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  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,955
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    I can say with some certainty that a network connected power outlet is a very nice convenience.

    Cursive is nonsense; I'm thrilled my kids won't be subjected to that torture.

    The idea that if basic civilization broke down folks who enjoy and rely on technology would be helpless and death-prone is as absurd as the idea that basic civilization would break down in the first place.  Look, civilization has a really high level of inertia.  It can break down in small pockets briefly, but the whole flows on without pause.

    So anyway, there will be IoT snake oil sales folks.  But their existence doesn't mean IoT is snake oil, anymore than 419 scammers mean the Internet is snake oil.

    Lastly, I want to thank the OP; I'm actually part of my company's pre-emptive DDoS mitigation software development team, and that source code gave us some really good examples of 'real world' attacks.  We would have run into it soon enough, but I was able to get key insights into the code before anyone in management knew it existed.

    Totally wacky that my hobby would collide with my work like that, but thanks! :)

    --  Morgan

    Quoted for complete agreementsmiley

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,114

    Yeah, again, I have a hard time imagining a disaster that would require us to resurrect hunter gatherer skills without also turning the world into bands of roving cannibals and most of us dying quickly.

     

  • 3Dstories Matey3Dstories Matey Posts: 17
    edited October 2016
    kyoto kid said:

    ...the sad thing with getting your news outside the Net is most mainstream broadcast sources are very biased these days and more into providing "infotainment" than information and facts.  Even the "printed" sources (those which remain) have slipped more into sensationalism and opinion than actual straight news reporting.

    With the demise of the print medium, people would actually be far less informed and more aisly manipulated as all they would have to depend on are the commercial electronic broadcast sources like the 3 big networks, CNN, and Fox.

    I was discussing this with my brother. The news and bad reporting. There's a fellow out there doing internet marketing. Suposedly he used to be a newsman or weatherman - meterologist.  His observation says that sometime in the 1990s mainstream news switched from emphasizing content to going for style and glamour.  Now they're actually worried as their target audience for factual news is starting to spend more time on YouTube looking for bloggers and videographers who tell the truth with less opinion.  They're style may be amateurish, but they have the content. 

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,855
    timmins.william said:

    Yeah, again, I have a hard time imagining a disaster that would require us to resurrect hunter gatherer skills without also turning the world into bands of roving cannibals and most of us dying quickly.

     

    Hello!!! Zombie apocolypse, world wide plague, dino ressurection, global weather event!!! LOL (<-JK)

    I actually love post apocalyptic movies and wonder how it would really be if the infrastructure and govt collasped and I had to fend for myself, LOL

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    FSMCDesigns said:
    timmins.william said:

    Yeah, again, I have a hard time imagining a disaster that would require us to resurrect hunter gatherer skills without also turning the world into bands of roving cannibals and most of us dying quickly.

     

    Hello!!! Zombie apocolypse, world wide plague, dino ressurection, global weather event!!! LOL (<-JK)

    I actually love post apocalyptic movies and wonder how it would really be if the infrastructure and govt collasped and I had to fend for myself, LOL

    Well for a start your fridge would run out of toilet paper or something.

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,955

    "Now they're actually worried as their target audience for factual news is starting to spend more time on YouTube looking for bloggers and videographers who tell the truth with less opinion.  They're style may be amateurish, but they have the content. "

    The problem with the "independant" youtube news sources is the youtube monetization policy.
    Many of the popular youtube "vloggers"
    monetize their videos, via Ad revenue sharing, in partnership with Google.

    Google has never actually made a profit from  youtube since aquiring it a decade ago and has recently announced it will be Pulling the monetization of uploads that are not "Business friendly"

    I shall leave it others to draw thier own conclusions about the
    effect this may have on what Vloggers upload if they wish to keep their
    Ad derived income.
      

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    timmins.william said:

    Haha.

     

    Stryder87 said:
    timmins.william said:

    Also, I can't believe they don't teach people how to properly fix wagon wheels.

     

    Bite, swallow, bite swallow, repeat until gone.  laugh

     

    Haha

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,312

    ...yeslaugh

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,312

     

    wolf359 said:

    "Now they're actually worried as their target audience for factual news is starting to spend more time on YouTube looking for bloggers and videographers who tell the truth with less opinion.  They're style may be amateurish, but they have the content. "

    The problem with the "independant" youtube news sources is the youtube monetization policy.
    Many of the popular youtube "vloggers"
    monetize their videos, via Ad revenue sharing, in partnership with Google.

