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In that case, brace for impact! Kinda agree on Linux. That's why I made the point earlier that it's a bit funny when people scared of the Windows registry then say they'd prefer Linux. Granted it's a lot easier these days, but even if you arrive without much hassle inside a fancy UI... chances are a lot of stuff won't work and what follows is way, way more anal than toying around in some registry.
Interesting since Mint(which is what I run with the Cinnamon desktop and use exclusively for internet) is based entirely on Ubuntu that being said Ubuntu did have a crappy UI that was being installed by default for a while and has since been dropped
As for the number of distros most people don't look any farther than Debian, Fedora/Redhat, Ubuntu, or Mint
Very few people use the command line anymore as almost all Linux programs can be installed through the software manager but just like Windows if you need to debug something you need to use the command line for the advanced options
There's a Linux equivelant for almost any program out there
And you can even run Microsoft Office in Linux if you want to as well you just use the Web version it even works on Macs and Android(which is Linux based)
Nephew plugged one in last week while his system was powered up cost him a one year old Samsung monitor as well as the new (2 month old) $900.00 Nvidia card and his new just bought $1300.00 4k monitor
He said that everything just went black he was able to do a remote shutdown using his server and after testing found out the bad news as to what was dead
Yeah, I've heard that before, but I can give you a list of many of my main apps that don't have an equivalent:
Now, you can install Wine or CrossOver (paid) and run Windows apps that way, but you have to really like Linux to go to all that trouble, IMO. And yeah, you can find stuff that does similar functions and runs in Linux, but that doesn't mean they are equivalent.
Nuke? I think all Foundry software runs on Linux.
That could be. Maybe I was thinking of something else.
BTW, regarding the belief that you don't have to use command line in Linux to install software. Here's a video of installing Davinci Resolve (which I use for video editing) on Linux. Tons of command line commands. My recollection is that many or most of the software I installed required command line "sudo apt-get" stuff to download and install
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bEyGhm9Gj8
Just came across this:
http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com/news/news-articles/linux-hollywood/381003
Pretty interesting. Didn't know Linux was dominating in the VFX business.
Yeah, I didn't know that either. I did know that it's the worlds largest OS though. Not only most of the servers around the world use it, but also I recall that Android is based on it. But I didn't know that graphics software used by the big boys is common on Linux. Heck, are there even hardware drivers for GPU's and all the rendering and compositing hardware and software?
Oh wait, that article is from 2012. I wonder if it still applies....
Doubt they would have switched to Windows in the meantime. I know Mari was first developed as an inhouse linux software for Weta Digital. What suprises me most about linux workstations for CG is no Photoshop or ZBrush.
https://alternativeto.net/software/visual-studio/?platform=linux
Visual Studio Code which was developed by microsoft
Gimp actually works better than Photoshop (which I used to use) and will use Photoshop plugins and I don't have to subscribe to it and be online to use it
I've only had to use the apt get command twice in the last five years and that was to download from a different repository as I wanted the newer version than the one in the software manager
And more people are having sucess with Daz using Wine which not perfect isn't very hard to use
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Yes, I fried a port on a card a while ago when I plugged in a monitor while the system was running.
Robert,
There's no question there are ways to use Linux and have "similar" functionality. But that doesn't mean it's a better alternative. There is no reason, whatsoever, for me or many other Windows users to go thru all the hassle and loss of functionality to move to Linux. Sure, we CAN. But is there a reason to? I tried it, and decided clearly there's no reason. The linux alternative to Visual Studio is terrible. I tried it. And I hate Gimp. I tried it, and as much as I dislike PS it's preferable to me.
But the bottom line is why? What does linux offer that Windows doesn't? Yeah, it's free, but a Windows license is peanuts. And yeah, it doesn't have the commercial stuff and useless features that clutter Windows. And it does take less memory. But if none of that matters to you, I just don't see a reason to switch. Now, if some people like linux for whatever reason, then fine. But like doesn't necessarily mean better.
Yeah I'm sure you're right. I think what linux offers the big studios is that it's open source so anyone can go in and modify it to meet their needs. I think the big studios probably have tons of custom setups for render servers and for all the teams of people working together, and they probably need a team of high tech computer guys making a lot of custom apps and scripts and stuff. And linux doesn't have all the bloatware that comes with Windows.
True it's a matter of preferance as to what one's willing to do or put up with
I use both and for some of the same reasons that you've mentioned but if Daz made a Linux version of Studio I'd dump Windows on my 3d machine and probably on my video editing machine as well since there's only one video editing program on it that won't work in Linux YET
As to why Linux is much stabler and more secure than windows
But it's very limited compared to the Windows version. No visual GUI editor for example.
Yeah, maybe if you're a super-hard-core coder who doesn't need all the tons of features and libraries available for Visual Studio, then maybe the linux version is workable. But I tried it and thought it was a joke.
