Ok, here's another crack at Victoria's Changing Fantasy Outfit and the Olympian Comforming Clothing. I converted from V2 to V3 via Cross Dresser. There are options to keep morphs or add fitting morphs. It's hit or miss- sometimes the program crashes. Not sure why. I need to learn Cross Dresser better. There's a TON you can do with. 

The feet are still an issue, but the rest fits very well. For the Olympian, the sandals fit fine, in the default T pose. But if you choose any other pose, they go wonky. That's why Olympia 7 looks like a Barbie doll here, I just put her arms down, but left her lower half in the T pose.

For Victoria's Changing Fantasy Suit, I had to actually scale down the thigh bones of the outfit and do some dialing of the feet and toes to get this anywhere close to fitting. It still looks wonky. I put the smoothers on and hid the toes that were poking through. It's the best I can do on that one. This texture is from one of the add on mappacks and doesn't look bad. The shield still warps when posed, so in this case, posing the lower body and carefully hand posing the upper body might work best. Or just use a different shield and turn this one's opacity to zero in the Surfaces Tab.

I may load this on a V3 in Poser to see if I can find those dials that are supposed to change the suit. They aren't anywhere to be found in DAZ so far.

Well the good news is the morphs to change the Changing Fantasy Suit are available in DS, the bad news is that those morphs seem to be lost when you autofit them to another figure, so will only work when fit to the original V1/2 or M1/2 figures.

The morphs are also not on the main figure, but on a part of the figure. For example for the helmet, click and select this (ie the head part), and then look in the Parameters and you will see a parameter called "Change Part". For Victoria's Changing Fantasy Suit you can click on this drop down list and select from 6 other helmets (albeit the last 3 are really just head jewelry, not helmets). Likewise selecting chest, hip and forearm will also allow you to change parts of the suit.

There is probably a workaround to the autofit removes the morph problem. but I have not found it so far.

@Lynara, with that bellgown, it looks like the skirt just has a morph that causes a "bloating" effect, therefore affecting the textures, maybe? Are the skirt surface texture tied to the upper part of the dress? Although I like the other gown in the set, I'm not crazy about the bellgown (so I'm on the fence). I personally prefer A3 Marie Antoniette Gown for a big dress. The other dress poses well? Does it have morphs to add movement by default, or did you included them with the cross-dresser thing?

The thing you mentioned with the shield in Victoria's Fantasy Outfit also happened to me when I tried fitting Paladin HD MMXV for Gen2 Male to Gen3 female (example below). Overall, it transferred pretty well and the textures are amazing. I used Alien Metals to get the settings for the Iray metals (but without replacing the textures) in order to change the armor's color. Then used Fantasy Leather Iray Shaders to change the pants to chainmail. So the issues I  got when transferring this outfit (to keep in mind) are:

• As mentioned, the shield got wonky whenever I posed the figure.
• The lower part cloth/tunic as well as the sash & the hair on the helment lost the morphs for movement when converted (so I forgo them).
• For Gen3Female I replaced the original cape for Chevaleresse Armor for Genesis 3 Female(s)'s cape.
• The sash, I don't remember from which outfit I took it from :/
• Original Paladin helment fit just fine, but since you won't be able to pose the bit of hair coming out. So I replaced it with Alruna's Genesis helmet.

But overall, everything else looked superb. Maybe if I transferred the cape via SY Ultra Templates, I might've been able to add movement... might try at a later date.

So left side shows the Complete Paladin's Armor worn by a Gen2 Male. Right side shows some of the pieces transferred to Gen3 female via WearThemAll.

Here's another angle of the final product (after all the kitbashing):

i'm going to wait until Victoria 8 before i buy anything  

For me, Genesis 4/Victoria 8/Michael 8 will only have to do one thing to get my attention. But since the odds of that are pretty small, indeed nearly impossible, I think it's safe to say I'm gonna pass on the Big Release whenever it comes. Hopefully before we get to Vicky 9 or 10 some 3rd party provider will have come up with a viable solution since I really don't see Daz -- or to be fair, Smith Micro either -- in any big hurry to make it work in Poser with a minimum of fuss. Oh well, that's progress. Maybe I'll get lucky and be able to use a future incarnation of Daz Studio, which will solve all my New Genesis woes. 

Ok, here's another crack at Victoria's Changing Fantasy Outfit and the Olympian Comforming Clothing. I converted from V2 to V3 via Cross Dresser. There are options to keep morphs or add fitting morphs. It's hit or miss- sometimes the program crashes. Not sure why. I need to learn Cross Dresser better. There's a TON you can do with. 

The feet are still an issue, but the rest fits very well. For the Olympian, the sandals fit fine, in the default T pose. But if you choose any other pose, they go wonky. That's why Olympia 7 looks like a Barbie doll here, I just put her arms down, but left her lower half in the T pose.

