To fix any ill-behaving (non-zero default value) morphs, do as follows;

1. Open DS and load "Genesis 8.1 Basic Female" (to an empty scene)
2. Right Click at Parameters Tab->Preferences->Choose "Show Hidden Properties" (part 3 zeroes only 'visible' dials)
3. Right Click at Parameters Tab->Zero->Zero Figure (Zeroes the value of all the 'visible' dials)
4. Right Click at Parameters Tab->Memorize->Memorize Figure (Sets the current value of all the dials as their default value)
5. Edit->Save As->Support Asset->Save Modified Assets (Writes the changed default value to the morph files that were changed)

When saving "Modified Assets" DS shows a dialog and asks for confirmation;
"The following file(s) will be permanently modified:" - "Accept/Cancel" - Choose "Accept"

duckbomb said:

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but the lack of geometry is not simply made up by geografts and normal/displacement maps in all cases.  Yes, in many of the rendering scenarios brought up the end result would be indistinguishable from a model with simply higher res, but the beauty of DS is that it's just one tool that people have the freedom to use however they like or need.  I'm not going to kid myself or anybody here, I know that the way I use it is different from what would be considered the 90%, but to me it's the way that I need to use the tool to get the end product I want.  In the end, I ultimately export a SubD4 OBJ and sculpt on top of that even, so having to include geografts or normals to get the detail back that I was able to add before with a morph is piling effort on top of work.

I'm just exhausted by reading comments from people who claim to speak on behalf of every use case out there, especially people who also say that they have access to HD morphs and hardly use them.  I've had multiple conversations here over the years about it, and multiple PAs educate me and post examples of HD vs Normals, and I respect their opinions just the same as I understand why it is the way it is.  All I'm asking is acknowledgmenet that for some, the lack of denser geometry is a really big setback.  In the end, it just comes down to the relationship between effort, time, and quality.

There's ways to make it work, but it's just more work and for some of us a step in the wrong direction. 

 

Edit:  After reading my post I'm going to edit to reinforce the point that I'm not making any slight against any PA.  I know Oso was in here talking about this, specifically, and I honestly respect his opinion and I've followed closely what he was doing with NPR, so to be direct about it this is not an attack on his opinion or the way he presented it.  I think the frustrating part is that I may be part of a uinique crowd that this decision wasn't made for.  You can't make everyone happy, and honestly the way that I work with DS means I spend very little at this store, so from that perspective DAZ made the right call.  It just doesn't make it less frustrating lol.

I don't think the issue is really mesh density so much as it is the lack of mesh density in certain areas, like the nipples and navel, since Genesis 9 has double the mesh density of G8, according to DAZ themselves. Sure, I'm sure you're not alone in wanting a much denser base mesh, but DAZ has to balance what they want with what a new user may have available as far as hardware goes, and going too dense will make renders take significantly longer than most folks want to spend waiting for an image to complete.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but the lack of geometry is not simply made up by geografts and normal/displacement maps in all cases.  Yes, in many of the rendering scenarios brought up the end result would be indistinguishable from a model with simply higher res, but the beauty of DS is that it's just one tool that people have the freedom to use however they like or need.  I'm not going to kid myself or anybody here, I know that the way I use it is different from what would be considered the 90%, but to me it's the way that I need to use the tool to get the end product I want.  In the end, I ultimately export a SubD4 OBJ and sculpt on top of that even, so having to include geografts or normals to get the detail back that I was able to add before with a morph is piling effort on top of work.

I'm just exhausted by reading comments from people who claim to speak on behalf of every use case out there, especially people who also say that they have access to HD morphs and hardly use them.  I've had multiple conversations here over the years about it, and multiple PAs educate me and post examples of HD vs Normals, and I respect their opinions just the same as I understand why it is the way it is.  All I'm asking is acknowledgmenet that for some, the lack of denser geometry is a really big setback.  In the end, it just comes down to the relationship between effort, time, and quality.

There's ways to make it work, but it's just more work and for some of us a step in the wrong direction. 

Edit:  After reading my post I'm going to edit to reinforce the point that I'm not making any slight against any PA.  I know Oso was in here talking about this, specifically, and I honestly respect his opinion and I've followed closely what he was doing with NPR, so to be direct about it this is not an attack on his opinion or the way he presented it.  I think the frustrating part is that I may be part of a uinique crowd that this decision wasn't made for.  You can't make everyone happy, and honestly the way that I work with DS means I spend very little at this store, so from that perspective DAZ made the right call.  It just doesn't make it less frustrating lol.

PerttiA said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

PerttiA said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

a lot of the stuff doesn't come with smoothing modifiers and only has base resolution... the couple of items that do have both hd resolution and smoothing modifiers seem to have no idea that there's a nipple to conform to regardless of any settings i try.

Also i've noticed that there are breast morphs that don't conform either such as 'breasts fullness lower'

in fact its easy to see in real time which items are compatable with whichever morph and with all of the purchases i've made so far non are compatable with Hd nipple morphs.

