I don't think the figures fill niches quite that specifically - "Hollywood Greek Athletic Action" doesn't really strike me as a niche.

I'd break them down more like this (Build/Theme):

Victoria 7/Michael 7:  Average/Everyday

Eva 7: Tall/Everyday

Karen 7: Athletic/Superhero

Bethany 7: Voloptuous/Fantasy

Arabella 7: Thin/Vampire

Teen Josie 7: Average/Teen

Olympia 7/Leo 7: Athletic/Greek

Girl 7/Guy 7: Stylized/Toon

Izabella 7: Average/Fantasy

Mei Lin 7/Lee 7: Athletic/Asian

Kalea 7/Kimo 7: Average/Islander

Rune 7/Ivan 7: Athletic/Barbarian

Aiko 7/Kenji 7: Average/Anime

Tween Julie 7/Tween Ryan 7: Average/Young Teen

Sunny 7: Average/Everyday

I'm basing the themes off of a combination of the products in each pro bundle and how the character is marketed.

Edited to reflect Eva 7 is actually taller than Victoria 7.

With those eyes, Josie is far from average; much prefer Sunny to some of the other characters; skin looks great from the promos.

I'm buying the pro bundle for two reasons; price is good, but not the main reason; the main reason is the default UVs. The higher price was always justified because of the new UV sets, but the character is at a reasonable discount so that evens it out some.

First time for ages I'll be able to use every item.

I think Eva is more of a tall skinny/toned while Stephanie was short skinny/toned rather than athletic.

Her product page says...

Her lean yet athletic body makes her a perfect addition the Genesis 3 family. Her petite small frame still maintains a spunk and edge all the while keeping true to the softer side of her Eva with her delicate features and feminine frame.

Height: 5' 11" (181.1 cm)

I like Eva but she doesn't really have an identity as a main figure and Daz's description is just a bunch of feminine traits picked at random.

And there is nothing "average" or  "everyday" about Victoria 7. She's tall, curved in the right places, but also athletically muscled well beyond an average person.

I would have liked Sunny to be an updated Kimberly type too. I do like this Sunny too, but her name does not fit her at all.

I don't think the figures fill niches quite that specifically - "Hollywood Greek Athletic Action" doesn't really strike me as a niche.

I'd break them down more like this (Build/Theme):

Victoria 7/Michael 7:  Average/Everyday

Eva 7: Tall/Everyday

Karen 7: Athletic/Superhero

Bethany 7: Voloptuous/Fantasy

Arabella 7: Thin/Vampire

Teen Josie 7: Average/Teen

Olympia 7/Leo 7: Athletic/Greek

Girl 7/Guy 7: Stylized/Toon

Izabella 7: Average/Fantasy

Mei Lin 7/Lee 7: Athletic/Asian

Kalea 7/Kimo 7: Average/Islander

Rune 7/Ivan 7: Athletic/Barbarian

Aiko 7/Kenji 7: Average/Anime

Tween Julie 7/Tween Ryan 7: Average/Young Teen

Sunny 7: Average/Everyday

I'm basing the themes off of a combination of the products in each pro bundle and how the character is marketed.

Edited to reflect Eva 7 is actually taller than Victoria 7.

I tried to label all the characters with what I think is the niche they're meant to represent:

Sunny 7: Josie+Victoria / Selena Gomez

Tween Ryan 7: Young Teen
Tween Julie 7: Young Teen

Kenji 7: Anime / Game
Aiko 7: Anime / Game

Ivan 7: Mature Mobster
Rune 7: Athletic

Kimo 7: Islander
Kalea 7: Islander

Lee 7: Asian
Mei Lin 7: Asian

Izabella 7: Fae / Teen

Guy 7: Toon
Girl 7: Toon

Gianni 7: Athletic
Gia 7: Athletic

2015

Leo 7: Hollywood Greek Athletic Action
Olympia 7: Athletic

Michael 7: "Base" + Attractive + Athletic

Arabella 7: Thin / Vampire
Teen Josie 7: Teen
Karen 7: Athletic
Bethany 7: Curvy
Eva 7: Athletic
Victoria 7: "Base" + Attractive + Athletic

The males are actually doing pretty well in this generation (for once.) But there is so much overlap with the females...

this is a quick  one with Jazmine as a basis, take out all of victoria 7 and dial half half Jazmine and Bethany. Materials in 3delight, so the skin colour might act different in Iray.

