Looking for Female Edwardian equestrian attire
ALLIEKATBLUE
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Any ideas? Looking for a riding habit for ladies of the Edwardian era, think Downton Abbey. Been looking at different pieces from various outfits, but can't seem to find a top hat and veil though.
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That's come up a few times in the requested products forum. There is one equestrian uniform for Gen 3, but it's pretty basic, and it's going to need a lot of work texture-wise to get a realistic render. As far as vintage gear, you're pretty much out of luck, maybe if you take some jodphurs off one of the V4, or early models costumes and use an auto fit app. You're definitely going to have to do some kit-bashing to get the look you want.
Yes some women of the period did wear trousers, most didn't.
maybe if you scale the hat in this set
http://www.daz3d.com/clandestine-hair
Didn't they wear long dresses and ride side-saddle during that period? http://www.edwardianpromenade.com/sport/riding-side-saddle/
So maybe something like this? http://www.daz3d.com/the-victorian-gown-for-genesis-2-female-s
You's need a hat and a riding crop.
So maybe something like this with it: http://www.daz3d.com/riding-habit
It has a modern riding helmet but also comes with a more traditional one:
The major problem you're going to find is that although there is some Edwardian clothing, it doesn't morph very well if you intend to actually place your characters on a horse. This is one of those areas that force an artist to have to get much deeper into the mechanics of Daz than many would like. Then again I guess you could always try and commission a PA to develop such an article.
Thanks everyone and yes divamakeup, I totally want a dress. The Victorian Gown seems like a great option as well. Didn't think about scaling up the top hat, already have the vintage charm hat ( http://www.daz3d.com/vintage-charm) which is teeny tiny, like a toy but is cute. Posing is another problem but I think with some concentration and good camera angles, I may pull it off. The trouser option is more easily solved. It seems that the actual style has not changed much since the ye olden days although the pants nowadays are much more tight and form fitting. I wonder if I could get those jodphurs to be a bit more billowy.
Too bad this one doesn't come with a traditional hat, I like the style more
http://www.daz3d.com/equestrian-uniform-for-genesis-3-female-s
I know I saw that too it's actually in my wish list. It's looks really well made and stylish and I probably could do someting wth the jacket, but a little too pricey. Thanks for the hat idea though
The IH Kang outfit is excellent, as are the ones for Genesis from Sickleyield. Actually, the free one from WIlmap is nice as well. For more billowy jodphurs, though, I do usually swap out the pants from one of Powerage's two Nazi uniforms (V4 and M4) from Renderosity. Both autofit quite nicely but retain their shape for that classic look, and Rendo also has a Nazi uniform by blackBat for V3/M3 that I've used with similar results, plus yet another german uniform by tannenbaum for M4 that I've been eyeing.
Hi everyone, thanks for your help. Thanks divamakeup for the sugesstion of the Victorian Gown. What a mess trying to get the dress into the side saddle pose but it looks ok for a start. After messing with the dress, I must admit I was not in the mood too get the reins into her hands completely but I will fix that later. Couldn't quite get the Vintage Charm top hat to scale up and fit over the Deeta hair but Wilmap' has a cornucopia of things so I used the Regency Bonnet. Also, Wilmap's riding suit is also lovely. I really wish there were products for this purpose, I have searched and people have mentioned that they wanted a vintage style equestrian outift with a posable skirt. Anyway, thanks again all.
Nice renders!
Now all we need is a proper sidesaddle prop to go with that.. BTW, pretty much all sidesaddles (and today, most are the two pommel type) place the riders legs on the right side of the horse...
I kept looking at the images and trying to work out exactly what was wrong, apart from the leg positioning. Didn't quite click till you mentioned it that she is on the wriong side of the horse as well as sitting wrongly.
She sure is sitting wrong, thanks for that tip. Chohole, is that a Daz render or is that a photograph?
It is a photo I found on the internet.
BTW I did actually find a few photos of our Queen Queen Elizabeth 2nd riding side saddle, but that particular image was good as it showed the leg placement so clearly.
Thats a dual pommel desig. There's only one stirrup on a side saddle. and the second pommle (the lower one) working with that stirrup provides an extra level of security and stability.. I suppose it might not be to hardto find a saddle model that could be modded into a sidesaddle..
Perfect, thanks hacsart and chohole, didn't know there was a standard side that the lady sits . Thanks so much for the diagrams and photos of the leg placements. I really looked for a side saddle prop but was unsuccessful.
It's much easier to ride astride, I certainly would not want to ride to hounds or go jumping using a sidesaddle. However people do still do that. It is "posher" to ride side saddle, which is why the Queen would ride that way on state occasions, when she was mounted. I am quite happy to admit I am a "pleb" and ride astride, usually British tack, although I have ridden western style.
I never understood why men back then thought women were these genteel little flowers who couldn't ride very well. It takes a lot of balance, strength, and dexterity to be able to ride side saddle! Most women back then were very accomplished horsewomen! I definitely think someone should make a side saddle, though, as I'd love to have one!
