Hello,

I'm speaking about the BW Classy Vision Eyewear Set for Genesis 9 by @Beautyworks.

When I tried 'BW CVES Glasses 02', I wanted to use the various adjustment morphs it is supposed to have to get a better fit on a character, but regardless of which morphs I was using, I saw no change at all on the glasses.

After checking that I was wearing my own glasses, I opened the Geometry tools, switched it to Vertex mode, then put the Parameters tab in Edit Mode to 'Select Morph Vertices' and, well, a whole lot of nothing happened.

I did re-check my glasses, and downloaded the package from Daz3D.com to get a look at the content of the .dsf files of these elusive morphs and while they are not empty, compared to the morphs from all the other glasses of that product, none of the adjustment morphs from Glasses 02 include data about delta. They are also all weighting around 1 kb.

Can someone who has the product check that I'm not particularly unlucky and see if they have the same problem with their version of this product?

 

Regarding the auto-generated morph, I saved it because I planed on fixing it if necessary with Blender (in end, nothing was needed: it is surprisingly good for an auto-generated morph for skirt), and since I didn't save the modified skirt (I don't know if something could go wrong or not so I erred on the side of caution), I used it to create a permament morph for Kelly's body which is now working fine with it existing, preventing Daz Studio to try to generate one that will be bugged.

Then, I opened a ticket, with a video of the whole process, from showing the problematic auto-generated morph to using Transfert Utility, then clearing the generated morph to allow auto-follow to generate a proper one.

Hopefully someone at Daz will have a better idea of what caused the problem (at worse, they can always ask the PA to do the rigging of skirt again).

If that video can be useful to someone else, I can attach them to a message.

Thank you for your help :)

Elor said:

It worked an hour ago, but now that I want to record a video to show the problem, using the Transfert Utility doesn't solve the problem anymore  (at least, I have saved the auto-generated morph before trying to do the whole process again…).

Edit: I forgot about the Clear Generated Moprh tool.

Exactly ~ or you can use Purge Memory script from Default Resources product to clear the generated morphs stacked in RAM before loading the garment.

Besides, since it's an issue of rigging, you don't have to save auto-generated morph. As long as the rigging data is correct, this type of garment should be able to work with most of the characters' body morphs. 

crosswind said:

In my exp., that seems to be a rigging issue...

If you try re-rigging the skirt to G9 Base with Transfer Utility (Fit the skirt to None beforehand...), then dial the character morph, the issue should be gone ~

It did solve the problem.

What was wrong when the PA rigged it and what solved that rigging problem when I used Transfert Utility (at least when I used it correctly, the first time, the source was the dress and the target was Genesis 9 ) ?

I ever found the same issue from other products, however, I'm not 100% sure about the root reason....  I used to compared the re-rigged data with the original one, then I found skinbinding data are different.

Then, with Transfer Utility, Source should be G9 figure, Target should be the garment. 

Laurita said:

What is TransferClone?

Maybe it could at least bring me closer to a kind of satisfying result?

Ah, a typo... It should've been "by using Transfer Utility with Clone", e.g. mark facs corrective morphs from the source figure as Favorites. Choose G9 Clone in Item Shape from Source. Then only transfer Morph Targets with Favorites option. (ss1)

The prerequisites is that there're expression / facs corrective morphs on the source figure. If there isn't any... this way won't work.

But I still have to say that in most of the cases, you won't get really expected corrective shapes. An example down below : distored shape in (ss2), after transferring and dialing the corrective morphs... in (ss3)

Fixing in Blender or other sculpting software can always bring you perfect results.

 

Hello All! So I've made myself a character in Daz Studio, fixed up some mesh issues around the eyes in Blender. I have loaded it back onto G8.1F using Morph Loader, and after the niggles around that, got the morph to load and apply. The character is smaller than base G8.1F. I used Memorise Figure Rigging, then dialled in the morph to 100%. Then I went to the Jount Editor and did the thing where you get it aligned with the new morph's dimensions (I forget the official term just now). And then I go to ERC Freeze. Once it's Froze, the model shrinks a further percentage. I didn't check if it reapplied the morph... but this is the problem. Why has it shrunk? Should I not dial in the morph? What am I doing wrong? I know this gets asked a lot lol. I have had to use mobile data recently, so if I could get a direct link to a concise tutorial? Thank you.

It worked an hour ago, but now that I want to record a video to show the problem, using the Transfert Utility doesn't solve the problem anymore  (at least, I have saved the auto-generated morph before trying to do the whole process again…).

Edit: I forgot about the Clear Generated Moprh tool.

WendyLuvsCatz said:

reversed normals?

I don't know how to check that, sorry.

barbult said:

Is autofollow really checked (selected) in the skirt parameters? Is the skirt even rigged to G9 or is it just a dForce object not rigged?

