your new machine, you just log into your same Microsoft account and Windows will validate on your new machine.

     

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited April 2017

    How did the free upgrade to windows 10 for life work?  Is it attached to my account or to my computer?

    It's registered in your account but applies to Computer

    Basically Microsoft turned all previous editions of Windows into OEM versions, forcing folks to buy a new copy with a new computer if they want windows 10, and not updating OSs to take advantage of newer hardware is a further effect of giving something for 'free'.

    Load of crap, it isn't free.

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  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,252

    I got the beeping to stop but that may not be a good thing.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2017

    I think I will have a hundred dollars for it soon.  Is that enough?

    I think you'd be a lot better off saving up for something better.  The new 1050 has only 2 GB of video RAM which I imagine would be pretty limiting.  The 6GB 1060 is a lot more though, $300.  But that would be a lot more powerful for Iray, and going up to 6 GB will be far less limiting for the video memory.  In other bad news, the power supply may not be adequate so you'll want to budget for that too.

    They are both based off Nvidia's latest Pascal architecture, I see a pretty big performance boost with them over the previous generation.

    ...just for comparison, the 8 GB 1070 which I have been looking into, consumes 10 W less at peak than my old 1 GB 460 does (150W for the 1070 vs 160W for the 460) so for the performance, the 10xx series cards are more power efficient.

    The recommended PSU for a 6 GB 1060 is 400W, the card itself peaks at 120W.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2017
    SixDs said:

    There are many reasons why some people prefer to assemble their own PCs (me included), but saving money by doing so is way down on that list. It is unlikely that you will be able to put together a PC yourself more cheaply than you could purchase an OEM machine with identical specs. Possible perhaps, but highly unlikely. Some believe that it will be cheaper because they will be saving labour costs by doing it themselves, but labour costs are an insignificant part of the cost of an OEM machine.

    The reasons I assemble my own is because it allows me to choose all the individual parts that I want myself, I know exactly what I have and what to do if a problem should arise during use, and usually I enjoy assembling them (well, mostly) and get a certain satisfaction when they work (they mostly do).

    Sometimes, if I am prepared to spend a lot of time rather than money, I may save on individual components, but we are talking months spent watching and searching to do it that way. I also have enough components and spare parts around that I can test the bits and pieces as I get them without having to wait until I have everything to find out if they work OK (not a good idea given warranty issues).

    ...when I built my current system it did cost a good deal less than to get the same specs (around 1,200$ sans keyboard and display which I already had) than ordering from a custom house (about 2,300$ - 2,500$) at the time.  True, I did take the time researching components picking some up now and then to get the best deals I could.

    I have checked custom houses today and they still do charge a premium. Another thing to remember is if you know exactly what you want (like I did) you may have to accept some substitutes depending on the hardware the custom house stocks.  Still the one big advantage in either case, no bloatware and some custom houses still offer a W7 Pro "downgrade"  

    One main point, if doing a self build, make sure to research all your components to make sure they are compatible. In designing a system I always go a little overboard on the PSU as that is the "heart" of your system.  Nvidia recommended a 500 W PSU for the GTX 460, so I went with a 750 W one to have the extra overhead for future expansion.  If the PSU goes, it can take the entire system with it.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851

    Computers that do not turn on are a pain in the foot.

    ...if you try to "boot" them with a swift kick, true.

    I like to say a pain in another part of the anatomy myself.

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