For Victoria's Changing Fantasy Suit, I had to actually scale down the thigh bones of the outfit and do some dialing of the feet and toes to get this anywhere close to fitting. It still looks wonky. I put the smoothers on and hid the toes that were poking through. It's the best I can do on that one. This texture is from one of the add on mappacks and doesn't look bad. The shield still warps when posed, so in this case, posing the lower body and carefully hand posing the upper body might work best. Or just use a different shield and turn this one's opacity to zero in the Surfaces Tab.

I may load this on a V3 in Poser to see if I can find those dials that are supposed to change the suit. They aren't anywhere to be found in DAZ so far.

LOL- I just realized V7's nose is poking out of the helmet. Might have to turn that off too! 

Body fat percentages are frequently unrealistic on the female characters. It is quite unusual for an adult woman to have a really round baby face, large breasts, and to be overlly thin almost to the point of anorexia everywhere else. It happens but it is uncommon. Heads are frequently a bit large for the bodies, and posture is usually not realistic. 3d Women have very little arm fat. Arms are really thin on a lot of the characters. Of course the lack of body hair is always an issue.

It doesn't really matter how rare these things are, if their are real people who exist like this then they have a place. Most people do not look like Olympic athletes or super models, but they do exist in reality. Every form of media is dominated by the general attractiveness of the people in it, even music. If you don't look good, it is harder for you to top the charts. Its a sad fact of reality. Comic book characters are almost universally drawn as being near the general perception of perfection.

That does not mean I am against the general argument you make. But your argument is not about really asking for realism, it is more about asking for average and flawed people.

Anyway, I'll toss in Gwennilli as a nice G3F character. Some of the recent releases have been pretty nice.

I agree with you.. I had to go and search out your pick...
https://www.daz3d.com/gwennili-hd-for-victoria-7
Wow.. interesting pick and what was interesting was the dirty skin option.. it gave a real sense of a character... the details in the skin tell the story of the character.
I'm hoping that people who make the characters take all of this these ideas you have put out and raise the bar by adding the details and instead of sterile things that all look like manikins... but then its what we do with what we have... isn't it? 

Nope. Not one bit excited. Genesis 4 and Victoria/Michael 8 would have to be absolutely mind blowing for me to even consider them. And as others said, unless there are some nice conversion tools available right off the bat; I don't care how amazing they are, I wont bother. The investment is just too high. I don't think I am alone in thinking this way. People will want their past purchased content to work seamlessly.

Precisely my feeling. Can't afford the new wardrobe, new characters, and especially the new batch of morphs that fix or improve what should have been part of the figure to start with. 

I have never been an early adopter. I wait at least a year until the essentials (main characters, head and body morphs, Zev0 add-ons) start appearing in the sales. So I guess one reason to welcome G4 will be the extended sales of G3 items.

Nope. Not one bit excited. Genesis 4 and Victoria/Michael 8 would have to be absolutely mind blowing for me to even consider them. And as others said, unless there are some nice conversion tools available right off the bat; I don't care how amazing they are, I wont bother. The investment is just too high. I don't think I am alone in thinking this way. People will want their past purchased content to work seamlessly.

Can't wait to see Victoria 8 this month :D 

You might have to!

We don't know when its due; we even don't know that there is a Genesis 4, although something to follow Genesis 3, considering what we know at the this time, seems certain.

Personally I'm in no hurry, but am curious what Daz will do. On balance I prefer G3 to G2 and prior, but not in all aspects.

I don't need better skin; I need better hair and cloth dynamics; does that require a move to Genesis 4?

I've no idea what changes would be required to Studio to accommodate such features - presuming they appear.

In the mean time, I have lots of tools, and not enough time to use them all; so I switch between them, often not because one is better but because if I don't it was a waste of cash.

... Besides it will be at least 6 months after the release of G4 (or whatever) before there is enough useful add-ons to support it - going on previous experience. With G3 I made some of my own tools, a couple I released as freebies, and a couple I didn't.

For those who asked about the products I used in the product promo renders.

Numbered from left to right on below:

1. Victoria 7 skin, Chace hair (AprilYSH) and Dark Storm outfit
2. Imogen skin (FWSA), Tinkerbell hair (by Propschick) and Lulu outfit (Nikisatez)
3. Uma skin (FWSA), Sleek Chic outfit
4. Olympia skin, Oleander hair (goldtassel) and Tokyo Stroll top (Xarsa & Xena)
5. Willow skin (Mihrelle), Frawn hair (goldtassel) and Free Spirit for Vagabond outfit (Moyra)
6. Rune skin, Geneva hair (AprilYSH),  Battle Kimono for Genesis 2 (Shifting Images)
7. Monique skin, Sage hair (EmmaAndJordi)
8. Grace skin, Oleander hair (goldtassel)
9. Bethany skin, Naughty Mohawk hair (goldtassel)

Giselle, the gown is from the historic gowns collection with a texture from the mappak2 applied.   Next I will do the ones with the big skirt.  Love this set and so incredibly cheap.

https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-s-historic-gowns

https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-s-historic-gowns-mappak-2

Victoria 7's UV mapping is used for many texture set to it is always worth getting the Victorias and Michaels of what ever generation you are using.