1. The skirt is still adjusting to the change of the shape, so I suppose autofollow is active but I don't know where to check to be sure.

2. It has bones named as Genesis 9 bones are named so it seems rigged for Genesis 9.

Richard Haseltine said:

Is the skirt fitted to the figure?

I checked this morning, making sure it was fitted and yes, it is.

crosswind said:

In my exp., that seems to be a rigging issue...

If you try re-rigging the skirt to G9 Base with Transfer Utility (Fit the skirt to None beforehand...), then dial the character morph, the issue should be gone ~

It did solve the problem.

What was wrong when the PA rigged it and what solved that rigging problem when I used Transfert Utility (at least when I used it correctly, the first time, the source was the dress and the target was Genesis 9 ) ?

In my exp., that seems to be a rigging issue...

If you try re-rigging the skirt to G9 Base with Transfer Utility (Fit the skirt to None beforehand...), then dial the character morph, the issue should be gone ~

Bejaymac said:

The problem is that the bones for the eyelids are in the wrong place, they need to be fine tuned to get them back into the optimum possition for your morph, then you need to "bake" the changes into the morph, otherwise you'll get a bunch of duplicate formula errors.

That is not really true ~ The issue we're talking about mostly come from two reasons:
1) G8 has eight eyelid bones on each side while G9 only has two. The rigging as well as weight cannot be perfectly transferred;
2) Conversion tools (no matter Shape Transfer or Manfridays' Figure Converter or RiverSoftArt's scripts...or manual conversion...etc,) either transfer no facs corrective morph or cannot transfer them really well.

Adjust Rigging to Shape or other ways of tweaking bones in DS cannot fix it.  Transferring corrective morphs from G8 to G9 by using TransferClone can do some work but cannot assure 100% perfect result  ~~

Richard Haseltine said:

Cybersox said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Leana said:

Halcon Bluesky said:

I have tried to use today coupon with the Thandey HD for Genesis 9 Character Bundle, it does not work.

Which coupon? I've not seen any daily coupon supposed to work on new items. The "30 Gives you 30" banner coupons work only on the featured artists stores.

I wanted to buy the bundle instead of the single item featured as the Golden Ticket Item, otherwise, I will not buy anything today.

Buy the golden ticket item first, then buy the bundle. You'll get a discount for owning one of the items of the bundle, as well as the discount for owning a golden ticket item.

@Halcon Bluesky might be referring to the Premier Free Character Bundle code. If so, the Thandey bundle isn't in https://www.daz3d.com/premier-characters. It might be added later today after Daz staff arrive, as with last week's Uksn bundle.

I can't speak for them, but the fact that the bundle isn't showing for the PFCB is what I logged in to ask about.  I've already owned everything they've listed this month and this SEEMS to be promoted as though it's an official DAZ set, despite the lack of the usual Premiere only bonus morph, and I'd really hate to lose this month's coupon if this is the last P-bundle for the month.  

Not every bundle will be in that category. I don't know if there will be others, of the usual type or more like this, in the month though I would be surprised if there are no temptations waved under our noses. We can ask if it should be included, though.

That bundle has now been added to the selection of free bundles for Premier members.

Cybersox said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Leana said:

Halcon Bluesky said:

I have tried to use today coupon with the Thandey HD for Genesis 9 Character Bundle, it does not work.

Which coupon? I've not seen any daily coupon supposed to work on new items. The "30 Gives you 30" banner coupons work only on the featured artists stores.

I wanted to buy the bundle instead of the single item featured as the Golden Ticket Item, otherwise, I will not buy anything today.

Buy the golden ticket item first, then buy the bundle. You'll get a discount for owning one of the items of the bundle, as well as the discount for owning a golden ticket item.

@Halcon Bluesky might be referring to the Premier Free Character Bundle code. If so, the Thandey bundle isn't in https://www.daz3d.com/premier-characters. It might be added later today after Daz staff arrive, as with last week's Uksn bundle.

I can't speak for them, but the fact that the bundle isn't showing for the PFCB is what I logged in to ask about.  I've already owned everything they've listed this month and this SEEMS to be promoted as though it's an official DAZ set, despite the lack of the usual Premiere only bonus morph, and I'd really hate to lose this month's coupon if this is the last P-bundle for the month.  

Not every bundle will be in that category. I don't know if there will be others, of the usual type or more like this, in the month though I would be surprised if there are no temptations waved under our noses. We can ask if it should be included, though.

The problem is that the bones for the eyelids are in the wrong place, they need to be fine tuned to get them back into the optimum possition for your morph, then you need to "bake" the changes into the morph, otherwise you'll get a bunch of duplicate formula errors.

She looks fairly unexceptional, you ought to be able to find someone reasonably close and tweak the features to your liking.

