Hello !

I have version 4.8 of the software and I bought the pack lizardians => http://www.daz3d.com/lizardians . The problem is that I can not import them into the 3D view of the software. Does anyone have an idea of the process please ?

The lizardians are add-ons for Victoria 4 and Michael 4. Do you have those figures? 

To use the V4 character first you need to load V4.2 base character. Then you select V4 in the scene tab and use the "Lizard V4 INJ" file to apply the lizard morph to her, and then use one for the materials to apply the texture to her.

The process for the M4 character is the same, you first load M4 base then apply the M4 INJ for the morph and a material for the texture.

I'd be curious what prices have tracked at over years. There is such a thing as inflation, and stores sometimes don't adjust at a steady pace.

While looking at all the old items on all these sales, one thing I found interesting is that some of the super old models (Generation 3; not sure about older) are listed as not even coming with textures, just mapped material zones.

And V4 comes in about 167 different parts. The base has a lo-res skin, a standard skin costs extra, a "high res" skin more, and an elite skin (the level of what is standard on all models now) even more. Even today, the cost (ignoring bundles and sales) of getting her up to the level of V5-7 is way higher, and those models are far more advanced and useful in many ways.

So things have improved considerably in many areas.

I agree that products have improved considerably from the earlier days. What I find odd it that the base price of a lot of these older products almost never falls, even when equivalent, far superior products have the same base price. The standard price of a new character for Genesis 2 or 3 in this store is around 17.95, sometimes a dollar or two higher, which includes HQ skins, SSS shaders, iRay shaders etc. Yet the base price for a Victoria 3 based character is often the same, despite its 10+ year age, and far inferior contents. In most markets prices of much older tech falls as time goes by. I know occasionally older stuff (like M4/V4 stuff) gets a higer discount, but another route would be to just lower the base price as time goes buy. I guess one of the issues stopping DAZ from doing this is the hassle of communicating with the PAs of these older products, since they have the final say over the base price.

So I've actually been looking at this lately because I find it interesting (I'm weird, okay; I like looking at structures.)

TLDR Summary:
- Clothing, Hair, and Textures are still around the same prices for the first 6 generations. Gen7 tends to be slightly more expensive, but often must come with both 3DL and Iray mats now.
- V1-3 seem to be discounted now.
- V4 is crazy expensive to really get up and running unless you get her in a bundle on sale. She's also still super popular because Poser and many users like her, and she has a billion characters and outfits.
- V1-4 often come in Poser format and are organised by picking a folder via roulette while being chased by a tiger on acid.
- V567 are each around similar prices and very easy to start up, all of them working with their respective Genesis models which are free, as well as any other character of that generation model.
- V5/Genesis is now kinda pointless unless you want gender swapping or built in kids (which don't seem to get made anymore) but can often be found for cheaper (hint: buy Carrera8.5Pro if you need V5/M5 pro bundles)
- V6/Genesis 2 is still close in cost to Genesis 3. G2F has way more characters and items right now, obviously. New items are rarer, but often come Iray ready. (I think V6 is kinda unattractive.)
- All V7/Genesis 3 items come Iray ready which may contribute to the price raise if they also have 3DL. (I think V7 is the best Daz character yet and the only one with a HD pack I really like.)
- It seems like it'd make sense to implement a system where each generation gets an additional PC+ discount percentage when the new generation (or 2) arrives.

 

Here's a comparison of some items across the generations:

Victoria 1: $9.93 (no textures: can't find her skin on sale either.)
Victoria 2: vault
Victoria 3: $9.95 (no textures: nogen/std/hires textures $9.93 each. Morphs $9.95 each for head and body.)
Victoria 4: $29.95 (sample1024 skin) (std[2048] skin: $19.95) (hires(4000) skin: $29.95) (elite(4096) $29.95 each or bundle $99.95) (morphs++ $29.95.)
Victoria 5: $39.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.)
Victoria 6: $44.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.) 
Victoria 7: $44.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.)