I agree with Xyer0 and Mary that Sunny 7 could easily have been placed in the Teen Josie family as she looks like she could be late teens to early 20's. Alternatively, she could have been placed in the Victoria 7 family as a young V7. Like many other people I think her face is really gorgeous, one of the best for G3F yet, but I see no reason for her being placed as a separate family. What is distinct about her? She is not the youngest, or oldest, or thinest, or fattest or... anything really. Sunny 7 is just a gorgeous character who could belong to one of a few existing G3F families. I have read (haven't downloaded her yet) that she does not have her own UVs. Hurray for that!

To be honest though, if Sunny 7 is meant to be a late teen to early 20's character, the skin texture on the base Sunny 7 looks too old (more like late 20's to 30's), at least from the promo pics. Perhaps too many hours sunbathing without proper sun protection? I wish that the PA had used a younger live model to obtain the skin textures (or one that used sun screen!). Whilst there are only a few (why??) promo pictures for Lindsey for Sunny 7, they at least show a skin texture which appears to be more in keeping with the apparent age of the character.

Fortunately, Lindsey is in the Starter Bundle, unfortunately the Sunny Hair is not! From a customer point of veiw I had expected (and hoped for) the Sunny Hair to be with Sunny in the starter bundle, but alas no. Now I may have to buy the Pro bundle even though it has only one extra item I consider worth having. There is the art of making bundles.

Well technically you could buy the Starter Bundle then use the Sunny Hair to trigger the PA sale 10% discount on both. But at the price you might as well get the Pro Bundle at that point.

I agree with Xyer0 and Mary that Sunny 7 could easily have been placed in the Teen Josie family as she looks like she could be late teens to early 20's. Alternatively, she could have been placed in the Victoria 7 family as a young V7. Like many other people I think her face is really gorgeous, one of the best for G3F yet, but I see no reason for her being placed as a separate family. What is distinct about her? She is not the youngest, or oldest, or thinest, or fattest or... anything really. Sunny 7 is just a gorgeous character who could belong to one of a few existing G3F families. I have read (haven't downloaded her yet) that she does not have her own UVs. Hurray for that!

To be honest though, if Sunny 7 is meant to be a late teen to early 20's character, the skin texture on the base Sunny 7 looks too old (more like late 20's to 30's), at least from the promo pics. Perhaps too many hours sunbathing without proper sun protection? I wish that the PA had used a younger live model to obtain the skin textures (or one that used sun screen!). Whilst there are only a few (why??) promo pictures for Lindsey for Sunny 7, they at least show a skin texture which appears to be more in keeping with the apparent age of the character.

Fortunately, Lindsey is in the Starter Bundle, unfortunately the Sunny Hair is not! From a customer point of veiw I had expected (and hoped for) the Sunny Hair to be with Sunny in the starter bundle, but alas no. Now I may have to buy the Pro bundle even though it has only one extra item I consider worth having. There is the art of making bundles.

You could try Cara by Raiya. http://www.daz3d.com/cara-hd-for-victoria-6

You would have to morph her up a bit.

Edit: Does work with some items in the PA sale, but not with the Aiko face morphs (which are showing at 58% for no apparent reason.)

Thouuughts?

My initial thought is that I quite like her as a Victoria replacement, and I like the Starter Bundle over the Pro Bundle for once, but I'm not really seeing any "big savings" compared to other character releases.

https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/207530823-How-do-I-work-with-Victoria-4-and-her-clothing-

 

Thank you, Kerya! I think that might help! :) I'll try it out this evening. 

