BubbleCloud said:

I'm so lost, I wish someone could help me out. 
i have made G9 clone for G8, OK. 
I also have the G8 clone for G9, OK. 
What I want is to have a mesh with the G9 body and the head of G8F. 
This is how I can tranfer the heads (only the heads) of my G8 girls to G9. 
(Is that right or I'm getting crazy?????????) 
I can't figure out how to make a G9 body with G8 head, my brain has stopped working. 
Can anyone help me? 

1. The purpose of making auto-fit clones is not for making morphs, they are for getting clothing to fit.

2. Along a similar track, you would need to make the 'clothing' of the G9 body [base resolution etc] for G8. Then with G8 dialed to the default G9 pose, plus the desired head shape [G9 clothing is still "fit to" G8]; HIDE all except the "clothing" of G9. Export that out as .obj [remember still at base resolution and no groups]. Then have G9 showing and selected, using Morph Loader Pro import in the G9 "clothing" as a morph, name the head morph sensibly and uniquely, "reverse deformations"  and etc. Hopefully this works. If it does, dial the morph to 0 and save it as a morph asset. I don't recall the exact wording but when making this morph, be sure to select the option for a morph shape type.

Elsewhere in the forums I do have a tutorial that covers in more detail how to transfer morphs between the figures. My .pdf tutorials tend to cover all the steps as I work through the projects while making the tutorials.

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Thank you both VERY MUCH. I tried your method crosswind to no avail. But Thank you for the info you provided. Richard I did not need to do your method simply because I took your info and along with Corsswind I understood more and so I simply imported the obj file as an object and dialed the x-scale -100.00 then I saved it as a new obj and THEN I imported it as a morph and that fixed everything. Didn't even need to worry about the ERCfreeze. As soon as you started explaining that it was an axis issue I immediately figured I knew what the issue could be. You guys are awesome and a well of knowledge. Again Thank you.

RiverSoftArt said:

Eboshijaana said:

Yess, I'm eager to use this ^^

Thank you!  I hope you will like it.  It was the most difficult script we have done for Daz Studio. 

I assume eyes and teeth are a no-go for transfer.

It's going to be an axis issue - either the OBJ for making the morph was exported with the axis along which it shrinks inverted and it is being imported with that axis normal or vice versa. It shrinks because the morph moves the vertices along a straight  line from start point to end point, and it bends weirdly because the joints no longer line up with the geometry. Redo the morph import and check the setting fro inverting the axis along which it shrinks - if the invert option is checked, clear it; if it is clear, check it.

Simply try: with the morph 100% dialed, export to obj again then import by Morph Loader Pro with : Reverse Deformations: Yes, Overwrite Existing: Delta Only, see if it's ok when sliding the dial..
As for 'into string when posing the figure', switch to Joint Editor and do Adjust Rigging to Shape, then ERC Freeze...

So a couple of years ago I had worked on a sculpt/morph and unfortunately, I had a pc problem and had to reinstall Windows. I did however save the obj file for the sculpt so I could apply it through morph loader pro. My problem is that when it loads, successfully I may add or so it tells me, there's a problem. I go in and crank the dial and my model does take the shape of the morph but as I am dialing it in it gets very narrow but as I get closer to the 100 percent mark it stretches back out to normal. And as it stands it looks good until I try to pose it the arms, legs, and hands turn into string. The little bit of info I could find online is telling me that my morph has turned my Genesis 8 model inside out. Is there no way to turn it right side out again but still keep my morph. Some said somewhere that the normals had been flipped. I do not know if that's true but when I try to flip them back in the geometry editor and save as a new obj file to use as a morph file it's still turning my genesis model inside out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Victoria 4 is a Poser figure, just install it along with any ExP Morph packs such as Shapes++, and then run the updater (/Runtime/Libraries/!Daz/DzCreateExPFiles-v4 if you don't hav the desktop shotcut).

Here's my Jimmy v2. Also with updated suit (coming very soon, with tons of thanks to @ioonrxoon ).