 

Randomly chosen / Average prices:

V1 Character: $19.95
V1 Hair or Clothing: $19.95 ($45 max)
V1 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V3 Character: $17.95
V3 Hair or Clothing: generally between $10-20
V3 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V4 Character: $17.95
V4 Hair or Clothing: $18-25 (usually the higher end it seems)
V4 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V5 Character: $17-19.95
V5 Hair or Clothing: $17-19.95
V5 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95 

V6 Character: $17.95
V6 Hair or Clothing: $17.95
V6 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V7 Character: $17.95
V7 Hair or Clothing: $21.95
V7 Texture Clothing etc: $12.95

Obviously prices go up and down between these values, and these are base amounts not taking bundles or sales into account. Generally you won't buy these parts separately.

Interesting post.

It should be noted though, that the 'price raise' came before Iray. DAZ just one day went and jacked up all their DO prices, even for older content. iirc they didn't even bother with an explanation.

It also does not compensate for additional material setups since they simultaneously (mostly) dropped poser materials. If anything, I would assume supplying 3Delight and Iray materials is easier than 3Delight and Poser materials, at least you can work in the same program.

I do not think all the older DOs increased in base price, but stuff after and including Genesis 2 did. So a Genesis 2 base went from $40 to $45 and a pro back from $125 to $135. The prices of Genesis 1 bases and packs did not change, but there could have been other changes as well as I do not remember all the pre-increase prices.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right about that. Though, I, too, don't remember prices from items before Genesis 2

The log file (log.txt) contains a large number of missing morph messages when I load Michael 7 into Daz Studio 4.8.0.59. I bought the Michael 7 Pro bundle the past week along with the Victoria 7 Pro bundle.

(snippet of log.txt)

WARNING: fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5311): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis3Male:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLTriumph.dsf#eCTRLTriumph?value in file : /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Michael%207/eJCMMichael7TriumpHDLv2.dsf
WARNING: fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5253): Could not find output property for formula: Genesis3Male:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Head/PHMEyesPuffyLower.dsf#PHMEyesPuffyLower?value in file : /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Michael%207/eJCMMichael7SmileHDLv2.dsf
WARNING: fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5253): Could not find output property for formula: Genesis3Male:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Head/PHMLipsThin.dsf#PHMLipsThin?value in file : /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Michael%207/eJCMMichael7SeriousHDLv2.dsf
WARNING: fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5311): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis3Male:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLSerious.dsf#eCTRLSerious?value in file : /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Michael%207/eJCMMichael7SeriousHDLv2.dsf
WARNING: fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5311): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis3Male:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%203/Male/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Expressions/eCTRLScream.dsf#eCTRLScream?value in file : 

(end of snippet)

I assume this is not normal. Am I missing something?

I just tried turning off the smoothing, but there's no difference. It's not an issue with the Anime Doll head, it's just the way that geografts work in Daz Studio. The system is designed to morph the geograft as closely to the underlying mesh as possible, much like how clothing autofits to whatever body morph you use. This works fine when adding details to a body through geografting (horns, genitals, tails, etc), but can have unpredictable results when using geografting to replace body parts.

Fortunately it's an easy enough quirk to work around. The first method, as I said before, is to just limit yourself to morphs that don't change the head too much, such as "Girl 6 Body", "Victoria 6 Body", and "Michael 6 Body". Fortunately most of the more popular characters come with "body only" versions, not to mention that most of the basic body morphs (bodybuilder, height, volumptuous, etc) don't affect the face.

That said, there are a couple of basic body morphs that do effect the face (thin and heavy). In these situations, I believe you can create compatibility morphs that correct any distortion much like you'd do when creating body morphs for clothing, though I haven't really delved into geograft creation so i'm not exactly sure if it works the same way.

Oh, and as for the male morph, are you thinking about the one Khrys did way back in the day? If I remember correctly they had a product on Renderosity with a couple of male Anime Doll morphs, but unfortunately it's no longer there.

I'd be curious what prices have tracked at over years. There is such a thing as inflation, and stores sometimes don't adjust at a steady pace.

