I got on the 9 train, but I think I want to get off at the next stop.
As others have mentioned, there are a few things that seem like a step back from G8/8.1
But one of the biggest turn-offs for me is G9's breasts (female).   They seem to point unnatrually outward (like the reverse of cross-eyed),  I can't seem to improve the shapes to make them look more "normal", even though I have several morph packages for G9.
Anyway, I'm not really here to complain about that, I'm just wondering if anyone else has an issue with this?

The title may not be my best invention, yet it does reflect my initial angle at the matter.

Basically we're actually at: *Breakable furniture*

Initial context:

- Breaking a table in two parts, rather comic.

- Think of the literal face-desk comic part.

- Also think of brute or viking contexts.

- Could have shape morph for non-breaking action.

- May have props for the remaining bits and pieces.

- Think at least of a typical work desk or nerd desk, and perhaps a generic wooden table for the viking/western/whatever context.

Extending on this, looking back at various western saloon content...

- Western saloon equipment including chairs (bottles? pianos? stagecoaches?).

- Boards and bricks and other for martial arts demonstrations (and furniture...).

- Wooden fences could be useful (kicking it in, explosion, drive car through, ...).

- Convenience: script that replaces a morph by individual pieces, to allow continuing with a physics simulation, or just for efficiency.

- (Haven't tested recent physics engine, but an object standard would be interesting, that all physics plugins/scripts could refer to, like adding speed and rotation parameters to objects, setting global friction. That may be more far to walk, though. From there... presets!)

- (...)

Apparently there may be furniture, where you could hide parts, or edit it, so you could manually do some stuff. However a streamlined product would save a lot of time.

Richard Haseltine said:

Why is using a character preset not acceptable? You just load that instead of the Genesis # Base figure, and apply any character preset (or shaping and materials presets) you want to that (the sliders are, as far as I know, organised only when loading the preset to load a new figure - using it to modify an existing figure won't change them). The advantage of this over Mattymanx's method is that it will survive a product update, since the new character preset isn't part of a product (other than Local user).

so from what I understand you are saying I can do this organization save this character preset and say if I buy a new genesis 8 morph it will still show up under my current new character preset? that doesn't sounds to bad and say if I update this character preset I can just override the old one when updating it if I need to organize new morphs. ill give it a shot and see

caraTRON.7263 said:

lorraineopua said:

Have you tried an smoothing modifier? Or if it has one, upping the collision amount? That's usually my first go-to.

It does not appear to have a collision amount, but applying a smoothing modifier (which I did not previously know about) almost fixes it.  There's still a few tiny collisions, but I might now be able to get it to look right from any given angle by tweaking the scaling.

On the subject of said tweaking, I tried just now to adjust the translation of the clothing item, and it doesn't do anything at all, even when I unparent it.  Why is that?

Parenting is an optional feature, the bit that matters is fitting (Fit to in the Parameters pane with the clothing selected). As long as the item is fitted it is locked to the base figure's pose.

 

@Catherine3678ab, what you said may not be necessary, but in the interest of learning, I'll ask about it since I didn't understand most of it.

Catherine3678ab said:

I hope that outfit is actually more than one piece. {I don't own either the character or this clothing set}

The outfit has multiple pieces, but what you're looking at is just one piece, the main one.

Yes, it should be able to be made to fit but it will require a little work, called morphs.

I thought a "morph" was a slider that changes the shape of something, like a Face Transfer slider or "Arms Length," "Nose Size" etc.  What are you actually referring to?

You can create morphs for any kind of shape chnage, including those that will help with fitting. You can often make minor adjustments inside Daz Studio - select the clothing, Create>New dForm, move the Field that is added by tthis until the vertices (points) in the affect area highlight, and then move the dForm itself (parent to the dForm's base) to pull the mesh around.

In Notepad, copy/paste the names of whichever generated morphs are made by D/S into the clothing when the character morph was dialed into the figure.

If you mean something analogous the the sliders I mentioned above for a figure, then I have two questions about this.  One, I don't know how to see that for a clothing item.  And two, if whatever you're talking about can also be used to see what body modifications have been made to a figure when using a preset without having to check each one manually, then I would definitely like to know how to do that.

If you're talking about something else, then again I don't know what you mean.

If the clothing can be loaded one piece at a time, work with one piece at a time - whether you use Hexagon, or dFormers, or other means - make the one item to look correct, target figure AND clothing piece to be at BASE Resolution, no geografts attached.

