Only 10GB for the upcoming 1080 Ti
boisselazon
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Well, 10 is better than 8, but less than 12.
To put the Ti between the 1080GTX and the Titan, nvidia seems to deliver a 1080 Ti with “only” 10Gb of GDDR5X. For gamers, it doesn’t matter much but for us, rendermen, it does matter…and it is a big disappointment. (and the price won’t be a nice surprise either). to be expected on CES 2017 in january.
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I wasn't expecting 12, as the titan only has GDDR5X.
...that may actually work for me as my largest scene to date is 8.9 GB.
The x80ti has NEVER offered more vram than the Titan from the same generation, so I do not understand your surprise at all. The 980ti (6gb) had more than the 980 (4gb), but still MUCH less than the Maxwell Titan's 12gb. 10 is pretty much exactly what was expected, and every rumor from the beginning has stated 10 gb. Its also the first time that Nvidia has offered a card that was even close to its Titan offering.
The thing to get upset about is how Nvidia has been jacking up prices as they dominate market share, and the 1080ti is going to be very pricey. The "Founder's Edition" crap is a total scam. Hey, let's make the MSRP this...but the Founder's Edition will be $100 more than that...and it will be the only edition we offer! TROLOLOLOL.
This is why we need AMD to compete and do well, even if we as Daz users are forced-er-compelled- to buy Nvidia cards for Iray.
Yep so far they had only half of the memory (780ti 3GB - Titan 6GB, 980ti 6GB - Titan 12GB). The ti beeing so close is actually uncommon and likley only because they didn't switch to stacked memory to bump the titan size up.
...yeah was really hoping at least the new Titan would have 16 GB of HBM2 memory
Only 10GB for the 1080Ti would be a very bad development for Nvidia customers in many countries who want to do GPU rendering.
The 1080Ti was supposed to be an alternative for those customers in countries who do not have anymore access to Titan level cards.
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A summary:
before August 2nd 2016
- all board partners like Asus, EVGA, Gainward etc. were allowed to create custom versions of Titan cards
- Titan level cards were available in regular stores or online shops
- there were no order limitations on maximum number cards per customer
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The situation now:
- boardpartners were excluded from Titan production
- Nvidia sells Titans exclusively in its own online store managed by Digitalriver
- Titan orders are limited to 2 per customer only
- Digitalriver is refusing to ship to many smaller European countries
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A few weeks back first 1080Ti rumors hinted at 12 GB of VRAM.
If all customers would have access to such a 1080Ti version the damage caused by the policy change in worldwide Titan distribution could have been neglected.
If only 10 GB of VRAM for 1080Ti turns out to be true this means that customers in many countries will not have access to any affordable 12 GB VRAM graphic cards at all.
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If you don't believe me check for yourselves:
https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/producttype/graphics-cards-106?tagIds=76&f=835960
Digitec is one of the biggest stores in Switzerland that featured Titan level cards of all board partners just a few months ago.
Last generation Titans are all out of stock. What remains are 4'000+ $ Quadro cards...
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If anyone at DAZ3D has a direct line to Nvidia please make them aware of this situation.
Please ask them what steps Nvidia is undertaking so that all customers in all countries have acess to cards with 12 GB VRAM again?
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..well until the 1070/1080, the only 8 GB Nvidia card you could get was a 2,500$ Quadro M5000.
If this is going to be the case and Titan GPUs will no longer be available from the usual boardpartners then even independent CG artists here will have a difficult time because of the high price (and no chance for discount) as well as unit limit (and BTW the last time I was there a few days ago, the Nvida store indicated the Pascal Titan-X is currently "out of stock").
This has also helped to keep the price high for any Maxwell Titan-X cards that are still available through vendors like Amazon and ebay.
What looked to be a promising and welcome upgrade in GPU technology is rapidly appearing to becoming something of a SNAFU. The only other high memory CUDA based cards currently available are the Quadro Series P5000 16 GB (2,500$) and P6000 24 GB (5,300$) which are pretty much out of the budget of most of us here. Why they removed the Pascal Titan-X from the GTX line is anyone's guess.
Maybe it's time to download the latest patch for Reality4. If I'm going to remain in the slow rendering lane, at least I can shut the scene and Daz programme down once Lux is in control of the process.
That leaves me to the big question: do I jump on a second (even third) 980Ti while they are pretty cheap on the second hand market?
I have a MSI 980Ti OC by MSI. It is a fast one. Many users a trying to sell theirs at around 300eur. than means that I can have 3x my actual render power for just 600eur.
If I buy only ONE 1080 Ti, itt'll give me just a 130% power increase for a (awful) 1000eur, and if I convert my actual 980Ti to Pascal (selling maxwell buying pascal) itt'll cost me 700eur for a (tiny) 30% performance increase.
Ouch.
I actually only do renders of ONE or TWO characters, mostly without set/background. Do I need the additional 4GB?
(PS, the actual pascal Ttan seems to render just 10 to 20% faster than my MSI 980ti, and the 1080 GTX seems to be 15% slower, so I guess that a stock 1080ti is 20% faster and a OC will be 30% faster. those numbers sound realistic)
A 980Ti will work just fine for those kinds of renders boisselazon, I think the recommended minimum is 2GB for a single figure so it's no problem.
what software should I use to know the IRAY memory usage (of the graphic card)?
GPU-Z
I am thinking of getting a new 10 series card at some point, or grabbing an older 9 series for a knock down price. However I will wait until after Christmas when a flood of older cards will likely hit the second hand market from all those people that got new cards for Christmas. I am also waiting until the latest DS 4.9 version that supports the newer cards goes on full release. I prefer to do my work on a stable release, not a beta.