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Once Again, I'm Considering a PC for DAZ Studio Only

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    hphoenix said:
    Ron Knights said:

    Linux will never rival Windows or OSX.

     

    Ron Knights said:

    But that's the thing. A few years ago some "Brand Name" computer companies made a big deal about offering some computers with Linux installed. No one bought them.

    Linux is still evolving.  The issue with Linux isn't that it isn't 'ready', as Ubuntu and CentOS have shown.  It's that truly user-friendly configuration and installation CANNOT exist with all the multitudinous flavors of linux that exist today.  As long as Linux is fractured, it will never take over the desktop market.

    If tomorrow, ALL the linux users agreed that Distro X would be the only one, and that ALL current linux systems would be migrated to it, then it would very quickly start to gain traction.  Linux already dominates the Server niche, Desktop and Workstation is where it lacks.  But with the current dozens of distros out there, automating configuration and unifying tools and formats just isn't ABLE to happen.  And THAT is why it isn't competing seriously with Windows and OSX.

    And unfortunately, that isn't going to happen any time soon.  Most linux users have their 'favorite' distro, and are loathe to use any other.  Mint afficianados won't touch Ubuntu, RedHat backers can't stand SuSe....Slackware, Debian, CentOS, and more and NONE of them can agree on much.  The only thing that unifies them is the Linux Kernel.  There is some overlap about certain other parts, but it's still very different worlds.

     

    What is needed is someone to build a linux distro that is well-thought out, has lots of support for hardware, Media licensing, simple GUI based configuration and setup utilities, and a unified GUI design.  And then for ALMOST ALL exisitng Linux users to convert to it.  Then MS and Apple would have some real competition to worry about......

     

    ...yes

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    AllenArt said:

    A few years ago we didn't have the craptastic piece of trash that is Windows 10 ;). Give it time. LOL

    Laurie

    ...exactly. Two bad OS concepts back to back.  That is not a good thing for the user community. 

    Instead of being "the last OS you will ever need" it should be touted as "the last OS you would ever want"

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,072

    You raised some valid points. However, I boil it down to this: "Is there a Linux version of Microsoft Office, PhotoShop?! Poser?! DAZ Studio, etc." Until there are actual Linux versions of the "big name" software, then Linux fails. I'm not talking about software that is "as good as..." I'm talking the real thing.

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    Ron Knights said:

    You raised some valid points. However, I boil it down to this: "Is there a Linux version of Microsoft Office, PhotoShop?! Poser?! DAZ Studio, etc." Until there are actual Linux versions of the "big name" software, then Linux fails. I'm not talking about software that is "as good as..." I'm talking the real thing.

    Given that two of the applications you've listed have gone to "cloud based" automatically authenticated and updated products, there won't be Linux versions for them. And honestly, even when they were normal software applications, I preferred GIMP and Open Office/Star Office.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,953

    No OS wars, please.

  • alexhcowleyalexhcowley Posts: 2,403
    hphoenix said:
    Ron Knights said:

    Linux will never rival Windows or OSX.

     

    Ron Knights said:

    But that's the thing. A few years ago some "Brand Name" computer companies made a big deal about offering some computers with Linux installed. No one bought them.

    Linux is still evolving.  The issue with Linux isn't that it isn't 'ready', as Ubuntu and CentOS have shown.  It's that truly user-friendly configuration and installation CANNOT exist with all the multitudinous flavors of linux that exist today.  As long as Linux is fractured, it will never take over the desktop market.

    If tomorrow, ALL the linux users agreed that Distro X would be the only one, and that ALL current linux systems would be migrated to it, then it would very quickly start to gain traction.  Linux already dominates the Server niche, Desktop and Workstation is where it lacks.  But with the current dozens of distros out there, automating configuration and unifying tools and formats just isn't ABLE to happen.  And THAT is why it isn't competing seriously with Windows and OSX.

