Frinkky and ecks201, thank you for the replies. When I have some time I am going try the export morph options and I am glad to see this is a recognized problem by other DAZ customers and hopefully will be addressed by DAZ at some point.

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I had to get a new hard drive so I reinstalled Daz Studio.  When trying to convert my Generation 7 female characters to Generation 8, I'm getting a distorted face.  I've uninstalled and reinstalled the program, even deleted the RSCloneGenesis3Female.obj file from the folder C:\Users\nekur\AppData\Roaming\DAZ 3D\Studio4\CharacterConverterMorphs, with no change.  The Generation 7 character as well as Genesis 8 load without a flaw.  Here's what I'm getting, attached or from https://www.deviantart.com/wow-creations/art/Converted-920761392. ; I just looked at the parameters for the character I converted, which was Agnes.  It isn't showing an Agnes head or body for 8, just Agnes itself.

The clone is for a different Character Converter.  Maybe it is pulling in the converted morphs twice?  From your previous conversion on the old hard drive and a new conversion?  What directories are specified in the content manager?  You should check all the currently used morphs on the character and find the morphs.  The Parameter Settings show the Asset File Path of the morph (and the [...] button shows the full path of the morph).  Make sure the morphs are coming from where you think they should be coming.

I use two different drives when using software.  I have the OS drive which I replaced and the data drive.  I renamed the original Daz drive as “Daz 3D2 Old”, before installing the Daz Studio.  When installing Daz Studio, I allowed it to keep the “Daz 3D” folder, but also use the new “My DAZ 3D Library” folder.  I just remember to look at the Error Log when loading Agnes Genesis 8 and this is what I’m getting:

2022-06-29 07:16:21.449 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/XTransfer/3D%20Universe/ToonGenerations2/Base/XT_CTRL3duToonGenerations2_AdjustAge.dsf#XTIDCTRL3duToonGenerations2_AdjustAge?value - in file: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Zev0/Shape%20Shift/Arm%20Length.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:21.506 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Head/Old/PHMEyesIrisSize.dsf#PHMEyesIrisSize?value - in file: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/Meredith/VYK%20Meredith%20Head.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.060 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/SickleYield2017/UniversalBreastHelper/PBMSYUBHGiantAll_proj.dsf#PBMSYUBHGiantAll_proj?value - in file: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/SickleYield2017/UniversalBreastHelper/PBMSYUBHGiantAll.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.125 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/Javeria%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ThighBndFwdHDR.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.155 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/Javeria%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ThighBndFwdHDL.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.628 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ShoulderBndFwd_110_R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.665 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ShoulderBndFwd_110_L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.769 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ShinBndBck_145_R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.806 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ShinBndBck_145_L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.895 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ForearmBnd_135_R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.935 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ForearmBnd_135_L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:31.020 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%20Originals/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsfCFred%20Winkler%20Art/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsfCSabby/FWSA%20Agnes%20HD%20for%20Lilith%207/PHMMouthRealismHD.dsf#PHMMouthRealismHD?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:31.020 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%20Originals/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsfCFred%20Winkler%20Art/FW%20Brooke%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/FHMVictoria7.dsf#FHMVictoria7?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:31.021 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%20Originals/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsfCFred%20Winkler%20Art/FW%20Brooke%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/FBMVictoria7.dsf#FBMVictoria7?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:32.694 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6969): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Olympia%208/FBMOlympia8.dsf#FBMOlympia8_Test?value - in file: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/fabiana/KillerLegsG8/1FK-Olympia8BaseFix.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:40.096 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Olympia%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FOlympia7ForeArmBndHD_n100L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:40.261 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Olympia%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FOlympia7ForeArmBndHD_100R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:40.986 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Mei%20Lin%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FMeiLin7ShinBndBck_95R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:41.152 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Mei%20Lin%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FMeiLin7ShinBndBck_95L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:41.322 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Mei%20Lin%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FMeiLin7ShinBndBckR.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:41.494 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Mei%20Lin%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FMeiLin7ShinBndBckL.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:43.828 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ShldrFwd_n90L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.007 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ShldrFwd_90R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.191 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ShinBndBck_90R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.369 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ShinBndBck_90L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.669 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ForearmBnd_n85L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.910 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ForearmBnd_85R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:56.769 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/-Yannek-%2CDAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Gia%207/pJCMRSG3FGia7ForeArmBnd_n135L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:57.067 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/-Yannek-%2CDAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Gia%207/pJCMRSG3FGia7ForeArmBnd_135R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:17:00.107 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/-Yannek-%2CDAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Arabella%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FArabella7ForeArmBnd_n135L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:17:00.418 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/-Yannek-%2CDAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Arabella%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FArabella7ForeArmBnd_135R.dsf

 

2022-06-29 07:17:02.981 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5962): Parent for modifier not found: TMLI Lashes 06.