While looking at all the old items on all these sales, one thing I found interesting is that some of the super old models (Generation 3; not sure about older) are listed as not even coming with textures, just mapped material zones.

And V4 comes in about 167 different parts. The base has a lo-res skin, a standard skin costs extra, a "high res" skin more, and an elite skin (the level of what is standard on all models now) even more. Even today, the cost (ignoring bundles and sales) of getting her up to the level of V5-7 is way higher, and those models are far more advanced and useful in many ways.

So things have improved considerably in many areas.

I agree that products have improved considerably from the earlier days. What I find odd it that the base price of a lot of these older products almost never falls, even when equivalent, far superior products have the same base price. The standard price of a new character for Genesis 2 or 3 in this store is around 17.95, sometimes a dollar or two higher, which includes HQ skins, SSS shaders, iRay shaders etc. Yet the base price for a Victoria 3 based character is often the same, despite its 10+ year age, and far inferior contents. In most markets prices of much older tech falls as time goes by. I know occasionally older stuff (like M4/V4 stuff) gets a higer discount, but another route would be to just lower the base price as time goes buy. I guess one of the issues stopping DAZ from doing this is the hassle of communicating with the PAs of these older products, since they have the final say over the base price.

So I've actually been looking at this lately because I find it interesting (I'm weird, okay; I like looking at structures.)

TLDR Summary:
- Clothing, Hair, and Textures are still around the same prices for the first 6 generations. Gen7 tends to be slightly more expensive, but often must come with both 3DL and Iray mats now.
- V1-3 seem to be discounted now.
- V4 is crazy expensive to really get up and running unless you get her in a bundle on sale. She's also still super popular because Poser and many users like her, and she has a billion characters and outfits.
- V1-4 often come in Poser format and are organised by picking a folder via roulette while being chased by a tiger on acid.
- V567 are each around similar prices and very easy to start up, all of them working with their respective Genesis models which are free, as well as any other character of that generation model.
- V5/Genesis is now kinda pointless unless you want gender swapping or built in kids (which don't seem to get made anymore) but can often be found for cheaper (hint: buy Carrera8.5Pro if you need V5/M5 pro bundles)
- V6/Genesis 2 is still close in cost to Genesis 3. G2F has way more characters and items right now, obviously. New items are rarer, but often come Iray ready. (I think V6 is kinda unattractive.)
- All V7/Genesis 3 items come Iray ready which may contribute to the price raise if they also have 3DL. (I think V7 is the best Daz character yet and the only one with a HD pack I really like.)
- It seems like it'd make sense to implement a system where each generation gets an additional PC+ discount percentage when the new generation (or 2) arrives.

 

Here's a comparison of some items across the generations:

Victoria 1: $9.93 (no textures: can't find her skin on sale either.)
Victoria 2: vault
Victoria 3: $9.95 (no textures: nogen/std/hires textures $9.93 each. Morphs $9.95 each for head and body.)
Victoria 4: $29.95 (sample1024 skin) (std[2048] skin: $19.95) (hires(4000) skin: $29.95) (elite(4096) $29.95 each or bundle $99.95) (morphs++ $29.95.)
Victoria 5: $39.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.)
Victoria 6: $44.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.) 
Victoria 7: $44.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.)

 

Randomly chosen / Average prices:

V1 Character: $19.95
V1 Hair or Clothing: $19.95 ($45 max)
V1 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V3 Character: $17.95
V3 Hair or Clothing: generally between $10-20
V3 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V4 Character: $17.95
V4 Hair or Clothing: $18-25 (usually the higher end it seems)
V4 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V5 Character: $17-19.95
V5 Hair or Clothing: $17-19.95
V5 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95 

V6 Character: $17.95
V6 Hair or Clothing: $17.95
V6 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V7 Character: $17.95
V7 Hair or Clothing: $21.95
V7 Texture Clothing etc: $12.95

Obviously prices go up and down between these values, and these are base amounts not taking bundles or sales into account. Generally you won't buy these parts separately.

Interesting post.