    Google has never actually made a profit from  youtube since aquiring it a decade ago and has recently announced it will be Pulling the monetization of uploads that are not "Business friendly"

    I shall leave it others to draw thier own conclusions about the
    effect this may have on what Vloggers upload if they wish to keep their
    Ad derived income.
      

    ...there are other video sites besides YouTube.

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,955
    edited October 2016
    kyoto kid said:

     

    wolf359 said:

    "Now they're actually worried as their target audience for factual news is starting to spend more time on YouTube looking for bloggers and videographers who tell the truth with less opinion.  They're style may be amateurish, but they have the content. "

    The problem with the "independant" youtube news sources is the youtube monetization policy.
    Many of the popular youtube "vloggers"
    monetize their videos, via Ad revenue sharing, in partnership with Google.

    Google has never actually made a profit from  youtube since aquiring it a decade ago and has recently announced it will be Pulling the monetization of uploads that are not "Business friendly"

    I shall leave it others to draw thier own conclusions about the
    effect this may have on what Vloggers upload if they wish to keep their
    Ad derived income.
      

    ...there are other video sites besides YouTube.

    Thankfully!! youtube is a bit of a cesspool cool

    I always send my potential animation clients to my private VIMEO page.

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  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,211
    edited October 2016
    timmins.william said:

    Yeah, again, I have a hard time imagining a disaster that would require us to resurrect hunter gatherer skills without also turning the world into bands of roving cannibals and most of us dying quickly.

     

    Ever heard of an EMP? Or a Solar Flare large enough to disrupt the electrical grid? You take away electricity from the world or a nation and it will no longer be able to substain itself. 

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  • JimbowJimbow Posts: 557

    Yosemite National Park: What to do if you see a bear.

    Park rangers know how to scare a bear away. The general rule is to make yourself as big as possible and as loud as possible. Apex predators aren't used to that kind of behaviour (and we're not the apex predators contrary to popular opinion, we're at 2.21 on a scale of 1 to 5: we just bluff well).

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,114
    shadowhawk1 said:

    Ever heard of an EMP? Or a Solar Flare large enough to disrupt the electrical grid? You take away electricity from the world or a nation and it will no longer be able to substain itself. 

    At which point everything collapses and cannibal time, at which point things like cursive writing will be reeeeeeally low on the priority list.

    And it's not like hunting skills are going to sustain this population, unless, again, you're hunting long pig.

     

  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,211
    timmins.william said:
    shadowhawk1 said:

    Ever heard of an EMP? Or a Solar Flare large enough to disrupt the electrical grid? You take away electricity from the world or a nation and it will no longer be able to substain itself. 

    At which point everything collapses and cannibal time, at which point things like cursive writing will be reeeeeeally low on the priority list.

    And it's not like hunting skills are going to sustain this population, unless, again, you're hunting long pig.

     

    OK Tim, I am having a real head scratcher here. How does an EMP cause Canabilism? I was never talking about cursive writing, I pointed out the over reliance on the internet and smart devices. Well I can tell you that hunting skills will sustain my family. My boys can fish and clean what they catch, I haven't been home long enough to teach them to hunt deer, rabbits and squirrels yet. I think people have seen WAY to many zombie movies! Oh my wife also knows how to can fruits and vegitables. Not sure where this whole hunting humans thing comes in ...

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,114

    The population of the US relies on agriculture. We do not have enough wild game and fish to sustain a population of 321 million people.

    Right now, sure, you and others can survive on hunting and fishing... because people doing that represent a fairly tiny slice of the entire population.

    If distribution chains get completely messed up and people don't have somewhere to buy food, now you are fishing and hunting along with several million other locals.

     

    At which point your main skills will ultimately be how to claim a territory as a feudal warlord to sustain the serfs farming your land.

     

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337
    edited October 2016

    I find our reliance on the net with electronic communication and info gathering to be one of the biggest problems a future generation might face if those crutches were ever taken away,  and trust me it wouldn't be that difficult to imagine a situation where they could be taken away.   If you've ever lived in an area where you've experienced a pwr outage that lasted for more than a day, you begin to get the picture.  In this day and age of "rugged individualism"  we've to a large extent made a break down of society much more plausible

    For someone my age,  it's super distressing to see the reemergence of another cold war with all the paronoia that scenario brought on.  You want to see some films that tried to show what a breakdown of society might look like check out some of the films of that era.