2022-06-29 07:17:02.981 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(1712): Modifier not prepared: TMLI Lashes 06!

2022-06-29 07:17:02.981 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(1729): Modifier not created: TMLI Lashes 06!

Here’s an image of my Content Directory Manager. 

What looks bad in your Content Directory is that you have no user library in the Daz Studio Formats.  That means the character converter would be writing morphs (and possibly deleting morphs if the overwrite option is checked) in the Daz content folder.  You will get bad/weird results from that.  I am afraid you might have hosed your morphs folder at this point.  You need something a user content folder as the first folder in the Daz Studio Formats section.  Then, this folder would be used to write out morphs from the conversions and would not overwrite your Daz content library.

I'm sorry, but from what I can see I have a Content Directory in the Daz Studio Format.  Could you give a step by step solution in solving this problem.  I've used Daz Studio for several years, along with Character Converter, but I think I'm missing something based on what you're seeing and I'm trying to interpret.

Usually what you will see in Daz Studio Formats is something like this:

The SECOND entry points to My Daz 3D Library which has all of your installed content.  The FIRST entry points to all of YOUR content, whether stuff you create or is created for you by converters.  This ensures that everything you create never overwrites the installed content causing problems.  Mostly, Daz Studio treats these two content directories as one big content directory, for example the morphs in D:\Documents\My Daz 3D Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs AND in D:\Documents\DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs are both loaded and available as morphs for Genesis 8 Females.  However, Daz Studio saves all the morphs and other data ONLY in the FIRST directory when a conversion occurs, ensuring that converted morphs do not overwrite installed content morphs.  However, you are missing that first entry and your converters have been saving into the installed content folder, more than likely corrupting installed content.

I fixed my Daz Studio folders like the image.  I even manually downloaded the converter program and copied the files into my "My Daz 3D Library" folder.  However, I'm still getting the same result, however the male converter program is working fine.  Any other ideas?

What do you mean that you copied the files into "My Daz 3D Library" folder?  What files?  None of the converted morphs should go in there.  I would uninstall and reinstall Essentials so you get back the original morphs from Daz.  Load a figure and make sure it is fixed.  Then with the Daz Studio folders fixed, re-convert and make sure the morphs are showing up in your "My Library" folder and not "My Daz 3D library" folder.

This may or may not be important, I use the Daz Install Manager.  I uninstalled the Genesis 3 and 8 Essentials, converter 3 to 8 female, along with Victoria 7.  I then reinstalled them . Before I tried the conversion on Victoria 7, I removed the morph folder in the "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\DAZ 3D\My Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs" folder for Victoria 7.  I also made certain to remove the folder that was created by the converter for Victoria 7 from the "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\My DAZ 3D Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs" folder, from my previous conversions.  However, I'm still getting the same problem.  The morphs are going into the "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\DAZ 3D\My Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs" folder.  I reset the settings on the converter and I've verified that they are the same for the female as the male (which is working), but I'm still getting the same problem.  It's making me wonder if there are another set of files that need to be deleted, to make this thing work.

When the converter converts something, its morphs will go in M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\DAZ 3D\My Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs.  However, BEFORE you converted anything, was the vanilla G8F correct?  If not, there are some bad morphs in your installed morphs folder: M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\My DAZ 3D Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs

I uninstalled everything from  "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\DAZ 3D\My Library\" and "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\My DAZ 3D Library\", even uninstalled the Daz Program.  I deleted folders that weren't needed.  However, after reinstalling everything, I'm getting the same problem.  In fact, the converter program remembered the old settings.  There's a setting in the system that didn't get deleted when I uninstalled everything that I could think of.  I even deleted the files in username/appdata/ that belonged to Daz Studio.  The only thing I didn't deleted were settings for the Daz Install Manager.  