It should be noted though, that the 'price raise' came before Iray. DAZ just one day went and jacked up all their DO prices, even for older content. iirc they didn't even bother with an explanation.

It also does not compensate for additional material setups since they simultaneously (mostly) dropped poser materials. If anything, I would assume supplying 3Delight and Iray materials is easier than 3Delight and Poser materials, at least you can work in the same program.

I do not think all the older DOs increased in base price, but stuff after and including Genesis 2 did. So a Genesis 2 base went from $40 to $45 and a pro back from $125 to $135. The prices of Genesis 1 bases and packs did not change, but there could have been other changes as well as I do not remember all the pre-increase prices.

I'd be curious what prices have tracked at over years. There is such a thing as inflation, and stores sometimes don't adjust at a steady pace.

While looking at all the old items on all these sales, one thing I found interesting is that some of the super old models (Generation 3; not sure about older) are listed as not even coming with textures, just mapped material zones.

And V4 comes in about 167 different parts. The base has a lo-res skin, a standard skin costs extra, a "high res" skin more, and an elite skin (the level of what is standard on all models now) even more. Even today, the cost (ignoring bundles and sales) of getting her up to the level of V5-7 is way higher, and those models are far more advanced and useful in many ways.

So things have improved considerably in many areas.

I agree that products have improved considerably from the earlier days. What I find odd it that the base price of a lot of these older products almost never falls, even when equivalent, far superior products have the same base price. The standard price of a new character for Genesis 2 or 3 in this store is around 17.95, sometimes a dollar or two higher, which includes HQ skins, SSS shaders, iRay shaders etc. Yet the base price for a Victoria 3 based character is often the same, despite its 10+ year age, and far inferior contents. In most markets prices of much older tech falls as time goes by. I know occasionally older stuff (like M4/V4 stuff) gets a higer discount, but another route would be to just lower the base price as time goes buy. I guess one of the issues stopping DAZ from doing this is the hassle of communicating with the PAs of these older products, since they have the final say over the base price.

So I've actually been looking at this lately because I find it interesting (I'm weird, okay; I like looking at structures.)

TLDR Summary:
- Clothing, Hair, and Textures are still around the same prices for the first 6 generations. Gen7 tends to be slightly more expensive, but often must come with both 3DL and Iray mats now.
- V1-3 seem to be discounted now.
- V4 is crazy expensive to really get up and running unless you get her in a bundle on sale. She's also still super popular because Poser and many users like her, and she has a billion characters and outfits.
- V1-4 often come in Poser format and are organised by picking a folder via roulette while being chased by a tiger on acid.
- V567 are each around similar prices and very easy to start up, all of them working with their respective Genesis models which are free, as well as any other character of that generation model.
- V5/Genesis is now kinda pointless unless you want gender swapping or built in kids (which don't seem to get made anymore) but can often be found for cheaper (hint: buy Carrera8.5Pro if you need V5/M5 pro bundles)
- V6/Genesis 2 is still close in cost to Genesis 3. G2F has way more characters and items right now, obviously. New items are rarer, but often come Iray ready. (I think V6 is kinda unattractive.)
- All V7/Genesis 3 items come Iray ready which may contribute to the price raise if they also have 3DL. (I think V7 is the best Daz character yet and the only one with a HD pack I really like.)
- It seems like it'd make sense to implement a system where each generation gets an additional PC+ discount percentage when the new generation (or 2) arrives.

 

Here's a comparison of some items across the generations:

Victoria 1: $9.93 (no textures: can't find her skin on sale either.)
Victoria 2: vault
Victoria 3: $9.95 (no textures: nogen/std/hires textures $9.93 each. Morphs $9.95 each for head and body.)
Victoria 4: $29.95 (sample1024 skin) (std[2048] skin: $19.95) (hires(4000) skin: $29.95) (elite(4096) $29.95 each or bundle $99.95) (morphs++ $29.95.)
Victoria 5: $39.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.)
Victoria 6: $44.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.) 
Victoria 7: $44.95 (4096 skin) (morphs: $19.95 each for head and body.)