    And unfortunately, that isn't going to happen any time soon.  Most linux users have their 'favorite' distro, and are loathe to use any other.  Mint afficianados won't touch Ubuntu, RedHat backers can't stand SuSe....Slackware, Debian, CentOS, and more and NONE of them can agree on much.  The only thing that unifies them is the Linux Kernel.  There is some overlap about certain other parts, but it's still very different worlds.

     

    What is needed is someone to build a linux distro that is well-thought out, has lots of support for hardware, Media licensing, simple GUI based configuration and setup utilities, and a unified GUI design.  And then for ALMOST ALL exisitng Linux users to convert to it.  Then MS and Apple would have some real competition to worry about......

     

    I've spent the last third of a century writing and maintaining commercial manufacturing software systems.  Hphoenix's words above perfectly sum up why I cannot take Linux seriously and why I'm sticking with Windows, even though I hate it.

    Cheers,

    Alex.

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,072

    I started this thread because I sincerely needed input from people who've put together systems to help them run DAZ Studio. I especially appreciate input from people who might have had similar experiences, evaluating Macintosh and Windows platforms. I have no desire to get involved in any OS wars. In my estimation, the operating systems involved are less important than the fact that Apple doesn't see the need to allow customers to put together a system that would more easily handle the needs of DAZ Studio and iRay rendering.

  • Consumer573Consumer573 Posts: 282
    hphoenix said:
     

    What is needed is someone to build a linux distro that is well-thought out, has lots of support for hardware, Media licensing, simple GUI based configuration and setup utilities, and a unified GUI design.  And then for ALMOST ALL exisitng Linux users to convert to it.  Then MS and Apple would have some real competition to worry about......

    Sounds like a business opportunity. Solve a problem.

    How big is the market? How might one do that?

     

  • Consumer573Consumer573 Posts: 282
    Ron Knights said:

    I started this thread because I sincerely needed input from people who've put together systems to help them run DAZ Studio. I especially appreciate input from people who might have had similar experiences, evaluating Macintosh and Windows platforms. I have no desire to get involved in any OS wars. In my estimation, the operating systems involved are less important than the fact that Apple doesn't see the need to allow customers to put together a system that would more easily handle the needs of DAZ Studio and iRay rendering.

    I understand that it's gotten a bit off topic. But seeing all of these comments makes me wonder if Apple is abandoning one of their once core constituenucies. If they lose the creative high end types might this herald Larry Ellison's comment a few years ago (approximation):  "You've seen Apple with Steve Jobs, you've seen Apple without Steve Jobs, and you've seen Apple with Steve jobs again. What do YOU think the future of the company is gong to be?"   You could also have applied this to Disney after Walt Disney died, so I guess we'll see. For me the question is how to determine if/when the stock is a buy or sell.

     

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    Consumer573 said:
    hphoenix said:
     

    What is needed is someone to build a linux distro that is well-thought out, has lots of support for hardware, Media licensing, simple GUI based configuration and setup utilities, and a unified GUI design.  And then for ALMOST ALL exisitng Linux users to convert to it.  Then MS and Apple would have some real competition to worry about......

    Sounds like a business opportunity. Solve a problem.

    How big is the market? How might one do that?

     

    Can we please, out of respect for the Original Post author, take the Linux debate to my thread on the subject?

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133

    I am a die-hard Mac user and despise Windows but am considering getting a PC just for DS too. Then I can multi task, render Poser and do postwork on the Mac and render DS on the PC...  Any suggestions of the best, not overly expensive NVIDIA card? 

  • missdekoimissdekoi Posts: 0

    I built a decent PC earlier this year, using essentialy the same hardware outlined in this video, and running Win7pro:

    It works really well for Daz3D, though on some long renders I may have to take the case covers off to help cooling, as that particular FX-9590 CPU is prone to get quite hot, even

    with a good liquid cooler.  I keep corsair's temp monitor running while it's rendering and bail the render if it gets above a certain threshold.   Got most of the parts at newegg and they had a special on their card where it was no interest if you paid it off in 12 months. 

     

    SCB


     

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