Alternatively, get the AI to generate a big picture of your lady unsmiling, without make up, and with her hair tied back or missing altogether. Then feed her into Face Transfer to generate a shape. The G8 version seems to be on sale fairly often. Facegen is a similar product (not a Daz product, so not linking, but Google for it). They have a free trial version that puts a logo on the face texture - but that won't bother you if you're using your own.

Sorry I was at the school meeting... So : 
- yes Iray Decal Nodes are Iray Only. 
- yes if you want to use another render engine, you can use the generated map .. You generate everything on the decal node, then transfer the map to a geometry shell for instance. BUT as said : a "clean coverage" come from the projection method of decal nodes, using it on a geometry shell, you come back to the UV stretching and seams. Or you can use a projection method in the shader mixer (I remember I saw them once).
--> Map with written text : you can save and apply or save only the map to use it anywhere.
--> Any map - written or not - with "aging LIE effects" added : you can bake it and use it as the new opacity map to use it anywhere. 

Said differently : all the generated maps can be saved and then loaded at any time, where you want.
I updated the first post to clarify that Decal Nodes are Iray only. I thought this was common knowledge, but maybe I should also ask Daz to add it in the product description?

Cybersox said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Leana said:

Halcon Bluesky said:

I have tried to use today coupon with the Thandey HD for Genesis 9 Character Bundle, it does not work.

Which coupon? I've not seen any daily coupon supposed to work on new items. The "30 Gives you 30" banner coupons work only on the featured artists stores.

I wanted to buy the bundle instead of the single item featured as the Golden Ticket Item, otherwise, I will not buy anything today.

Buy the golden ticket item first, then buy the bundle. You'll get a discount for owning one of the items of the bundle, as well as the discount for owning a golden ticket item.

@Halcon Bluesky might be referring to the Premier Free Character Bundle code. If so, the Thandey bundle isn't in https://www.daz3d.com/premier-characters. It might be added later today after Daz staff arrive, as with last week's Uksn bundle.

I can't speak for them, but the fact that the bundle isn't showing for the PFCB is what I logged in to ask about.  I've already owned everything they've listed this month and this SEEMS to be promoted as though it's an official DAZ set, despite the lack of the usual Premiere only bonus morph, and I'd really hate to lose this month's coupon if this is the last P-bundle for the month.  

I hope it isn't the last September P-bundle! There's 2+ weeks to go. I *think* Daz is treating a few regular DO+PA bundles like its DO character bundles for the PA sale, which is fine. But I was hoping this week would have a new bundle with an unusual character I liked, not more cheesecake girls.

(I, at least, have some older PFCBs to chose from, and I like most of the Uksn contents even though I've no real use for the character.)

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Leana said:

Halcon Bluesky said:

I have tried to use today coupon with the Thandey HD for Genesis 9 Character Bundle, it does not work.

Which coupon? I've not seen any daily coupon supposed to work on new items. The "30 Gives you 30" banner coupons work only on the featured artists stores.

I wanted to buy the bundle instead of the single item featured as the Golden Ticket Item, otherwise, I will not buy anything today.

Buy the golden ticket item first, then buy the bundle. You'll get a discount for owning one of the items of the bundle, as well as the discount for owning a golden ticket item.

@Halcon Bluesky might be referring to the Premier Free Character Bundle code. If so, the Thandey bundle isn't in https://www.daz3d.com/premier-characters. It might be added later today after Daz staff arrive, as with last week's Uksn bundle.

I can't speak for them, but the fact that the bundle isn't showing for the PFCB is what I logged in to ask about.  I've already owned everything they've listed this month and this SEEMS to be promoted as though it's an official DAZ set, despite the lack of the usual Premiere only bonus morph, and I'd really hate to lose this month's coupon if this is the last P-bundle for the month.  

Padone said:

@crosswind, I understand @Dark45 is referring to the case where some geometry is very stretched to achieve a particular morph, aka the mesh density is not uniform. In this case of course the strands density follows being more sparse in the stretched area, thus the need to export as subdivided which will provide some better density due to the subd smoothing.

Yep, actually that was what I understood. But to me, making it with more sub-divided mesh is not a really good / efficient way... though user-oriented SBH Editor has no generation mode of Root Radius ~~

If one optimizes the surfaces setup, creates partial hair / fur, tweaks the settings in SBH Editor, combs the hair / fur, when there's a partial sparse issue, these can be easily fixed.

Like what I showed above, I created a larger ear morph for the right ear of the fox, tweak the setting in SBH Editor a bit, there's no sparse / angular issue at all.

It gives an error when uploading a photo. I tried different photos, but the result is the same. What needs to be done?

People can't see it if you link to a your product library. Link to character https://www.daz3d.com/hlmah-nobara-for-genesis-9

You should probably attach an image of what you are seeing. My guess is that you are having an unwanted morph active.