Apart from the fact that what I showed above isn't multiple pieces, I have no idea how to do what you just said; and if I did, I probably wouldn't have asked the question in the manner that I did.  I said that the only things I knew to do about this were AutoFit and adjusting the scale (and now, what lorraineopua said).  You said "make the item look correct"; and that would be great, but how?

lorraineopua said:

Have you tried an smoothing modifier? Or if it has one, upping the collision amount? That's usually my first go-to.

It does not appear to have a collision amount, but applying a smoothing modifier (which I did not previously know about) almost fixes it.  There's still a few tiny collisions, but I might now be able to get it to look right from any given angle by tweaking the scaling.

On the subject of said tweaking, I tried just now to adjust the translation of the clothing item, and it doesn't do anything at all, even when I unparent it.  Why is that?

@Catherine3678ab, what you said may not be necessary, but in the interest of learning, I'll ask about it since I didn't understand most of it.

Catherine3678ab said:

I hope that outfit is actually more than one piece. {I don't own either the character or this clothing set}

The outfit has multiple pieces, but what you're looking at is just one piece, the main one.

Yes, it should be able to be made to fit but it will require a little work, called morphs.

I thought a "morph" was a slider that changes the shape of something, like a Face Transfer slider or "Arms Length," "Nose Size" etc.  What are you actually referring to?

In Notepad, copy/paste the names of whichever generated morphs are made by D/S into the clothing when the character morph was dialed into the figure.

If you mean something analogous the the sliders I mentioned above for a figure, then I have two questions about this.  One, I don't know how to see that for a clothing item.  And two, if whatever you're talking about can also be used to see what body modifications have been made to a figure when using a preset without having to check each one manually, then I would definitely like to know how to do that.

If you're talking about something else, then again I don't know what you mean.

If the clothing can be loaded one piece at a time, work with one piece at a time - whether you use Hexagon, or dFormers, or other means - make the one item to look correct, target figure AND clothing piece to be at BASE Resolution, no geografts attached.

Apart from the fact that what I showed above isn't multiple pieces, I have no idea how to do what you just said; and if I did, I probably wouldn't have asked the question in the manner that I did.  I said that the only things I knew to do about this were AutoFit and adjusting the scale (and now, what lorraineopua said).  You said "make the item look correct"; and that would be great, but how?

@Padone regarding the pose issue it seems for the pose to be imported without the character being returned to world orgin all I needed to do was set the Object Transformations Affect to NONE.
*Facepalm* 
So that's all good now. So I guess only the scanned database G3F morph issue is my only problem left.

vrba79 said:

I think something was packaged right. The morph does not show up.

 So I looked at it, the orignal file had some files that where not needed for the character, also some duplicate files.

Those have been removed, the character itself should have all the files needed to load however.

Update found the error it was the Genesis 9 was not under the DAZ 3D folder

i'm having a deuce of a time making Fit Control work with fit control for gen 8 since i upgraded to daz 4.21 recently. 
it's similar to how i had problems before: i'd seclect g8.1f, run the script to transfer morphs, transfer completes and then when i click the button to acknowledge action, DAZ shuts dowon. 
issue does not appear to happen with g8f however. 
i redownloaded from DAZ and issue still happends when working with g8f.1 and i'm stumped. 
pic and log file included. 

Rigidity afects morph projection, it has no effect on joint modifiers - though if theer is a JCM (Joint Controlled Morph) kicking in that would be affected by the Rigidity. You should make sure that the joint weights of the strap are the same as the ring, and if need be add a custom morph to the belt to match the JCM that is not being projected into the ring.

Greetings,

I am trying to make a basic animation to import into UE5.1 for an idle animation. The issue I am having is that all of the changes are SHAPE changes, not morph changes. So the FBX export doesn't 'see' those changes and incorporate them into the FBX animation.

My thought is that If I turned these shape changes into a morph, I could export that and use UE5.1's Animation/Sequencer to create the animation right in UE5...

Is there a Tutorial someplace that explains how to do that? I am not looking at changing anything else within the model, just these basic shapes (Revolves around breathing, so Chest depth, ribcage size and etcetera.)

Any help on this would be great.

Thanks,

V

@camilo OK so found this a while back and forgot about it, it's basically a reduced version of the standard diffeo setup. Still playing around with it but got a bit of sheen on an OOT hair.. Probably should do some more tweaking like deleting a few random stands and probably adjusting the transparency max bounces and some of nodes values a bit but it does the trick a lil I suppose. Should work wonders on non OOT hairs or hairs that are brighter coloured. 

@Padone Thank you, was contemplating making a bitbuct acc to make reports. My only other bug is I can't scan the morph database for the genesis 3 female morphs. I can scan for the others just fine but when I scan for G3F it starts and then at some point it just gets stopped I suppose it might be some morph or something but I'm no expert. Sorry I know this isn't the thread for this just thought I might point this one out as well while I was at it. 