I love him quite a lot. I also figured out his hair, @AOBB ... I had to add a morph to the mesh. It's a bit puffy but I'm sort of done with it :-)

For someone that isn't familiar with the code inside the morph files, there's two choices to 'fix' the duplicate formulas; 1. Check if there is updated versions of the products listed on the DS log, 2. Uninstall the products listed on the DS log.

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Havos said:

takezo_3001 said:

Did you use G8.1 instead of G8 as the recieving character by chance? I ask because G8.1 figure is not symmetrical like G8, as the left/right half of the character does not match, unlike with G8... A nightmare if you want to create limb morphs, so using DS's mirror morph import feature is useless!

Is this true? Everything I have read, and my own observations too, is that G8 and G8.1 is exactly the same mesh. Only the rigging has some difference, in particular the face. If they were not the same mesh, G8 morphs would not work on G8.1 (and they do), nor could you use G8 geografts on 8.1 (and you can).

G8.1 is indeed the same mesh as G8. G8.1 has slightly different material zones (torso was split into head and body), extra UVs and different expression system, but that's all. The base is still symmetrical.

Victoria 8.1 morph is asymmetrical though.

I have an old V4 figure complete with V4 morphs I want to be able to use in Poser 12. I did it with the help of a friend once years ago but can't seem to get the cr2 file properly converted. I'd also like to have the morph functions still adjustable once I bring it into P12. Am I in need of an old utility program? Any help appreciated. 

crosswind said:

deji2109 said:

crosswind said:

You used the latest version converter script?

I used the 2020 option in this one https://www.daz3d.com/character-converter-from-genesis-3-female-to-genesis-8-female

If you're about to convert G3F to G8F, strongly recommend  G3F to G8F Morph Converter 1.1 made by darkhound1 (offsite commercial link removed). Single mesh conversion, clean, accurate and fast... No offense to RSA's script but the method he made was a bit fussy and some steps are not really necessary. I believe for most of the users incl. me, we only need a purely clean single mesh and use Head Splitter on G8  to separte head / body morphs, even in most cases, we just need an accurate head morph...

Thanks. I'll check this out.

takezo_3001 said:

Havos said:

Is this true? Everything I have read, and my own observations too, is that G8 and G8.1 is exactly the same mesh. Only the rigging has some difference, in particular the face. If they were not the same mesh, G8 morphs would not work on G8.1 (and they do), nor could you use G8 geografts on 8.1 (and you can).

That makes sense, but that doesn't explain the mirrored morph issue, I'll double-check to make sure, when I first made my leg morphs with G8 I did not recall this issue, but I did notice the issue with G8.1, as it morphed the entire right side when the morph was dialled... 

deji2109 said:

I used G8. I finally figured it out. It was a particular morph that I used on all my characters that was causing it. The slider in question turned out to be Lilith 7 Body HD details. When I turned the slider down to zero, the anomalies went away.

Cool, glad you figured it out, yeah I have both Gen-x and Riversoft's plugins and HD morphs are nobody's friend when it comes to transferring morphs.

Thanks. Yeah I turned off every single slider one by one and eventually saw that one. I guess I didn't really know what I was doing because I have the Riversoft Converter and the Xtransfer morph converter. HD morphs are a pain.

deji2109 said:

crosswind said:

You used the latest version converter script?

I used the 2020 option in this one https://www.daz3d.com/character-converter-from-genesis-3-female-to-genesis-8-female

If you're about to convert G3F to G8F, strongly recommend  G3F to G8F Morph Converter 1.1 made by darkhound1 (offsite commercial link removed). Single mesh conversion, clean, accurate and fast... No offense to RSA's script but the method he made was a bit fussy and some steps are not really necessary. I believe for most of the users incl. me, we only need a purely clean single mesh and use Head Splitter on G8  to separte head / body morphs, even in most cases, we just need an accurate head morph...