Most Genesis 3 Female characters, even those that are "for Victoria 7", use the base UVs as far as I've noticed.

Victoria 7's UV mapping is used for many texture set to it is always worth getting the Victorias and Michaels of what ever generation you are using.

If you are talking about the 7 version bundles, all of the clothing is interchangable.  All of the 7 series females are Genesis 3 Female with morphs and textures applied.  For example if you own G3F body morphs and Victoria 7 you could dial in 50% Victoria 7 and 50% Hourglass if you wanted and all of your clothing will still fit just fine.

As you purchase more of the figures they will add more morphs to your G3F when you load her in DazStudio.
My advice is purchase whichever one has the body and textures that you like best.  You also don't need to purchase a Pro bundle, you could always get two starter bundles for not that much more money.  Also, all of the clothing items in the Pro bundles can be purchased as stand alone products.

Im planning to buy a pro bundle but i cant decide, what experiences have you done so far with them?

I mostly headhack heads onto the bodies, also i like atleast one outfit on them but sadly theyre all exclusive to the character.

Well, don't discount that many customers, especialy new ones, and some old ones too since iRay is relatively new, are purposely not using their creativity because their 1st goal in learning DAZ is to create a photorealistic render. They want to see if they can match those Victoria 7 and Michael renders. That is there goal. Well, at least as photorealistic as some of the examples they have seen.

And that is not an easy task really. I've tried a few times but honestly I haven't gotten close. I'm running a render now that isn't close for my latest try. I mean it looks good and it clearly isn't a toon or caricature but photorealistic? No.

That said, I like the look that is created but I don't know what to 'classify' a render style as when I do a clear render of characters in a very nice architectural model set like the Hapsburg model I am using now from HowieFarks with no postprocessing. It's obvious that all the talent in my renders done like that lie with the model artists and the DAZ Studio and various other programmers at other businesses but I still do them because I like the look.

I guess you could call that style 'modern realistic 3D game style' since it won't be too long before game hardware can handle that and some games are already close (somewhat simplified but most eyes won't catch the simplifications, least of all mine).

Subtitle:
The failed Promise the Genesis Figure Platform. 

Remember Anubis?
I remember the heady days of Genesis 1 as I watched enviously from the sidelines.

This was before I migrated from my Old Mac running DS 2.3 to a  New PC capable of running the latest  Daz studio and genesis.

Once I made the switch from aging Poser figure tech, I fully embraced the Genesis technology as  its innovative "One Figure to rule them all" morphing capability liberated me from the limitations of having to always find and then Buy separate figures if I wanted both racial and Demographic and even Species variety for my preferred genere of Sci-Fi storytelling

If I needed the ubiquitous 20 something Northern European Girl/guy ..Sure easy

But if I Needed the middleaged Arab man or woman or Fat frumpy Dorky 21st century westerner or Exotic Alien From the other side of the galaxy, 

Then genesis was my solution as wellI am so thankful for Artists Like Dariofish(HFS) for his amazing alien morphs Inspired by the Popular video game
"Mass Effect".

But a disturbing pattern has emerged over the course genesis's evolution to version 3.
More and more we are seeing purpose built "Character Bundles" with clothing that Does NOT morph well outside of those specific Character bundle shapes.
This ,in my personal view, have slowy created the mentality that Genesis is just relatively inert "base figure" with not much utility  unless you buy the Amazing bundles.  Much like the original Mike & Victoria 1

I understand the marketplace economic utility of getting people to contsantly buy the new bundled "Characters",
This is a business after all.

However it seems we are seeing less & less  separate General use Morphs and Skin map products that take true advantage of the Strength and the versatility of the genesis technology.

The technolgy that Liberted us as Artists

It seems ,To me at least we have been slowy coaxed back on to "The plantation" mentality of 
"I wish"someone"....not me but "someone" would make a more (Insert character type here)  For Gx
I would $$buy$$ that in an instant".

its a tough spiral to break out of. 

Can't wait to see Victoria 8 this month :D 

According to Wikipedia this is the month where we should have a new release of Victoria, Victoria 8 :D because if ain't broke why change it 

"In June 2013, in sync with the release of the Genesis 2 figures, DAZ released Victoria 6 as a Genesis 2 character.[11]

In June 2015, DAZ released Victoria 7 as a Genesis 3 character and is the latest installment."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(3D_figure)

Is anyone else excited!!!!

For Drew the Necklaces is from https://www.daz3d.com/sassy-girl-shirt-for-genesis-3-female-s & The earrings are from https://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-finley-hd-for-victoria-7-and-her-jewelry