I've gotten on a horse once that was a former race horse; bare back and not knowing how to ride and when my knees clamped into it's sides that horse took off like it was shot out of a cannon...up and down the valley, over the creek, through the woods and finally finishing the circuit that it started out on at the gravel driveway, stopping on a dime instantly and sending me flying head first over it's head and landing on my hands and feets onto the driveway. You couldn't of trained a comedy stuntman and horse to have done it better.
I think you can get closest from what I've seen an Edwardian Riding dress with that vest is using the Genesis 3 Fantasy Morphing Dress. The vest, I don't know, with that many buttons that high up the chest and that cut, lots of vests but none that I remember that are right for that style.
Somebody really needs to make a side saddle prop and poses, I'm with knittingmommy, it would be something I would totally buy. I'm getting nowhere with my project because the saddle is all wrong.
Yeah, it is so the type of thing I would model if I had the skills, but I'm just starting to learn to model. Now, the poses, I could so do in a heartbeat if someone came up with a decent side saddle to work with!
Well.. I'm not a great modeller from scratch, but I've found a few free models that are moddable without restriction, so Let me see what I can do- stay tuned...
Sadly I'm sure that would fall under the category of items that only have a niche appeal, thus "not worth a PA's time and efforts to recoup their expenses" (like male items or characters). I have eventually got to get serious about this modeling thing, because having an MBA in marketing, I'm really curious why proven marketing strategies don't seem to work in the Daz environment the same as they do in the real world.
Very interesting. I've always thought one of the diffs between this environment and the real world is that the vendors are not a separate entity from the consumers and we're all artists from hobbyists to professionals and there is a lot of socializing. In the beginning creating products for sale was for some supplementary income and what consumers asked for held more sway but now, thanks mainly to DAZ, it's possible to do better than that which I'm sure has had a greater effect on decisions as to what to produce. And for some vendors the time it takes to produce products now has left them little time to socialize, do much art anymore, and therefore less consuming themselves.
I'm obviously not an expert but the artist/consumer/producer meld along with tech and sales volume changes over time have had an effect.
I'll be very interested to see what you manage to do!
There's a top hat, a hat with a veil and a riding crop included with this V4 outfit: http://www.daz3d.com/infamous-scandalous-bundle-for-v4
It's been on sale for 4$ in one of the V4 sales so that might happen again...
Posing the skirt sounds like a job for that script that makes it possible to use Poser dynamics in Studio. It's supposed to be posible to run it on conforming items as well, but if they are't welded for it they come apart. Probably easier to use a long skirt that's built to "clothify" and the top from a different dress.
I downloaded the saddle, but I can't get it to completely fit the Mil Horse. However, I have been able to use the saddle to get a workable, realistic pose for young figures, i.e. shorter! I'm still working on trying to get it to look right with an adult female. The legs still aren't quite right as they should be draped more on the saddle than in front of it. I have not tried posing an outfit yet, but will try a couple of appropriate dresses that I have once I have the adult pose working. If I pose with a dress, it might possibly work depending on how the dress was draped. I'm also having a really hard time with the morphs for the stirrup as the saddle probably wasn't designed for the figures with which I'm trying to pose it.
Most of the pictures I found for a side saddle had the side saddle trees closer together so I'm sure that makes a difference, too. I'm sure there was just as much a wide variety of side saddles as there were regular saddles. I think a lot of saddles were custom made back then as well to fit both horse and rider. BTW, I found a couple of really good reference photos for side saddle sitting where the horsewoman isn't wearing a dress which makes it much easier to use as a reference.
Clicking on the image above Clicking this link takes you to a saddle company that makes side saddles and they talk about the seat of a saddle from early times being 18 to 19 inches (length from back of knee to the rider's seat) and how today's saddles need to be larger. I guess most women were much shorter back then. Scaling up the side saddle may help with the seat, but not fitting the horse, too. So far, I've been able to get everything to look like it works from a side view, but not from a front view.
Link removed goes to a page with nudity at the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts. There is an interesting image the artist took of his wife? possibly and she is sitting side saddle naked without a saddle. It is a very interesting picture circa 1890.
Having a side saddle built for the DAZ horse would still be my preferred choice, but if someone can get this saddle to fit the horse and maybe lengthen the seat and put the side saddle trees closer together and adjust the stirrup (also there only seems to be one, but most of the pictures seem to indicate there should be two stirrups on the same side for both feet), we might have a viable option with this saddle. Although, from what I just typed that almost sounds like a brand new saddle.
Quick picture of side saddle pose so far with G3F with Rayn body morph:
Pose so far of full size G3F with slightly shorter legs:
edit: couldn't get that picture to work with links so substituted another image I found and provided the link to the company that makes the side saddles.
This all looks promising, thanks for everything
Thanks for locating this I had lost all of these when my apartment burnt back in 2012
Years ago I had asked for one and Hai Gan was kind enough to make one and make it available