One can add the smoothing modifier oneself, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add smoothing (or something similar) just like one can add SubD, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add Subdivision (or something similar)

i do know about that but i'd be very surprised if items that don't have modifiers will suddenly work when the ones that do have modifiers don't even work!

At at the moment i've spent the past 13 hrs on the problem and i'm spent... i'd put that time aside to learn the new dforce assistant and the camera magic programs but just thought i'd check the clothing items first just in case there were problems.

Anyway thanks for the suggestions but i think they need returning.

Have you looked at hidden morphs in the clothing?

When clothing is fitted to a figure, all the active morphs of the figure are transferred to the clothing (set hidden). One can use these hidden morphs to further adjust how the clothing fits, and if one needs more morphs, dial a morph on the figure to some small value and that morph is transferred to the clothing as well. 

(removed dupe post)

I've tried it on one of the offending items and the hidden morphs are there and like you say they correspond to the body morphs i dialed in but unfortunately they don't work.

maikdecker said:

PerttiA said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

a lot of the stuff doesn't come with smoothing modifiers and only has base resolution... the couple of items that do have both hd resolution and smoothing modifiers seem to have no idea that there's a nipple to conform to regardless of any settings i try.

Also i've noticed that there are breast morphs that don't conform either such as 'breasts fullness lower'

in fact its easy to see in real time which items are compatable with whichever morph and with all of the purchases i've made so far non are compatable with Hd nipple morphs.

One can add the smoothing modifier oneself, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add smoothing (or something similar) just like one can add SubD, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add Subdivision (or something similar)

did they change something how this setting up for the smoothing works? AFAIK you can only set ONE target for the smoothing modifier for the piece of clothing. So the line would go Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add  smoothing modifier followed by assigning a Collision Target and here one would have to decide between Genesis figure OR the nipples or anything else that's poking through, meaning to make the nipples shine, other parts of the Genesis figure would no longer benefit from the smoothing...

No change, one can have only one collision target = Doesn't work that well, if at all when one has geografts.

PerttiA said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

a lot of the stuff doesn't come with smoothing modifiers and only has base resolution... the couple of items that do have both hd resolution and smoothing modifiers seem to have no idea that there's a nipple to conform to regardless of any settings i try.

Also i've noticed that there are breast morphs that don't conform either such as 'breasts fullness lower'

in fact its easy to see in real time which items are compatable with whichever morph and with all of the purchases i've made so far non are compatable with Hd nipple morphs.

One can add the smoothing modifier oneself, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add smoothing (or something similar) just like one can add SubD, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add Subdivision (or something similar)

did they change something how this setting up for the smoothing works? AFAIK you can only set ONE target for the smoothing modifier for the piece of clothing. So the line would go Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add  smoothing modifier followed by assigning a Collision Target and here one would have to decide between Genesis figure OR the nipples or anything else that's poking through, meaning to make the nipples shine, other parts of the Genesis figure would no longer benefit from the smoothing...

SolitarySandpiper said:

PerttiA said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

a lot of the stuff doesn't come with smoothing modifiers and only has base resolution... the couple of items that do have both hd resolution and smoothing modifiers seem to have no idea that there's a nipple to conform to regardless of any settings i try.

Also i've noticed that there are breast morphs that don't conform either such as 'breasts fullness lower'

in fact its easy to see in real time which items are compatable with whichever morph and with all of the purchases i've made so far non are compatable with Hd nipple morphs.

One can add the smoothing modifier oneself, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add smoothing (or something similar) just like one can add SubD, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add Subdivision (or something similar)

i do know about that but i'd be very surprised if items that don't have modifiers will suddenly work when the ones that do have modifiers don't even work!

At at the moment i've spent the past 13 hrs on the problem and i'm spent... i'd put that time aside to learn the new dforce assistant and the camera magic programs but just thought i'd check the clothing items first just in case there were problems.

Anyway thanks for the suggestions but i think they need returning.

Have you looked at hidden morphs in the clothing?

When clothing is fitted to a figure, all the active morphs of the figure are transferred to the clothing (set hidden). One can use these hidden morphs to further adjust how the clothing fits, and if one needs more morphs, dial a morph on the figure to some small value and that morph is transferred to the clothing as well. 

(removed dupe post)

PerttiA said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

a lot of the stuff doesn't come with smoothing modifiers and only has base resolution... the couple of items that do have both hd resolution and smoothing modifiers seem to have no idea that there's a nipple to conform to regardless of any settings i try.

Also i've noticed that there are breast morphs that don't conform either such as 'breasts fullness lower'

in fact its easy to see in real time which items are compatable with whichever morph and with all of the purchases i've made so far non are compatable with Hd nipple morphs.

One can add the smoothing modifier oneself, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add smoothing (or something similar) just like one can add SubD, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add Subdivision (or something similar)

i do know about that but i'd be very surprised if items that don't have modifiers will suddenly work when the ones that do have modifiers don't even work!

