It is way, way, way, WAY, **WAY** too easy to accidently click one thing and destroy the UI

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,084

    I know the issue has been discussed for two years but since I recently went through a similar situation, I would have liked to have had a permanently visible "Oops" or an "OMG" button that would undo what the heck I just did.  Perhaps when making changes to the layout they could automatically get recorded in a history stack like image edits? enlightened

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221
    edited August 2018

    Since we've got this thread active again, I'd like to throw my 2 cents in. When I've been using DS and moving from folder to folder, I like to right-click on the DazStudioFormats folder and choose Refresh. It closes all the folders and makes everything neat and orderly. The only problem I have is that the option right above it is Remove Base Directories. I don't know what that is, but it sounds like something I'll click by accident and then have a really bad day from then on. It seems like something they should make harder to get to, so people don't click it by accident.

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,748
    Kitsumo said:

    Since we've got this thread active again, I'd like to throw my 2 cents in. When I've been using DS and moving from folder to folder, I like to right-click on the DazStudioFormats folder and choose Refresh. It closes all the folders and makes everything neat and orderly. The only problem I have is that the option right above it is Remove Base Directories. I don't know what that is, but it sounds like something I'll click by accident and then have a really bad day from then on. It seems like something they should make harder to get to, so people don't click it by accident.

    daz studio ui

    For the record, there is no undo for this button.  Ask me how I know. 

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,084
    Kitsumo said:

    Since we've got this thread active again, I'd like to throw my 2 cents in. When I've been using DS and moving from folder to folder, I like to right-click on the DazStudioFormats folder and choose Refresh. It closes all the folders and makes everything neat and orderly. The only problem I have is that the option right above it is Remove Base Directories. I don't know what that is, but it sounds like something I'll click by accident and then have a really bad day from then on. It seems like something they should make harder to get to, so people don't click it by accident.

    daz studio ui

    For the record, there is no undo for this button.  Ask me how I know. 

    I would hope that it has a cautionary "Are you sure?" query before letting you shoot yourself in the foot.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,748
    Kitsumo said:

    Since we've got this thread active again, I'd like to throw my 2 cents in. When I've been using DS and moving from folder to folder, I like to right-click on the DazStudioFormats folder and choose Refresh. It closes all the folders and makes everything neat and orderly. The only problem I have is that the option right above it is Remove Base Directories. I don't know what that is, but it sounds like something I'll click by accident and then have a really bad day from then on. It seems like something they should make harder to get to, so people don't click it by accident.

    daz studio ui

    For the record, there is no undo for this button.  Ask me how I know. 

    I would hope that it has a cautionary "Are you sure?" query before letting you shoot yourself in the foot

    Nope. I don't believe so.  Not pushing it again to make sure either lol.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,058

    I hate how easily windows dock in odd places and making undockable does not carry over to next time you open it

    worse many plugins can get their floating panels stuck offscreen 

    Octane render shader node panel in particular drives me nuts with this and there are a fair few other scripts and plugins that do it too.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    As a new user myself, I do wish there where a way to lock those. I literally never have use for them - though I can see why others might, just to give a bigger picture of what they are working on without the UI being so intrusive on the scene. I also have an issue where I'll go to click on one of the tabs, not realizing I already have it opened, and it collapses it. I know these are just newbie mistakes, but when you do that the first couple of times before you realize what it is, it kind of puts you in panic mode - What did I DO!? Where did my panels go!? lol Having an option to lock tabs in place or make them uncollapsible would be cool. :) I bet most people actually don't even use the collapse option, so it could even be the default and have it an option to turn collapsibility on. *shrug* 

    Only time I use them is when scripting; don't get me started on the scripting UI, though.

  • macleanmaclean Posts: 2,438
    th3Digit said:

    I hate how easily windows dock in odd places and making undockable does not carry over to next time you open it

    worse many plugins can get their floating panels stuck offscreen 

    Octane render shader node panel in particular drives me nuts with this and there are a fair few other scripts and plugins that do it too.

    If you look in Menu> Window> Workspace there's an option to Lock/Unlock docking. It's very useful because it prevents you from accidentally dragging a pane out of its dock.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,058
    maclean said:
    th3Digit said:

    I hate how easily windows dock in odd places and making undockable does not carry over to next time you open it

    worse many plugins can get their floating panels stuck offscreen 

    Octane render shader node panel in particular drives me nuts with this and there are a fair few other scripts and plugins that do it too.

    If you look in Menu> Window> Workspace there's an option to Lock/Unlock docking. It's very useful because it prevents you from accidentally dragging a pane out of its dock.

    I know but undocked and made undockable does not carry over to next time you open DS and use that floating pane

    its the ones you don't use everyday and close that are the issue

    I would prefer all undockable by default 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,968
    edited August 2018
    Kitsumo said:

    Since we've got this thread active again, I'd like to throw my 2 cents in. When I've been using DS and moving from folder to folder, I like to right-click on the DazStudioFormats folder and choose Refresh. It closes all the folders and makes everything neat and orderly. The only problem I have is that the option right above it is Remove Base Directories. I don't know what that is, but it sounds like something I'll click by accident and then have a really bad day from then on. It seems like something they should make harder to get to, so people don't click it by accident.

    daz studio ui

    It removes the content directory from the list daz uses - it doesn't do anything to the folder on disc, you can add it backa gain by right-clicking on Daz Studio Formats and seelcting Add Base Directory, so it's pretty harmless (once you realise why your content suddenly can't be found).