The script remembers its SETTINGs because those are in the registry (but the morphs, which are the problem should be gone if you uninstalled and deleted properly).  If you are comfortable with RegEdit, you can remove the settings (just search for the script name in the registry).

There are morphs corrupted somewhere or being pulled in when they shouldn't be.  Clear your scene.  Load in your generic Genesis 8 Female figure (that contains the distortion). View the Daz Log (Help->Troubleshooting...->View Daz Log.  Look for 

2022-07-11 07:08:46.257 [INFO] :: Begin asset load (open): /People/Genesis 8 Female/Genesis 8 Basic Female.duf

[...LOTS OF MESSAGES HERE]

2022-07-11 07:08:50.243 [INFO] :: Finished asset load (open): 0m 3.986s - /People/Genesis 8 Female/Genesis 8 Basic Female.duf

Somewhere in there is probably a message about loading something it shouldn't (look for .dsf).  If not, it is the /People/Genesis 8 Female/Genesis 8 Basic Female.duf that is corrupted I think.  You *might* (because it is a relative path and could have been installed via DIM or Daz Connect) multiple versions of that file.  One of them is the problem.

nabob21 said:

I have had this issue quite a bit with G8.1 characters and it seems to be a result of the mouth realism morphs. In G8.1 figures both the G8 and G8.1 versions of the realism morph are set at 100% and that is what seems to be causing the distortion. I usually dial them back close to zero and that seems to fix the issue.

I'm with nabab. Try dialing down Mouth Realism first.

The possible cause of the problem is mentioned in this thread.
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/519516/teeth-disotrtion-with-lanuola-character

I'd look at using https://www.daz3d.com/bonnie-hair-for-genesis-8-females alongside one of the fringes from https://www.daz3d.com/mega-updo-hair-for-genesis-3-and-8-females (see 3rd promo image). Apply the same hair shader to both parts.

montrealfilmguy said:

The one i use that has hair like that and a ponytail is the Death stranding mama character from DUF at Renderhub. Plus that skin is jaw-dropping amazing.

The diffuse textures are from https://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-8-for-genesis-8-females. Only the head has a normal map, which is lifted from another character. Additionally, the hair won't work directly if using another character's skin as 1. the hair cap is painted on the head diffuse and 2. The shape of the hair is baked in to the character morph.

hjake said:

Sorel said:

I notice vendors don't really pay attention when they import morphs back to daz, especially after using hd of course. I actually created my own "reverse deformations" morph to fix such problems. 

 

Could you elaborate on how you did a reverse morph to remove the problem?

Not the person you were asking, but this is something I've done frequently: in a nutshell you would export both the character and base G8F/G8.1F to an external 3d modelling software. Create a morph of G8F on to the character, restricted to the area that needs resetting, in this case the mouth and teeth, then adjust size/position of the affected area to match any scale/height differences, ensure the morph blends smoothly with a little tweaking/sculpting, then export as an additional morph to run alongside the original character morph inside Daz.

I don't have that one but it's a morph presumably under Actor in parameters, entering suit should find it

edit, no, NM it uses geografts, I use an older one on Genesis 1 with just spandex morphs 

RiverSoftArt said:

Nekura2000 said:

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Nekura2000 said:

I had to get a new hard drive so I reinstalled Daz Studio.  When trying to convert my Generation 7 female characters to Generation 8, I'm getting a distorted face.  I've uninstalled and reinstalled the program, even deleted the RSCloneGenesis3Female.obj file from the folder C:\Users\nekur\AppData\Roaming\DAZ 3D\Studio4\CharacterConverterMorphs, with no change.  The Generation 7 character as well as Genesis 8 load without a flaw.  Here's what I'm getting, attached or from https://www.deviantart.com/wow-creations/art/Converted-920761392. ; I just looked at the parameters for the character I converted, which was Agnes.  It isn't showing an Agnes head or body for 8, just Agnes itself.

The clone is for a different Character Converter.  Maybe it is pulling in the converted morphs twice?  From your previous conversion on the old hard drive and a new conversion?  What directories are specified in the content manager?  You should check all the currently used morphs on the character and find the morphs.  The Parameter Settings show the Asset File Path of the morph (and the [...] button shows the full path of the morph).  Make sure the morphs are coming from where you think they should be coming.