 

Randomly chosen / Average prices:

V1 Character: $19.95
V1 Hair or Clothing: $19.95 ($45 max)
V1 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V3 Character: $17.95
V3 Hair or Clothing: generally between $10-20
V3 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V4 Character: $17.95
V4 Hair or Clothing: $18-25 (usually the higher end it seems)
V4 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V5 Character: $17-19.95
V5 Hair or Clothing: $17-19.95
V5 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95 

V6 Character: $17.95
V6 Hair or Clothing: $17.95
V6 Texture Clothing etc: $9.95

V7 Character: $17.95
V7 Hair or Clothing: $21.95
V7 Texture Clothing etc: $12.95

Obviously prices go up and down between these values, and these are base amounts not taking bundles or sales into account. Generally you won't buy these parts separately.

Interesting post.

It should be noted though, that the 'price raise' came before Iray. DAZ just one day went and jacked up all their DO prices, even for older content. iirc they didn't even bother with an explanation.

It also does not compensate for additional material setups since they simultaneously (mostly) dropped poser materials. If anything, I would assume supplying 3Delight and Iray materials is easier than 3Delight and Poser materials, at least you can work in the same program.

I poked around some more, I select the SURFACE tab, then SKIN in the menu and select VICTORIA 7 ALL MAT and that gives me much better results.

I just wonder if there are tutorials for this stuff, I don't want to be "That Guy" in the forums who has to have his hand held all the time.

Something fun- want to see a render of a character sold here, done by a different PA? Sabby did a beautiful render of Danique for Victoria 7 in a different gallery. Always love Sabby's renders! Nice character by Godin. Anyone have Danique and a render? 

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Used:
Dream Home Yard and Pool 
Tribal Spellcaster 
Everyday Morphing Primitives
Board Games
Flashy for All That Jazz
Bennu Bird (LB) 
Peasant Dress for Genesis 2 Female(s)  (LB)
Spaceship Segments Vol3  (LB)
Asian Persuasion Textures  (LB)

Also used:
Mec4d PBS Shaders vol.1 for Iray
Michael 7
Genesis 3 Male Head Morphs
Victoria 7
Metamorphosis for Genesis 3 Female(s)
Wonderous Wares
Iray Shaders - Glass
Amazing Hat
Naoki for V4 and V5
Caribbean Queen Hair
Pd Iray Shader Kit 1
Totally Bazaar Bundle
iRadiance - HDRI Variety Pack One

I've been holding off buying any Michael 7 clothing until I get the backwards converter for Michael 6.  It came out relatively quickly for Victoria 7, and I don't see any announcement in DAZ PA Commercial Products. 

Which version of Daz Studio, and is your Render Engine (Editor tab or render Settings) Iray or 3Delight? Which materials/character, if not the default?

Daz 4.8, Victoria 7, and I usually render with 3Delight. Unless there are defaults, I don't use materials.

As I typically retouch all renders in Photoshop, I use the following method to lighten skin (I learned it from a professional retoucher):

1. Add a black layer with mode set to 'Hue', mask things out to just apply it to the skin.  This will ultimately desaturate the skin, so adjust transparency of the layer as desired.
2. Add a white layer with mode set to 'Screen'.  Duplicate your black layer's mask here for a start.  Further refine the mask though to gradually omit shadowed areas.  This will ultimately lighten the skin.  Also adjust transparency of the layer as desired.
3. Add a curves adjustment layer; boost highlights and deepen shadows (S-curve) to bring back contrast.

The following images show a 3-light setup with Victoria 7.   First is the original image as output by Daz3D.  The second shows the above post work.  In this particular example, my black layer was at 20% and white layer at 15%.

@ZarconDeeGrissom - Was this poke-through issue ever solved by Daz, or did they just give you one of their "Its working as intended" lines? I'm still seeing it.

Also, has anyone with FWSA Bonnie (http://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-bonnie-hd-for-victoria-7) noticed that the textures junction between torso and legs on her right hip is very noticeable? Its not at all on her left hip, but for some reason the right hip is very different. Anyone else seeing this, or is it just me? I'd like to know before I submit another fruitless ticket to Daz technical support.

