LAMH: Should I buy it?
exstarsis
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Hello lovely helpful wonderful forum.
Look At My Hair is in my cart for $17.98, which is quite a savings. When I look at the Big Thread, I mostly see.... problems. Crashy washy problems and lots of complexity and.... I worry. What if I want to make eyebrows? Like, big, bushy eyebrows. Monobrows. Bushy chest hair. Hairy nostrils. Serious leg fluff. Does anybody have pictures of stuff like that they've done? Happy stories of it Just Working? If you have LAMH, what do you use it for? What do you love about it?
PS: I have the LAMH Player, Real Fur for Big Cats and the adorable wolfie oh he's so cute who's a good wolf who YOU ARE ahem. Creating fur for a whole animal seems like a ton of work!
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LAMH is buggy, prone to crashing for a number of nonintuitive things. It can be hard to 'brush' the hair, hard to learn.
All that said, there's nothing else that comes close to doing what LAMH can do, and I have no regrets purchasing it. It's capable of simply amazing things.
(You'll find that a lot of cool extensions are like this -- hard to use and a little crashy, but the results are amazing)
Yes, even if you don't create your own hair, fibre mesh hair, eyebrows, and so on are becoming more common, not less. Eventually you'll learn to use it and like it.
Consider this...if you became competent at using LAMH, look at all the money you'd save on hairdos and eyebrows alone besides creating unique hair that keeps your renders from looking like most every other render out there.
I find LAMH easiest to use if you are doing fairly homogeneous stuff, like fur or big poofy hair or whatnot. That is, where I don't have to precisely clip or style the hair, but just make everything curly or whatever.
Here is a hunting drake with LAMH fur I made myself. I tweaked it a little bit, but for the most part was able to just generate fur and do a simple uniform styling thing.
http://willbear.deviantart.com/art/Hunting-drake-619381844
You can also do crazier things: http://willbear.deviantart.com/art/Hair-whirl-619213833
Eeek! That Hair Whirl looks like a beast on the CPU!
I bought LAMH and have had no issues with it. I don't always use, only for animals with fur (wolf, fox, etc). I like it as it does give it a better look than if you didn't use it.
Relatively steep learing curve and it crashes all the time for me. I would still buy it again. Great customer support and when I can get it to work, it works really really well. Part of it is user error (steep learning curve) part of it is, its still a work in progress and I know they are working on updates all the time. So I am assuming that the stability issues will get less and less as they keep improving things.
How long has it been out?
It is worth noting that the developers are very active/responsive/helpful in the official thread:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/1711886
IMHO, I would buy it - I did lol.
- Greg
No idea but its been awhile. It was originally 3delight only and since Iray came out they have been making changes so that we can use it in Iray as well. I know they are currently working on making the Iray part better and easier to use inside of Daz Studio. They are super good about helping figure out what's going wrong and walking me through it to get it to work. I'm pretty sure they have the patience of saints lol.
It came out in 2012, I think. The free Player may have been a little later.
I've never got it to work satisfactorily once I upgraded Studio beyond the version I had when I first got it (it worked fine then, although crashy), but this is a product where just about everyone's milage tends to vary. And vary widely.
If you have any interest in using it for Iray, it's VERY much worth buying so you can get fiberhair conversion (which is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more efficient than convert to obj)
Personally, I prefer to stick to 3DL when using LAMH whenever possible, because it's... well, way easier. (At least until whenever new version drops)
Can it handle recreating things like Rapunzel from Tangled?
I don't care for it personally. I use the free player and it is fine but I'm kind of neutral about fiber mesh.
If you like wolfie, check out the bear cubs. They are weapons-grade cute.
Cheers,
Alex.
Bear cubs!
what's this about fibremesh conversion and efficiency?
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That is a "yes, but". Can it be done? Yes. Is it recommended? Depends on your tolerance for frustration. I personally have done it as a test, but I wouldn't tell someone else to try it (yet). The tools for such long hair are not there in the 1.x series. DisparateDreamer has posted images of figures with ground length hair in the past.
Kendall
I normally stay out of the "should I buy" threads, however.... There are many, many thousands of LAMH users that have never posted in the forums. The number of posts that that thread represents is a very small fraction of the LAMH userbase. The 1.x series can be a bit tempermental ATM (depending on the machine/environment) and we are working to try to remedy that. Some people run with very few problems, while other people experience some problems that are more than they wish to deal with. We are torn by trying to support the 1.x issues as well as create a new great experience for the next release.
Kendall
I want to reiterate that despite the problems that I personally have with my particular set up and machine I would still recommend it because despite the frustration its still worth it. And as time goes by and they continue to work on improvements and stability issues its going to be even more worth it.
I totally agree with you! While I think the concept is great, I have only gotten it to work 2 times to satisfactory results in all the time I have had it. I find the UI non intuitive and really tricky going from creating the fiber hair object to tweaking it again, Seems like you need to get it right the first time or start from scratch again, LOL. I see great results on animals, but I would use it for people mostly and really haven't seen any great examples of that yet.
Male Hair and Beard. PA hasn't put the preset into the store yet.
Kendall
Regarding people... I find it good for relatively uniform hair or simply arranged hair, like a moptop or wild tangles or various kinds of afros. One of the key parts is either using a hair cap, or otherwise using a good existing map for hair density you can easily plop in -- saves a lot of work.
I've also had some luck with using it for vellus hair, but I'm not entirely sure it's worth generating vellus hair (and I have several other products that do it. ;)
Video is super for the iRay hair.
Personally, I've only had a few minor issues with LAMH and I can almost certainly claim user error for all of them. I haven't had any major issues with crashing and the one time it did crash, I'm sure it was my fault and not something I could repeat. I had one issue with a corrupt file, but I have no idea if that was a DS issue or a LAMH issue. Despite, those small issues, I think it is a good investment. You can check out my thread here for a kind of tutorial and exposé of my first experience making my own LAMH preset from scratch. While done for a kind of animal, it might be helpful. Once I get my system back up to speed, I do have a tutorial for a simple hairstyle in the works as well as one for a beard and mustache planned.
Can anybody with the player use a LAMH preset?
The player will use LAMH presets. It will not create new hair, and is restricted to raw OBJ output instead of the much more efficient LAMH FiberHair.
Kendall
I would love to get mine to work. I bought it last winter before I knew what I was doing in DAZ, and still can't get the full version to activate correctly and work. It looks very promising. I will try again soon, as I'd love to use some of the animal presets and get my Lord of the Snow guy looking right.
If you are having problems activating, contact us with the info in email (DO NOT PUT IT HERE!). ATM, Alessandro_AM would be the better one to contact as I am still very much overwhelmed by other duties and am not in a position to get to it in a timely fashion.
Kendall
This hair took about 15-20 minutes to fiddle with. Rendered in 3DL
I just looked through the manual and it said something about using fiber mesh hair only for other renderers, nothing about iray?
One needs to export to obj for Iray....and it can get pretty processor intensive ;). How-to here.
Laurie