I am sure that PAs are kept pretty busy building new products. It would take far too much time to expect them to go back and rerender promos of back cat stuff  TBH.

Then I'll turn that around; why have it still for sale (especially at the full price) if updating how it will look is too much trouble?

Because there are still users who will buy it, even if there's no updated promos or materials, so having it in your store is still worth it. Taking time to create new materials and promos though? The vendor would maybe get a few more sales after update, but on the other hand they could have spent that time to create the materials and promos for a new product, which should generate way more revenue.
When you have bills to pay the choice is quickly done....

You ignored the part in brackets, which you haven't addressed. :) I've commented on it elsewhere myself.

Not really; using Victoria 4.2 as an example, DAZ can give it away as a free item or sell it at lower cost because they've already made enough on it to cover what it cost to buy it from the creator. Updating the promotional images likely won't make a significant difference in sales since it's such an old figure now. And, I think most would consider 60% off of whatever the current store price is to be a better deal than 60% off of a substantially lower base price.

60% of a lower price is a better price than 60 of a higher price.

100 - 60% is 40; 50 - 60% is 20.

Of course if its Daz discount-maths, with the way percentages are calculated, I've no clue; each has to be calculated with the various percentages taken into consideration, whilst reading the promo for what gives what, when and how - for how long: is often a guess.

 

I am sure that PAs are kept pretty busy building new products. It would take far too much time to expect them to go back and rerender promos of back cat stuff  TBH.

Then I'll turn that around; why have it still for sale (especially at the full price) if updating how it will look is too much trouble?

Because there are still users who will buy it, even if there's no updated promos or materials, so having it in your store is still worth it. Taking time to create new materials and promos though? The vendor would maybe get a few more sales after update, but on the other hand they could have spent that time to create the materials and promos for a new product, which should generate way more revenue.
When you have bills to pay the choice is quickly done....

You ignored the part in brackets, which you haven't addressed. :) I've commented on it elsewhere myself.

With DAZ having sales all the time most people don't buy at full price, especially for older items.

Lowering the base price on older items would be interesting for the PA only if it brings them enough extra sales to offset the money they'll lose on each sale (which will probably made at 60-70% off anyway). And the chances of that happening are rather small, as the DAZ/Poser content market itself is quite small.

Besides just because an item has been released a few years ago doesn't mean it's not worth its original price anymore...

I might have paid full price for one item, ever; but can't be certain.

I know how Daz sales work, and that there are Sales all the time; but for new visitors, it must look strange, when they realise old items are still quite high; perhaps by the time that realisation sinks in though, they discover the mantra: "there will always be another sale".

Actually, to me, getting something that's normally priced at $100 for $40 is a better deal than getting the same item priced at $50 for $20; I'm getting more actual savings that way. Yes, it's the same percentage off, but this way it's more beneficial to the person that made the item.

"Handy for Genesis" is from 3dCelebrity. But it is part of the bundle "Victoria pro suite" which is DazOriginals. Am I allowed to use it in an Indy Game with the gaming license for DazOriginals?

 

Links:

http://www.daz3d.com/handy-for-genesis

http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-5-pro-suite

Interesting catch. Based on the facts that

- Handy for Genesis is also part of the Victoria 5 "Starter" and "Pro" bundles

- standard "Starter" and "Pro" bundles for original figures for all intents and purposes should only consist of DAZ Original products

one could assume that

- it was forgotten to add the DAZ Originals tag to Handy for Genesis"

Still, it is probably best if you contact support directly and ask for an official answer:

http://www.daz3d.com/help/help-contact-us

"Handy for Genesis" is from 3dCelebrity. But it is part of the bundle "Victoria pro suite" which is DazOriginals. Am I allowed to use it in an Indy Game with the gaming license for DazOriginals?