    In fact there is a prompt before the directories are removed.

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  • th3Digit said:

    I hate how easily windows dock in odd places and making undockable does not carry over to next time you open it

    worse many plugins can get their floating panels stuck offscreen

    Undock Pane and Undock Pane Group will be preserved between sessions. The Make ... Undockable commands are not in the default pane menus anymore.

    You can recover panes/groups that have ended up off-screen with Window>Workspace>Off Screen Pane (Tabs) Groups, which pulls them into the centre as I recall.

  • sapatsapat Posts: 1,735

    I've saved my custom style and workspace for years and just drag it to whatever version of DS is the current release.  That way i have no surprises and no task of resetting everything up again.

    The biggest gripe I have always had with DS is there's no autosave that you can check in the preferences.  And even tell it how often you want it to autosave, like 30 seconds, 1 minute, 3 minutes, 5 minutes, or not at all.  My God, even here in the forum you can see down in the corner where it says 'Draft Saved' about every 30 seconds.  Why on earth they don't do that with their flagship program is beyond me.  I've asked for it for years and never get any response except 'save your scene often'  Really?

  • NosiferretNosiferret Posts: 344

    How would you feel if you had Autosave, you're messing around with your project and fark something up. Well guess what, DS Autosaved 30 seconds ago, now you've lost your main project that you can't go back to. Now, people would be on the forums damning DAZ for putting in the Autosave feature. I have a few gripes about the program myself, like searching for something and when you type, your cursor has slipped down and next thing you know your whole camera angle has screwed up, I don't like the itty bitty spots that you need to use to toggle something, my eyes are getting older so it's hard to see those little things. Some buttons are too small to use, the camera toggles that allow you to move your camera around just seems awkward having to hold your mouse key and move the mouse around...how many times have I done that and the camera angle that started out over the projects head and I just want to move it around just a tad and soon as I touched the toggle to move it, the camera somehow warped under the feet [this has been happening since the latest upgrade]. Little things that make me grit my teeth, but you know DS is a free program...I'd rather deal with those little teeth gritting moments than looking at spending over $200 a year just to upgrade the program. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited August 2018

    Most of the time Autosave is something you can enable or not, so blaming Daz for such a feature wouldn't be very nice if it was a user that enabled it....lol ;).

    Laurie

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,058

    it is often incremental too with a few previous ones you can go back to

    and there is undo

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,058
    th3Digit said:

    I hate how easily windows dock in odd places and making undockable does not carry over to next time you open it

    worse many plugins can get their floating panels stuck offscreen

    Undock Pane and Undock Pane Group will be preserved between sessions. The Make ... Undockable commands are not in the default pane menus anymore.

    You can recover panes/groups that have ended up off-screen with Window>Workspace>Off Screen Pane (Tabs) Groups, which pulls them into the centre as I recall.

    TY for latter info

    former only applies to panes left open not closed, I know this from experience

  • sapatsapat Posts: 1,735

    frown ok, just an idea since other software I have has autosave

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    sapat said:

    frown ok, just an idea since other software I have has autosave

    I like the idea ;) Would be nice to choose to have autosave since I've lost quite a few scenes because I was so concentrated on the scene, that I neglected to save. A couple hours go by, something happens and POOF! Scene gone :'(

    Laurie

  • A well-designed autosave protocol will allow the user to set frequency in minutes or # of changes, **AND** will also offer a maximum number of autosaves.

    Example:

    Autosave every 2 minutes or 10 changes, whichever comes first.  # of saves:  10.

    This would allow up to 20 minutes worth of "snapshots" at any given time.  Less if you're an enthusiastic artist.  Want more backup files and a longer time span?  increase # of saves.  Want less demand on your machine and a longer time span of available snapshots?  Increase frequency to once every 5 minutes or 30 changes.  That would get you up to 50 minutes of saves.  Paranoid and have a powerful machine?  Save every minute and keep 50 snapshots.

    I say put it into the hands of the user, and the user (if he/she values his/her work) will figure out what works best given the needs of the project and said end-user.  Set a default at install time so that the user doesn't have zero autosaves.

  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300

    How would you feel if you had Autosave, you're messing around with your project and fark something up. Well guess what, DS Autosaved 30 seconds ago, now you've lost your main project that you can't go back to.

    This isn't how autosave works on any program I've used. They all autosave to a temporary file. This file is deleted if the program is able to properly shut down.  "Autosave" might be a bad name for it. In Micrsoft Word the feature is AutoRecover.

    I think it would take considerable work to provide a true background autosave/autorecover feature for D|S. Files can be HUGE and the file format is basically text in JSON format. There's a lot of parsing that's going on to save a file. If you use something like Fit Control, which injects zillions of morphs of everything fitted to a character, you'll have big files that can take a minute or more to save. That's a lot of work for a background process. (Before anyone mentions it, yes, you can remove unused morphs that Fit Control creates. But that's not really the point.)

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