I use two different drives when using software.  I have the OS drive which I replaced and the data drive.  I renamed the original Daz drive as “Daz 3D2 Old”, before installing the Daz Studio.  When installing Daz Studio, I allowed it to keep the “Daz 3D” folder, but also use the new “My DAZ 3D Library” folder.  I just remember to look at the Error Log when loading Agnes Genesis 8 and this is what I’m getting:

2022-06-29 07:16:21.449 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/XTransfer/3D%20Universe/ToonGenerations2/Base/XT_CTRL3duToonGenerations2_AdjustAge.dsf#XTIDCTRL3duToonGenerations2_AdjustAge?value - in file: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Zev0/Shape%20Shift/Arm%20Length.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:21.506 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Head/Old/PHMEyesIrisSize.dsf#PHMEyesIrisSize?value - in file: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/Meredith/VYK%20Meredith%20Head.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.060 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/SickleYield2017/UniversalBreastHelper/PBMSYUBHGiantAll_proj.dsf#PBMSYUBHGiantAll_proj?value - in file: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/SickleYield2017/UniversalBreastHelper/PBMSYUBHGiantAll.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.125 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/Javeria%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ThighBndFwdHDR.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.155 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/Javeria%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ThighBndFwdHDL.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.628 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ShoulderBndFwd_110_R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.665 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ShoulderBndFwd_110_L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.769 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ShinBndBck_145_R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.806 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ShinBndBck_145_L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.895 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ForearmBnd_135_R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:22.935 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/RiverSoft%20Art/FWSA%20Caterina%20for%20Victoria%207%20and%20Genesis%203/pJCMRSG3FVictoria7ForearmBnd_135_L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:31.020 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%20Originals/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsfCFred%20Winkler%20Art/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsfCSabby/FWSA%20Agnes%20HD%20for%20Lilith%207/PHMMouthRealismHD.dsf#PHMMouthRealismHD?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:31.020 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%20Originals/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsfCFred%20Winkler%20Art/FW%20Brooke%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/FHMVictoria7.dsf#FHMVictoria7?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:31.021 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6903): Formula output property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%20Originals/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsfCFred%20Winkler%20Art/FW%20Brooke%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/FBMVictoria7.dsf#FBMVictoria7?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Fred%20Winkler%20Art%2CSabby%2CDAZ%20Originals/FW%20Frankie%20HD%20for%20Victoria%207/CTRL-RSC-Frankie.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:32.694 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6969): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Olympia%208/FBMOlympia8.dsf#FBMOlympia8_Test?value - in file: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/fabiana/KillerLegsG8/1FK-Olympia8BaseFix.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:40.096 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Olympia%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FOlympia7ForeArmBndHD_n100L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:40.261 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Olympia%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FOlympia7ForeArmBndHD_100R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:40.986 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Mei%20Lin%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FMeiLin7ShinBndBck_95R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:41.152 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Mei%20Lin%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FMeiLin7ShinBndBck_95L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:41.322 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Mei%20Lin%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FMeiLin7ShinBndBckR.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:41.494 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Mei%20Lin%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FMeiLin7ShinBndBckL.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:43.828 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ShldrFwd_n90L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.007 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ShldrFwd_90R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.191 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ShinBndBck_90R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.369 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ShinBndBck_90L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.669 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ForearmBnd_n85L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:44.910 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Karen%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FKaren7ForearmBnd_85R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:56.769 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/-Yannek-%2CDAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Gia%207/pJCMRSG3FGia7ForeArmBnd_n135L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:16:57.067 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/-Yannek-%2CDAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Gia%207/pJCMRSG3FGia7ForeArmBnd_135R.dsf

2022-06-29 07:17:00.107 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/-Yannek-%2CDAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Arabella%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FArabella7ForeArmBnd_n135L.dsf

2022-06-29 07:17:00.418 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(7134): Unsupported formula: /data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/-Yannek-%2CDAZ%203D%2CHeysun%20Oh/Arabella%207%20HD%20Add-On/pJCMRSG3FArabella7ForeArmBnd_135R.dsf

 

2022-06-29 07:17:02.981 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5962): Parent for modifier not found: TMLI Lashes 06.

2022-06-29 07:17:02.981 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(1712): Modifier not prepared: TMLI Lashes 06!