Links:

http://www.daz3d.com/handy-for-genesis

http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-5-pro-suite

https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/207530823-How-do-I-work-with-Victoria-4-and-her-clothing-

Well, you do know that most V4 clothes have adjustments on them for diffrent body parts, right? I seem to have the opposite problem because most V4 clothes came with so many adjustments and G3 clothes don't have as much and then I get poke through on G3 with G3 clothes...  But with most V4 clothes you can select sometimes the body or the chest or whatever part needs adjusting and just dial in the changes, so if your character is heavy, dial in heavy until it fits, there are usually tons of little adjustments you can make, it's not like autofit... Plus you can try "magnetize" and see if that works. It's in one the Victoria 4 folders. All my experience with V4 has been in Poser though, but I'm assuming it's the same...

Oddly I've not really had much issue with the fit of newer clothing. I do appreciate the morphs that come with the V4 clothing - sadly they still, imo, leave much to be desired. Like many aren't precise enough to give a proper fit. Like it seams you have to expand the chest area to keep the ta-tas from flashing the world, but in doing so it often expands in not just the breast area but the sides as well or even the collar area and gives that area a big puffy or "floaty" look -like the garment is floating off the shoulders.

I've never tried magnetize. I've heard of it before but I don't know how that works. I'll have to look into it. :)

Thanks for the advice and help, Wonderland! V4 and M4 and all those guys are a total mystery to me. I would like to work with them more though and learn more about making good art with them because of how often I see the V4/M4/A4 stuff go SUPER CHEAP. :)

micro reflection + fresnel effect on G3F, no postwork

Very nice!

Hey... when was the last time you've messed around with Victoria 3? I haven't as long as I've had Carrara, I don't think.

Well I was just perusing the store, and as soon as I saw this, you came to mind (I have to show this to Remo, I said to myself!)

Lynara by Thorne and Sarsa

Phil, Very nice render!!! :)

Well, you do know that most V4 clothes have adjustments on them for diffrent body parts, right? I seem to have the opposite problem because most V4 clothes came with so many adjustments and G3 clothes don't have as much and then I get poke through on G3 with G3 clothes...  But with most V4 clothes you can select sometimes the body or the chest or whatever part needs adjusting and just dial in the changes, so if your character is heavy, dial in heavy until it fits, there are usually tons of little adjustments you can make, it's not like autofit... Plus you can try "magnetize" and see if that works. It's in one the Victoria 4 folders. All my experience with V4 has been in Poser though, but I'm assuming it's the same...

I have rendered V4 a few times, but have always rendered her with her "Basic Wear" bikini and have never had any issues getting it to fit right. However I have quite a bit of other V4 clothing (some freebies, but several bought in the Daz store) and don't understand what I'm doing wrong - as none if it is really fitting her. What I am doing wrong? 

I'm getting massive poke through with just about everything I've put on her (except her "basic wear"). 

Ironically, G2F wears V4's clothes better than V4 does (thanks to Victoria 4 for Genesis 2 Female). Here are the same clothes on G2F:

What am I doing wrong? Why aren't V4's clothes fitting her? I'd really like to use V4 more but I spend so much time trying to get rid of all the poke through (and usually failing) that I just give up and load G2F or G3F instead. I have quite a few really lovely V4 characters and I want to use them, but I just can't seam to figure out what the deal is - what am I doing wrong? What is the trick to her clothing?

Any help you guys can give me would be much appreciated! 

Equivelant morphs to the Genesis morph bundle you mentioned do exist for Genesis 2 and Genesis 3. Toe control doesn't have an equivelant here that I know of, and Victoria 4 is old tech that predates Genesis1.

So Ideal feet and genesis evolution exists for both Gensis 3 and 2? I did not see anything about that in your link. Toe control is the whole world if you work with series like I do. Try to create two martial artists without that

and make it look good = good luck.

Equivelant morphs to the Genesis morph bundle you mentioned do exist for Genesis 2 and Genesis 3. Toe control doesn't have an equivelant here that I know of, and Victoria 4 is old tech that predates Genesis1.