    The Day After   1983
    Threads     1984
    The War Game 1965
     

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  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,211
    timmins.william said:

    The population of the US relies on agriculture. We do not have enough wild game and fish to sustain a population of 321 million people.

    Right now, sure, you and others can survive on hunting and fishing... because people doing that represent a fairly tiny slice of the entire population.

    If distribution chains get completely messed up and people don't have somewhere to buy food, now you are fishing and hunting along with several million other locals.

     

    At which point your main skills will ultimately be how to claim a territory as a feudal warlord to sustain the serfs farming your land.

     

    Will, please don't take this wrong, but if the world economy crashes my only concern will be to take care of my family. if that means staking out a territory and defending it with others that have similar skills than that is what I will do. But I think you have been watching to much of The Walking Dead, if you think things will regress that far. You can bring people together without going back to the whole warlord/serf dynamic. I think if you really look at the numbers though you will find that there are a lot more people that hunt and fish, even if it is just sports fishing. I do think that if there is an economic colapse you will see bands of people trying to loot and steal from those that are more self suficient

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337

     

    shadowhawk1 said:

    Will, please don't take this wrong, but if the world economy crashes my only concern will be to take care of my family. if that means staking out a territory and defending it with others that have similar skills than that is what I will do. But I think you have been watching to much of The Walking Dead, if you think things will regress that far. You can bring people together without going back to the whole warlord/serf dynamic. I think if you really look at the numbers though you will find that there are a lot more people that hunt and fish, even if it is just sports fishing. I do think that if there is an economic colapse you will see bands of people trying to loot and steal from those that are more self suficient

    The self suficient tend to be better organized, and better equipped to defend themselves than the average looter.  I believe that in the case of a breakdown of society,  we'll see Herbert Spencer's "Survival of the fittest"  in full effect.  While in the past scavengers might have been able to last for a time,  today we have a lot of people who are simply not capable of taking care of themselves.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 110,867

    We need to ask you all to drop the self-sufficiency/post-apcalypse survival stuff  -it's getting a bit too pointed and political.

  • HaslorHaslor Posts: 408
    edited October 2016
    timmins.william said:

    Eh, it'd be nice to know if I'm in the grocery store to remember 'wait, do we still have that second container of milk?'

    Or to have a list that automatically updates as we run out of stuff. Or whatever.

     

    Do we 'need' it? That's a really finicky thing. I mean, do we need fridges?

     

    I thought I had an app for that, wait no sorry, I'm was mistaken, that is my brain.

    I like my computer, but I don't want my water heater, heating system, and the rest of my house on the Net.

    If I can log into it and turn things off and off, then other people can hack into it and turn things on and off, or how about the power company saying you hose it too warm, so we will turn down the Termostat. or you left your computer on, we will turn it off for you. 

    Hasn't anyone seen Movies where the Smart House is used against you? Or how about Colossus: the Forbin Project?

    Or Stichers where they Hack into the Network enabled Car?

    That is what Scares me about Self Driving Cars. I think I want my 73 Basic Rabbit Back, four wheel and a box. Computer HA!
     

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  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,955
    edited October 2016

    "Or how about Colossus: the Forbin Project?"


    That was actually a great movie for the Era..a classic!!yes

    I use a grocery app on my Android Phone in which I have input the prices of everything I normally buy.
    Its a master "pick list" that is very convenient for managing my food budget
    as it keeps an accurate tally of everything toss into the cart.

    I dont write anything by hand anymore and dont consider it some "lost skill"

    My  two adult children barely remember the waning Days of the VCR back when I was still married and they were toddlers
     They stream everything liberating them from the restricitions of network schedules.

    Technology helps me perfrom mundane, time intensive tasks more efficiently
    and frees me up for my artisic/creative efforts.
     it is not a "crutch " that is weaking me but a liberator.

    I dont fear it all "going away" any more so than I fear loosing my legs
    as I presumptuously plan my daily bipedal activity..I dont own a car

    As far as this gratuitous notion that the younger generation is somehow too dependant on technological advances. I say nonsense.. Sorrycheeky

    I am certain the "out house generation" made similar claims about the
    Spoiled, lazy "indoor plumbing generation" that suceeded them  

    That Adam conover Video I posted earlier in the thread
    Explains how this bizzare psychological phenomenon
    occurs with every generation when they look at the ones here to replace them.

     

     

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