Personally, I am VERY impressed with the Windows Visual Studio. It's one thing that Microsoft did an amazing job on. And with all the libraries available out there it can't be beat. But the Linux "Code" version caused me to throw up my hands and toss it after a couple hours of trying it. It's a bit like using Notepad to write C code.
...but not for Daz, Hexagon, or Carrara. Modo and Maya support Linux, but that takes winning a lotto for me.
...and don't get me started on Blender.
...200$ for a W10 Pro licence is not "peanuts" when you are on a limited income.
...what gets me is why can't MS offer a basic core OS that has a simple functional GUI without all the excess feature bloat?
I don't think the Vram reservation "Problem" has a lot to do with Display Output reservation
I rather think it has something to do with DX12 and the possibility to share GPU ressources with Vulkan API
There are also certainly some new features that we don't know/use that need that
The problem with Linux is rather for me to get the same behaviour as what I would get in Windows or use it with other habits. You sometimes have to do some coding for that. But the same goes with Windows. The native Multidesktop is something that you don't have in Win7 for example
There is also the software aspect : many software that I use need compiling from source. And there you can have problems with your system libraries and dependencies. That gives me more hassle to maintain than Windows
Why would you pay $200 for a W10 Pro license??
First, Microsoft allows you to use Windows 10 without providing an activation key, and use it for free forever. The only downside is a small pop up that comes up every once in a while saying it's not activated. Presumably MS is happy for you to have their OS for free because of all the other benefits they get.
Here's an explanation from How-to-Geek:
https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/
That's what I did for a long time. And then I found that you can buy a legit Windows OEM key from bulk re-sellers for $20 (Home) or $30 (Pro). The way I understand it, Microsoft sells bulk licenses to OEM's at a big discount, and they can re-sell them. Which MS probably doesn't care about since Windows 10 can be used without a key anyway, like I mentioned above.
There are package managers that can do that for you you know?
Because Microsoft is a for-profit company, and they need to make money. And it's the feature bloat that gives them revenue. There's huge money in getting user data for targeted sales of stuff.
And let's face it, desktop OS's don't need to do much, just support your applications. So how do they get everyone excited to buy new versions? They have to add features and make you think you need them, which you probably don't.
Takeo.Kensei, again you seem to be missing the point. Yes, there are other apps that run on Linux and can do similar stuff. But the question remains:
WHY??
Why go thru the hassle? What is the benefit of Linux that makes it worth the hassle? I'm used to DAZ Studio and Visual Studio and Photoshop and so on, and I have stuff I developed in those apps. So now I 'd have to, for some reason, figure how to get that stuff moved over, and figure out how to use those new apps, and go thru all of that hassle?
Now if Linux had some amazing features that I couldn't do without compared to Windows, then yeah, maybe. But it doesn't. I've used Linux. Multiple versions. And it gives me nothing but hassles. And I suspect most users are in the same boat.
Now for those who love the challenge of a new technology, then fine, maybe it's worth it. But I want to get stuff done, not spend my time trying to figure out how to do simple stuff in some new OS.
Performance ? For certain applications, you can see a performance gain in Linux (no bloatware you know)
Security ? No possible comparison here
Features ? There are things you can't do with Windows. But that's not something casual users do
Softwares ? There are some softwares that are NOT available in Windows and no equivalent possible. (Yes the opposite of what people are seeking when going to Linux)
If you just want Photoshop + DS + Nuke + VS C# dev then you don't need anything else than Windows
Yeah, I've heard those arguments about security and performance and so on. But honestly, with the apps that most of us use, is there any significant performance improvement? I really doubt it.
And regarding security...Linux is the most used OS on the planet, in some of the most important applications (servers, etc.). I have no clue about hacking, but I find it hard to believe that Linux isn't a huge target of hackers. Yeah, each installation requires admin rights to do anything, but so what? I'm not convinced that it is more secure than Windows, especially in the future.
Oh, and software available on Linux but not Windows? Um, no, that's not an issue for the vast majority of users I imagine.
And by the way, google "is linux more secure than windows" and you'll find pages and pages of explanations why it isn't. Of course you take stuff like this with a grain of salt, but I think it's just one of those myths that people want to believe, but don't really have much data to back it up.
Here's an interesting article explaining some of the misconceptions about Linux security, just written a few months ago:
http://blog.trendmicro.com/linux-is-secureright/
Yknow it occurs to me that if there are some D|S users out there who also use Linux on their machines, maybe they can verify that there is a gain in VRAM usage by doing Iray with a GPU on a Linux machine, versus a Windows machine. Maybe that would be the feature that really matters to some here and make a change worth the hassle....
I won't try to convince you anyway because I don't see the need and your goals and uses of Linux are different than mine
However I don't see any misconception. The article has the same conclusion. Linux is more secure. Nobody said it has no security hole. If you want my opinion, it's a lot of writings just to lead to the obvious
And if you followed recent big security issues with Crytovirus spreading and blocking big companies, you'd see that it was on Windows only.