Tottallou, This works well to lighten the skin color. But when I add Genitalia to a character that has associated Mats, like Victoria 7, the Gens don't match the rest of the skin, even though I set the translucency the same in both the body skin and the Gen skin. Any suggestions?

I think you need this NGV7. "When user starts new gens for V7, it will automatically match the character's UV, and then automatically use corresponding templates and character skin textures to generate required textures."

A new product for Genesis 3 females (victoria 7, Eva...)

Product containts :

• Collar and its pendants (front and back)
• Shirt
• Belt
• Pants
• Earings
• 3Delight and Iray version

 if the new morph (controller)  worked  well, you just need to save the one morph controller (property)  which You made by morph loader pro.

if you made the morph, as  adviced already,, it  should work as Victoria 6 new expression controller.

(and maybe work well for other genesis2female shape too. at least , it  only cahnge head shape)

though you will  hope to more tweaking,, to fit  each character,, and may hope to face rigs follow with your new expression shape.

at current, it just change head shape, but rigs not follow the face, then you may find another problem when you mix with  another experssion,,,

or face poze,, eg usually eye  and tongues , jaws   will not work good.  when rig position not fit current mesh..   though it is future try of  you)

And  you need not check other properties, when save the morph.  it save the all checked morphs as new morph again .

 the double saved morph with "same ID  or labell " cause problems .

you need to delete these double saved morphs once (but take care not to delete original morphs ) 

 morph directories are  usually divided by vendor name

eg when I make new morph for "genesis2female base" character, it should be saved in

\daz content directory \data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 2\Female\Morphs\"vendor name"\ "product name"\ "controller name".dsf

It worked just as you said by leaving Reverse Deformations at No. However, I guess what I'm really trying to do is create my own custom Emotions. Let's say I wanted to create an extream Laugh by using all the "Smile" dials along with Shaping dials then use the export .obj procedure. When I apply the newly loaded morph (Reverse Deformations at NO) to a head that has Shaping, the head will be extremely deformed. Won't it?
Maybe the pics below can explain better.

1 The Figure is Genesis 2 Female with Victoria 6 head shape.

2 With some expression dialed in (exported to .obj).

3. Imported morph Reverse Deformations No on a new genesis 2 female with victoria 6 head shape. It looks very distorted

Pull #2:

 617 - Bandstand

1393 - Valentine Candy

1726 - Miss Kitty's

 535 - Hammer Tail Dragon

Also used: (forgot this part in my first one!) Lily Dress, Cowboy for M4 and Hiro, Corey Spikes Hair, Pen Hair, V4 Shoes Pack 2, Gwen for Victoria 4 and Genesis, Mario, CeCe Veil Hair, Everyday 1930 for V4, Menswear 1930s for M4, Gabriel Hair, Silas M4, Sheer Terror, Under Attack for V4/M4.

Tag: emsim #2

Romance Interrupted

When you finally get some time alone with your girl, there will always be an annoying interruption!

Well, at least somebody's 'romance' wasn't interrupted!

(Okay, go ahead, slap me!  I deserve it!)

Pull #2:

 617 - Bandstand

1393 - Valentine Candy

1726 - Miss Kitty's

 535 - Hammer Tail Dragon

Also used: (forgot this part in my first one!) Lily Dress, Cowboy for M4 and Hiro, Corey Spikes Hair, Pen Hair, V4 Shoes Pack 2, Gwen for Victoria 4 and Genesis, Mario, CeCe Veil Hair, Everyday 1930 for V4, Menswear 1930s for M4, Gabriel Hair, Silas M4, Sheer Terror, Under Attack for V4/M4, Easy Environments Outback.

Tag: emsim #2

Romance Interrupted

When you finally get some time alone with your girl, there will always be an annoying interruption!

G3F is of course the latest technology, whereas Victoria 4 was released back in 2006, so is beginning to show her age a little.