At at the moment i've spent the past 13 hrs on the problem and i'm spent... i'd put that time aside to learn the new dforce assistant and the camera magic programs but just thought i'd check the clothing items first just in case there were problems.

Anyway thanks for the suggestions but i think they need returning.

SolitarySandpiper said:

a lot of the stuff doesn't come with smoothing modifiers and only has base resolution... the couple of items that do have both hd resolution and smoothing modifiers seem to have no idea that there's a nipple to conform to regardless of any settings i try.

Also i've noticed that there are breast morphs that don't conform either such as 'breasts fullness lower'

in fact its easy to see in real time which items are compatable with whichever morph and with all of the purchases i've made so far non are compatable with Hd nipple morphs.

One can add the smoothing modifier oneself, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add smoothing (or something similar) just like one can add SubD, Edit->Figure->Geometry->Add Subdivision (or something similar)

Daywalker Designs said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

PerttiA said:

marble said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

On G8 it does 

it does really well on G8 but i'm wondering about G9... i'm doing some testing and of the 5 items i've bought non will conform to a hd nipple... but the free bra that comes with the starter essentials does.

Check the smoothing parameters on thses clothing items; you should be able to get them to conform.

a lot of the stuff doesn't come with smoothing modifiers and only has base resolution... the couple of items that do have both hd resolution and smoothing modifiers seem to have no idea that there's a nipple to conform to regardless of any settings i try.

Also i've noticed that there are breast morphs that don't conform either such as 'breasts fullness lower'

in fact its easy to see in real time which items are compatable with whichever morph and with all of the purchases i've made so far non are compatable with Hd nipple morphs.

Just a friendly reminder,

Dimension3D's Genesis Generation X2 is one amazing friend to have!

I'm still using some of the amazing morphs I've bought for Victoria 4, now on my Genesis 3 figures, and they come across to the target figure so perfectly... I just love it!

I had originally bought it to add Genesis 2 and 3 shapes to Genesis, along with my V4 morphs, and that is crazy-awesome as well! It's such a powerful thing, and it works on the fly - any time we want a new morph dial!

Since Dimension3D has entered the next part of the journey away from this plane, I happened upon Riversoft Art's Character Convertors to and from Genesis 8 and so forth and, while they work quite differently, those things Rock too! So with a bit of patience and forethought, we can run our shapes from Generation 3 (Aiko 3, etc.,) through Genesis 8 (Genesis 9 coming too, I'm sure) and back again - which is really cool!

EDIT: ...and I want to try the Discobob/Zev0's XTransfer character convertors too. I really like having tools that help me to make the most out of my entire product library of character products. I liked them when I bought them, and they look really cool with these more modern figures with their Iray surfaces and so on. Really having a lot of fun here!

The version of Rosie in the two images I posted earlier uses V4, S4. Genesis, G2F and G8F shapes on a Genesis 3 Female version of the amazing Sol for G8F/G3F

Ryuu@AMcCF said:

However, when I went to test it in Object mode @ 1.0 value, the morphs were all well short of their target values. Furthermore, just simply increasing the value of the morphs aren't achieving the desireed result as the target zones are severely distorted when going >1.0.

The only reason I can think of for this kind of behavior is if you have concurrent morphs, but it means you're using multiple morphs together. If you dial-in a single morph there's no way that it can be different from what you edited, apart scaling the object that will maintain the proportions. If you dial-in multiple morphs then it will be the sum of them for the vertices they have in common. Unless you defined vertex groups with different weights.

Anyway it is really hard in my opinion to catch the issue if you can't provide a test scene.

SolitarySandpiper said:

PerttiA said:

marble said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

On G8 it does 

it does really well on G8 but i'm wondering about G9... i'm doing some testing and of the 5 items i've bought non will conform to a hd nipple... but the free bra that comes with the starter essentials does.

Check the smoothing parameters on thses clothing items; you should be able to get them to conform.

marble said:

PerttiA said:

marble said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

On G8 it does 

Yeah, I had to remind myself that I use the Meipe Headlights product for realism so that's probably why I need to make the morph in the clothing.  

'Joys' of having to use geografts... 

PerttiA said:

marble said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

On G8 it does 

it does really well on G8 but i'm wondering about G9... i'm doing some testing and of the 5 items i've bought non will conform to a hd nipple... but the free bra that comes with the starter essentials does.

PerttiA said:

marble said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

On G8 it does 

Yeah, I had to remind myself that I use the Meipe Headlights product for realism so that's probably why I need to make the morph in the clothing.  

marble said:

SolitarySandpiper said:

Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

On G8 it does 

Oso3D said:

Also depends on the ethnic mix where you are.

Now that it's finally out, I wanted to show my corgi mouth... no HD. The entire corgi? No HD. (Toward the 'you have to have HD to do anything')

Here's a basic morph for the mouth:

 

People mistake the fine details you can get from HD for things you absolutely need to have. That's why I'm annoyed by the mandatory inclusion of the character-specific HD in the downloads for the DAZ Originals.

SolitarySandpiper said:

Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?