Cantraps said:

RiverSoftArt said:

Cantraps said:

I'm getting an error when I try and load Turbo Loader Manager for G8 female and create the morph list for the first time (1.2):

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: Script Error: Line 124

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded.

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: Stack Trace: <anonymous>()@F:/My Library/data/RiverSoft Art/Common/RS2022HelperFunctions.dse:124

Daz just closes during the inspection.

Seems to work fine for my male morphs, but maybe I have too many female morphs for the programme to manage?

That line of code has to do with getting the files in your morphs directory.  There is a known bug where if there are symbolic links that point back into the same directory structure, you will get an infinite loop that would eventually does this.  Look for some symbolic links and delete them.

That got it, thanks. 

Awesome!  I am glad it worked for you.

I do have a fix in the pipeline but it is not there yet.

RiverSoftArt said:

Cantraps said:

I'm getting an error when I try and load Turbo Loader Manager for G8 female and create the morph list for the first time (1.2):

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: Script Error: Line 124

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded.

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: Stack Trace: <anonymous>()@F:/My Library/data/RiverSoft Art/Common/RS2022HelperFunctions.dse:124

Daz just closes during the inspection.

Seems to work fine for my male morphs, but maybe I have too many female morphs for the programme to manage?

That line of code has to do with getting the files in your morphs directory.  There is a known bug where if there are symbolic links that point back into the same directory structure, you will get an infinite loop that would eventually does this.  Look for some symbolic links and delete them.

That got it, thanks. 

Cantraps said:

I'm getting an error when I try and load Turbo Loader Manager for G8 female and create the morph list for the first time (1.2):

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: Script Error: Line 124

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded.

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: Stack Trace: <anonymous>()@F:/My Library/data/RiverSoft Art/Common/RS2022HelperFunctions.dse:124

Daz just closes during the inspection.

Seems to work fine for my male morphs, but maybe I have too many female morphs for the programme to manage?

That line of code has to do with getting the files in your morphs directory.  There is a known bug where if there are symbolic links that point back into the same directory structure, you will get an infinite loop that would eventually does this.  Look for some symbolic links and delete them.

I cannot get Cary Grant right for my life but I sculpted Sophia Loren's head in 1.5 day with Zbrushcore! Go figure... Here is the intense beauty of the queen of Italian cinema:

Assets used in promo images:

dForce Iris Dress and Outfit for G8.1F

SP Hair 017 for G3,8F

Victoria 9 makeup

Bold Look Makeup LIE for G9

BOSS Pro Light Set

Non-commercial use only please!

I am looking forward to seeing your renders of La Divina in this thread (as usual). 

For starters here is my render of La Divina (made before the final corrections to the sculpt and featuring perlk's Elizabeth necklace! ):

Have fun!

AOBB

I'm getting an error when I try and load Turbo Loader Manager for G8 female and create the morph list for the first time (1.2):

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: Script Error: Line 124

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded.

2022-12-04 09:24:59.702 [WARNING] :: Stack Trace: <anonymous>()@F:/My Library/data/RiverSoft Art/Common/RS2022HelperFunctions.dse:124

Daz just closes during the inspection.

Seems to work fine for my male morphs, but maybe I have too many female morphs for the programme to manage?

Mattymanx said:

dustinmeyer1234 said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Those aren't file directories, they are proeprty groups. What you need to do is save a Character preset after making your chnages and in future use that to load the figure.

thats kind of depressiong so there really isnt a way to orgnize these kind of morphs

You can do it but its a bit more involved then just saving a preset.  It would require you to resave the products AFTER you organize the dials.  Then you can repack the product with the new files so that your organization of the dials is kept if you have to reinstall.

The easiest way to do that would be yo create a seperate library with JUST the base figure you need and then one at a time, install the 3rd party morph to that same library, find the dials and move them.  Then save the morphs, making sure you fill in the correct vender name and product name.

 

Which ever base figure you are doing this for, I would recommend you redownload the essentials package but then remove all the extras that coem with it so that you can focus on just the morphs.

well thats still a bummer thanks for the information its not worth all the effort to for orgnization just would have been nice if it was a bit easier anyways thank for everyone input 

It is still broken. The Belladonna Alice and Her Outfit body morph is literally clashing with the base GENESIS 8 Female morph.  So the solution is to literally uninstall and not use a product I paid for because this still is NOT fixed after more than a year. This is just a small snippet of the log file. Every single part of her body is a duplicate formula. Every single bone. Every single finger. Etc.