2022-06-29 07:17:02.981 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(1729): Modifier not created: TMLI Lashes 06!

Here’s an image of my Content Directory Manager. 

What looks bad in your Content Directory is that you have no user library in the Daz Studio Formats.  That means the character converter would be writing morphs (and possibly deleting morphs if the overwrite option is checked) in the Daz content folder.  You will get bad/weird results from that.  I am afraid you might have hosed your morphs folder at this point.  You need something a user content folder as the first folder in the Daz Studio Formats section.  Then, this folder would be used to write out morphs from the conversions and would not overwrite your Daz content library.

I'm sorry, but from what I can see I have a Content Directory in the Daz Studio Format.  Could you give a step by step solution in solving this problem.  I've used Daz Studio for several years, along with Character Converter, but I think I'm missing something based on what you're seeing and I'm trying to interpret.

Usually what you will see in Daz Studio Formats is something like this:

The SECOND entry points to My Daz 3D Library which has all of your installed content.  The FIRST entry points to all of YOUR content, whether stuff you create or is created for you by converters.  This ensures that everything you create never overwrites the installed content causing problems.  Mostly, Daz Studio treats these two content directories as one big content directory, for example the morphs in D:\Documents\My Daz 3D Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs AND in D:\Documents\DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs are both loaded and available as morphs for Genesis 8 Females.  However, Daz Studio saves all the morphs and other data ONLY in the FIRST directory when a conversion occurs, ensuring that converted morphs do not overwrite installed content morphs.  However, you are missing that first entry and your converters have been saving into the installed content folder, more than likely corrupting installed content.

I fixed my Daz Studio folders like the image.  I even manually downloaded the converter program and copied the files into my "My Daz 3D Library" folder.  However, I'm still getting the same result, however the male converter program is working fine.  Any other ideas?

What do you mean that you copied the files into "My Daz 3D Library" folder?  What files?  None of the converted morphs should go in there.  I would uninstall and reinstall Essentials so you get back the original morphs from Daz.  Load a figure and make sure it is fixed.  Then with the Daz Studio folders fixed, re-convert and make sure the morphs are showing up in your "My Library" folder and not "My Daz 3D library" folder.

This may or may not be important, I use the Daz Install Manager.  I uninstalled the Genesis 3 and 8 Essentials, converter 3 to 8 female, along with Victoria 7.  I then reinstalled them . Before I tried the conversion on Victoria 7, I removed the morph folder in the "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\DAZ 3D\My Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs" folder for Victoria 7.  I also made certain to remove the folder that was created by the converter for Victoria 7 from the "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\My DAZ 3D Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs" folder, from my previous conversions.  However, I'm still getting the same problem.  The morphs are going into the "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\DAZ 3D\My Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs" folder.  I reset the settings on the converter and I've verified that they are the same for the female as the male (which is working), but I'm still getting the same problem.  It's making me wonder if there are another set of files that need to be deleted, to make this thing work.

When the converter converts something, its morphs will go in M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\DAZ 3D\My Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs.  However, BEFORE you converted anything, was the vanilla G8F correct?  If not, there are some bad morphs in your installed morphs folder: M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\My DAZ 3D Library\data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 8\Female\Morphs

I uninstalled everything from  "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\DAZ 3D\My Library\" and "M:\NZXT Storage\Documents\My DAZ 3D Library\", even uninstalled the Daz Program.  I deleted folders that weren't needed.  However, after reinstalling everything, I'm getting the same problem.  In fact, the converter program remembered the old settings.  There's a setting in the system that didn't get deleted when I uninstalled everything that I could think of.  I even deleted the files in username/appdata/ that belonged to Daz Studio.  The only thing I didn't deleted were settings for the Daz Install Manager.  

Stezza said:

put the Carrara Cube to some use and came up with this wacky DownUnder Dragon for you all to experiment with.. 

Boned and a mouth morph... but you may ( will ) have to do some weight painting on the wings when posing ... I didn't really spend much time on this fella 

but you'll find him burning up the zip file busting to get out to be poked and prodded... as always any improvements you come up with share back here 

Thanks Stezza !!!

Ruo Xi and Bambie are both credited at the bottom of the Lupineve page, so maybe a combination of the two, since the same female figure is used in all of Lupineve's promos. Enchanted Fairy credits Bianca.

put the Carrara Cube to some use and came up with this wacky DownUnder Dragon for you all to experiment with.. 