Havos said:

Is this true? Everything I have read, and my own observations too, is that G8 and G8.1 is exactly the same mesh. Only the rigging has some difference, in particular the face. If they were not the same mesh, G8 morphs would not work on G8.1 (and they do), nor could you use G8 geografts on 8.1 (and you can).

That makes sense, but that doesn't explain the mirrored morph issue, I'll double-check to make sure, when I first made my leg morphs with G8 I did not recall this issue, but I did notice the issue with G8.1, as it morphed the entire right side when the morph was dialled... 

deji2109 said:

I used G8. I finally figured it out. It was a particular morph that I used on all my characters that was causing it. The slider in question turned out to be Lilith 7 Body HD details. When I turned the slider down to zero, the anomalies went away.

Cool, glad you figured it out, yeah I have both Gen-x and Riversoft's plugins and HD morphs are nobody's friend when it comes to transferring morphs.

takezo_3001 said:

Did you use G8.1 instead of G8 as the recieving character by chance? I ask because G8.1 figure is not symmetrical like G8, as the left/right half of the character does not match, unlike with G8... A nightmare if you want to create limb morphs, so using DS's mirror morph import feature is useless!

I used G8. I finally figured it out. It was a particular morph that I used on all my characters that was causing it. The slider in question turned out to be Lilith 7 Body HD details. When I turned the slider down to zero, the anomalies went away.

takezo_3001 said:

Did you use G8.1 instead of G8 as the recieving character by chance? I ask because G8.1 figure is not symmetrical like G8, as the left/right half of the character does not match, unlike with G8... A nightmare if you want to create limb morphs, so using DS's mirror morph import feature is useless!

Is this true? Everything I have read, and my own observations too, is that G8 and G8.1 is exactly the same mesh. Only the rigging has some difference, in particular the face. If they were not the same mesh, G8 morphs would not work on G8.1 (and they do), nor could you use G8 geografts on 8.1 (and you can).

FSMCDesigns said:

Seriously? i could never figure out that product worked. Any pose you create for G8 you can save and then use the free converter to convert to G9

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Ever watch a movie or read a book and find a plot hole that is blatantly unbelievable? Like how Dom's kid (Fast and Furious) born in 2013  defied aging and in the 8th installment  (2017) the movie depicted him at age one? It is a distraction. A plot hole disengages you at some point. This disengagement is due to unbelievability, and that hey, wait a minut, moment. This can occur in animations or still photo realistic images that depict scenes and poses. The pose in the product you linked to at Rendo, would be a face toppler, near impossible to keep your balance. How can she stand on her toe leaning forward while reaching back. The scene needs a wall to hold the model up,else the pose is unbelievable and unrealistic and frankly has an amateur vibe to it. Ever see a comic scene where a DUI check sends an abbreviated soul face-planting the pavement? That's about the only place unbalanced poses work well. The pose architect, is designed to create very cool but believable poses that are well balanced. Even contortionists in unbelivable poses, can look believable when the body is balanced with the hand as flat as possible or whatever is needed to create that COG (Center of Gravity). These are the things, the Pose Architect brings to the table . . . retaining balance while bending/moving body parts. If one doesn't understand the COG and it falls outside of the BOS (Base of Support) the pose is considered unstable and thus unbelievable. When we stand the BOS is in our feet but differs dramatically if we hold our feet close together or stand on one foot. Everytime we move our COG changes. Carrying obects and lifting boxes/babies reaching, stretching etc changes the COG. The weight of a person also affects COG. So does pain. My hubby has had two back surgeries (spinal fusions) and suffers from chronic pain. His COG is no longer behind his navel and is more to the back of his spine and because of that he is considered a high risk for falling. So for disabled, chronic back pain models these poses would not be believable but  for all other normal average models, this product is spot on. . A perfect remedy for instability. Body poportions can vary and affect the center of gravity, which is why I own all of the architect poses and have G9 ( a shorter model than G8) in my cart. I don't need to worry about calculating COG and BOS because 3D-Universe created Pose Architect.