Duplicate formula found linking zOrigin & BD Alice Body in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/Belladona/Alice/BD Alice Body.dsf.

 owner: Genesis8Female

 output: rPectoral:/data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#rPectoral?center_point/z

 input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Belladona/Alice/BD%20Alice%20Body.dsf#Alice%20Body?value

 Duplicate formula found linking xEnd & BD Alice Body in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/Belladona/Alice/BD Alice Body.dsf.

 owner: Genesis8Female

 output: rPectoral:/data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#rPectoral?end_point/x

 input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Belladona/Alice/BD%20Alice%20Body.dsf#Alice%20Body?value

 Duplicate formula found linking yEnd & BD Alice Body in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/Belladona/Alice/BD Alice Body.dsf.

 owner: Genesis8Female

 output: rPectoral:/data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#rPectoral?end_point/y

 input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Belladona/Alice/BD%20Alice%20Body.dsf#Alice%20Body?value

 Duplicate formula found linking zEnd & BD Alice Body in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/Belladona/Alice/BD Alice Body.dsf.

: owner: Genesis8Female

 output: rPectoral:/data/Daz%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#rPectoral?end_point/z

 input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Belladona/Alice/BD%20Alice%20Body.dsf#Alice%20Body?value

caraTRON.7263 said:

Hi, I'm still pretty new.  So I know about AutoFit for when a clothing item was designed for a different figure than the one you're using (Genesis 2, 3 etc), and I know how to get the AutoFit pane to appear in that scenario when it doesn't come up automatically.  But what about when the outfit was designed for the correct base figure, but it still doesn't fit right after modifying the figure?  Manually calling the AutoFit dialog doesn't seem to do anything in this situation, presumably because the intended base figure isn't changing.  Is there anything that can be done about this?

Specifically, I'm trying to use this outfit with the RawArt She Orc figure.  Both were designed for G8F, but the outfit has a lot of spots where it goes inside the body.  The figure I actually want to use has some further modifications to it which casue a few more holes to open up and also makes the lower legs not fit, but a lot of the problems, mainly on the upper legs, are present if I simply load the SheOrc character and apply the outfit to it.

Scaling the outfit up doesn't help.  By the time I've increased the scale enough to get the holes on the upper legs to disappear, a noticable gap has been created around the chest, and for the futherly modified figure increasing the scale makes the lower legs even worse.

I've attached two images so you can see what I'm talking about; one with the outfit loaded onto the SheOrc figure without further modifications, and one with the outfit scaled up a bit so you can get an idea of what it's supposed to look like.

Can I do something about this, or do some outfits just not work if you modify the body too much?  Thanks.

 I hope that outfit is actually more than one piece. {I don't own either the character or this clothing set}

Yes, it should be able to be made to fit but it will require a little work, called morphs. In Notepad, copy/paste the names of whichever generated morphs are made by D/S into the clothing when the character morph was dialed into the figure.

If the clothing can be loaded one piece at a time, work with one piece at a time - whether you use Hexagon, or dFormers, or other means - make the one item to look correct, target figure AND clothing piece to be at BASE Resolution, no geografts attached.

Export out the clothing piece that fits as .obj. Then in D/S remove it from the scene and load in a fresh one. Select that clothing piece.

Using Morph loader pro, bring back in that morphed .obj and make the morph in the clothing -- call it the same as the generated morph was called. If it looks okay, zero the morph and save it REVERSING deformations {so we don't save the character shape in it}. Once it is saved, then remove it from the scene and load in a fresh one. It will now [hopefully] look like it is supposed to.

{To get beyond the generated morphs which D/S will keep creating - Parameters Tab in Edit mode - rename the generated morphs to something you will recognize as what not to save. I use the term "delete this" on both the name and the label. D/S will not make 2 morphs with the same name on the same item.}

dustinmeyer1234 said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Those aren't file directories, they are proeprty groups. What you need to do is save a Character preset after making your chnages and in future use that to load the figure.

thats kind of depressiong so there really isnt a way to orgnize these kind of morphs

You can do it but its a bit more involved then just saving a preset.  It would require you to resave the products AFTER you organize the dials.  Then you can repack the product with the new files so that your organization of the dials is kept if you have to reinstall.

The easiest way to do that would be yo create a seperate library with JUST the base figure you need and then one at a time, install the 3rd party morph to that same library, find the dials and move them.  Then save the morphs, making sure you fill in the correct vender name and product name.

Which ever base figure you are doing this for, I would recommend you redownload the essentials package but then remove all the extras that coem with it so that you can focus on just the morphs.