Boned and a mouth morph... but you may ( will ) have to do some weight painting on the wings when posing ... I didn't really spend much time on this fella 

but you'll find him burning up the zip file busting to get out to be poked and prodded... as always any improvements you come up with share back here 

Looks like the kind of thing you'd see on Renderotica/CGBytes, possibly by GuhzCoituz. Apart from the face, it also looks like someone just turned every single muscularity morph up, possibly past the limit.

Hello, I was wondering if anybody knew what morph/character this is, or if its custom made, since I can't find it anywhere. Thanks in advance!

Sevrin said:

marble said:

kyoto kid said:

...G3 just didn't have as long a run as G8 or the number of more diverse and "unique" base characters. Save for the centaurs most G3 figures were still pretty much the same basic Daz line-up with a couple demons and vamps thrown in. 

One of the issues between G8 and G3 is the increased use of hierarchical presets that need workarounds to use.  I've tried to apply G8 skins to G3 only to get error messages. 

 

G8 has become the V4 of the Genesis generations. I bet Rendo will still be producing G8 products long after DAZ has moved production to G9/10/X whatever.

Renderosity doesn't produce any 3D assets.  They sell V4 assets because they work in Poser. 

OK, wrong choice of words: sell, not produce. I think they will continue to SELL G8 long after G8 is confined to the DAZ legacy category, not because of Poser but because there will be a market for G8 for as long as people like me hang on to the G8 investment instead of spending a small fortune replacing all the morph packs, characters, etc. As I said earlier, I don't have much faith in converters - either clothing or characters so G8 will be my main working model until I eventually can't resist the new products appearing in the store. That's how it has been since I started this hobby: I'm always late to the party but that's intentional.

Thank you, all, for answering! I followed Catherine's advice. In the resulting file I saw that the morph was for a GF8.1 mesh not a GF8. When I loaded the default 8.1 mesh, the morph was there.

Found this post by Thomas Larsson on blenderartists.org:

The pose library only stores the bone transforms, I think. Not custom properties, i.e. the morph slider values.

There are rumours that the pose library will get an overhaul in Blender 3.0. Perhaps this will make it possible to store properties too.

Is it possible to convert diffeomorphic face morphs to pose library poses in Blender?

After dragging a viseme or expression slider to the right, I can see the Rigify rig moving along with the mesh's face. Next, I select the affected bones in Pose Mode and try to add the new bone's positions to the pose library by hitting PoseLib Add Pose button > Add New.

Problem is that the Apply Pose Library Pose button, with the magnifier icon, does not do anything.

I have tried this same procedure both with the original face bones of the Rigify rig generated by the Diffeomorphic addon, as well as the additional bones that get added when you use the "Add Extra Face Bones" option, under Advanced Setup > Rigging. None seem to work for the pose library.

Curiously, when I manually move the poseable face bones of the rig, and then add the pose to the library, it works as correctly as intended. This seems to be a limitation of the morph sliders, not the rig itself. What is the workflow to make it work?

By the way, using the "Make All Bones Poseable" option before converting the DAZ rig to the Rigify one does not impart any difference that I have noticed, what does it do, exactly?

Also, the reason I am trying to achieve this is to be able to use the pose library for Lip Sync with the Rhubarb addon in Blender.

Sorel said:

I notice vendors don't really pay attention when they import morphs back to daz, especially after using hd of course. I actually created my own "reverse deformations" morph to fix such problems. 

Could you elaborate on how you did a reverse morph to remove the problem?

I notice vendors don't really pay attention when they import morphs back to daz, especially after using hd of course. I actually created my own "reverse deformations" morph to fix such problems. 

I have had this issue quite a bit with G8.1 characters and it seems to be a result of the mouth realism morphs. In G8.1 figures both the G8 and G8.1 versions of the realism morph are set at 100% and that is what seems to be causing the distortion. I usually dial them back close to zero and that seems to fix the issue.

lukon100 said:

As an ammusing side note, I think I accidentally made a cartoonish/characature Robert Mitchum when I was goofing around with magnus1781's Humphry Bogart head morph.

https://www.deviantart.com/luqu/art/Just-Say-No-To-The-Bird-910488875

The guy on the right side in that picture.

On the left, that looks more like Warren Beatty.