Vendors please don't do this
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Something I've noticed with all these "Please Stop Doing This" threads to PAs is that the PAs always seem to have a solid reason as to why they do what they do. Much like selling skimpware, the rebuttle to these always seems to be "that's what works" and taking it away would prove to be significantly detrimental.
To that I have to ask: really, people? Is EVERYTHING in this business made to be so specific that the slightest variation is a world of risk? I'm not trying to provoke anything, I'm legit beginning to get that impression.
Yes, but if they had a compelling reason, why would they abandon that just because you say boo? You need to make a case, if you expect them to prefer your idea.
There is an easy way for customers to voice their opinion. Don't buy the items that offend them. I already do this with a couple of vendors here.
Do those vendors know who they are and / or why I don't buy from them? Nope. Would they care if they did know? Maybe.
If you want to execute a change, you have to be speaking the same language. They want to get paid, I am buying. That is the mutual language.
True but the one PA I absolutely don't buy from is his(I think) attitude. It's a hobby, on the whole, and as a customer I at least expect respect; it's rare on Daz forums to not get it, but it does happen. I try to respect everyone, as a customer we can be occasionally objectionable - that is the risk those that deal with customers have. It is unusual to get it the other way round.
+1
Also please consider the possibility that many vendors may not be doing this as a sole source of income.
In fact considering how often their work is so severely discounted by Daz's various promotions/discounts/schemes,along with a product shelf life cut even shorter by the alacritous rate at which their product appears on the torrent sites,I find it very hard to believe the majority are making ends meet ,doing only this, unless they are living under conditions of extreme austerity.
Another aspect ,I personally find bothersome, is the somewhat threatening mob tone of some of some of these "complaint "threads about PA's and Daz Inc. themselves.
I understand how capitalism works
But frankly this is largely a hobbyists market.
I doubt if many of the issues raised in these
Threads are actually adversely affecting any of the users livelyhoods
In fact most of these crisis seem to involve peoples fears that their personal content mangement schemes will be upturned in some fashion that makes it more diffcult to navigate their massive hoards of rarely used content, most of which was purchased on impulse,not for any vital commercial use or output.
The saying that "if you always do what you always did, you always get what you always got" has a lot of truth in it. Sure there is a risk to changing things, and change is something that we as humans seem to abhor; yet change can be good. Indeed if change hadn't been incredibly beneficial many times, we'd all not just be still creating cave paintings, but living is those caves too.
Often requests are made with various degrees of politeness, and the response (almost?) always seems to be no (the word no is never used so bluntly, but that is the meaning behinds the words). I put 'almost' in brackets as while I can't think of an occurance it is certainly possible I missed one.
I certainly have ideas I think the PAs should consider, and I think there are biases or ambiguities that can confirm ideas that aren't necessarily true.
But I understand that PAs can naturally think otherwise, that other customers are asking for other things, that customers don't necessarily know what will work, or what they will ACTUALLY buy vs. they claim to want, etc.
So long as everyone is polite, hey, let's share the love.
And if someone is being a colossal putz, ignore them and don't buy their stuff.
Agreed.
Will, what I think it boils down to is that many vendors feel they need reliable income (the "skimpwear", if you will) versus the risky, potentially unstable income (school uniforms, military uniforms, etc.).
Maybe when comments like these are brought to the forums and other forum members other than the OP agree with them making it a big discussion the PA's begin to feel overwhelmed and attacked? Not that the concerns brought up aren't valid but sometimes these discussions take a bad turn for the worst.
It doesn't help that some individuals purposely dig the thorn in a little deeper with the facade of knowing and caring about what's best for the group, which does not help either side actually. It only stirs up more frustration by those who feel that their concerns are not being taken seriously. PA and customer alike.
Yes, I can see how this could impact a person's workspace, if you pay your hard earned dollars for something you are not looking for anything that is going to inconvenience you in any way, just wanting what you paid for. It's plain and simple. For some people this issue is enough of an inconvenience for them to voice their opinion, let them do that without demeaning them or their issue at hand.
Also understand that the PA's may or may not change their behavior, they have a reason for doing what they do, and most times the reason is a very legitimate one.
Hopefully though, if any see this they take what the OP has to say with serious thought since this is a problem that directly affects what they add to their product and what it is doing with the customer's program.
Personally I only leaped into the coversation because of this ^
The situation Taozen presents here (and its many permutations which I won't rattle on about) irk the snot out of me. Only because of how much more difficult it makes my work flow process. That's why I presented my personal work around. It works for me and, understandbly, probably won't work for most other people. I have no marriage to my method... and if someone presents a better method, I would quickly switch ships.
With that said, I am bowing out of the conversation.
If you understand how capitalism works and its largely a hobbysist market it doesn't really matter if it adversly affect our livelyhoods. It does matter if us silly hobbyists stop buying something from you. Its largely our hobbyist money being used to purchase all of those not used hoards of content that we purchased on impulse. In my case many thousands of dollars. I'm actually really offended by this comment. You are making huge, really negative assumptions about the majority of the people who buy product (see your quote above). You have no idea what we may or may not be doing with it whether we are hobbyists or not.
We appreciate your feelings on the topic being discussed and feel the discussion has fully explored both sides of the debate. At this point (in reference to how the Connect is handling the deletion) you could put in a feature request via a support ticket as that would be something that needs to be considered for implementation on Daz 3Ds end. On the vendor end, vendors are now able to come and read everyone's feelings on the topic and decide how they feel is best to respond. Continuing the discussion is more likely to create an argument than open up new perspectives at this point and as such we have decided to lock the thread.