OK, I followed aldoreno's instructions (thank you) but in addition I enabled the 'Spectral Occlusion' and left that at it's defaults. For the source skin material set I used a recent character called Kjaer 8 (or something like that), applied the DAZ Iray PBR Skin shader preset and enabled all Surfaces shader features that where enabled on the original Kjaer that were in actual use. I then enable 'Spectral Occlusion' even though it wasn't present on the original Kjaer skin materials. About 1500 iterations in they are looking very similar except 'Spectral Occlusion' has amped up the slightest sheen highlights on the face to be more obviously present. Think of it as the original render with the over iRay Skin shaders looks like someone that has just showered and thouroughly dried off on a cool day compared to that same person after finished the day at about 5 PM at work, not sweaty or oily too much but the skin is doing it's job and perspiring and getting a tab oilier thoughout the day. That's what the DAZ Iray PBR Skin shader preset with 'Spectral Occlusion' did. I kind of like it as that give me a one on/off button that makes a character a bit more realistic in some scenes without making them too oily or plastic looking. Neither render looks plastic which is a huge step up since the intro of Victoria 8 and Michael 8 a while back.

There is still the problem though of very high gloss areas with bumpiness (looking at his shoulder socket area) in my eyes look like blistered skin rather than oily skin. Is that the bump & normals being too strong? If I'm right, probably but I didn't change them. However, I should state on saying that I've never systematically studied pictures of blistered skin in bright light versus slightly oily skin in bright light so I'm not an authority.

Hello, I'm having a little trouble. I don't have a Genesis 8.1 and in my Genesis 8 folder doesnt have a 8.1 inside too. I update daz and the Genesis package. If I load Victoria 8.1 I get errors, missing pbrskin... Can someone help me please. :D thank you. 

Anim said:

Sorry to create a new thread - I did not find a final answer in the G 8.1 thread.

Is the vellus hair included in the Genesis G 8.1 base female?

A: Yes, but not yet available in the starter essentials (you have to wait for an update of the package)

B. No, you have to buy Victoria 8.1 base package.

C. No, you have to buy the Victoria 8.1 University Bundle

B :D 

Sorry to create a new thread - I did not find a final answer in the G 8.1 thread.

Is the vellus hair included in the Genesis G 8.1 base female?

A: Yes, but not yet available in the starter essentials (you have to wait for an update of the package)

B. No, you have to buy Victoria 8.1 base package.

C. No, you have to buy the Victoria 8.1 University Bundle

A slightly customised HD Victoria 8.1 (narrowed the chin a wee bit and perked her boobs) - I also used the custom smile morph that comes with HD Kayla Remake by Nirvana/Rarestone (at around 70% strength).

WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Wink.dsf#facs_ctrl_Wink?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Wink.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Triumph.dsf#facs_ctrl_Triumph?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Triumph.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Scream.dsf#facs_ctrl_Scream?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Scream.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Sad.dsf#facs_ctrl_Sad?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Sad.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Pouty.dsf#facs_ctrl_Pouty?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Pouty.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Pain.dsf#facs_ctrl_Pain?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Pain.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Ill.dsf#facs_ctrl_Ill?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Ill.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Happy.dsf#facs_ctrl_Happy?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Happy.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Glare.dsf#facs_ctrl_Glare?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Glare.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Fierce.dsf#facs_ctrl_Fierce?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Fierce.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Fear.dsf#facs_ctrl_Fear?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Fear.dsf
WARNING:\dzassetdaz.cpp(6843): Could not find target property for formula: Genesis8_1Female:/data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/FACS/facs_ctrl_Disgust.dsf#facs_ctrl_Disgust?value in file : /data/Daz 3D/Genesis 8/Female 8_1/Morphs/Daz 3D/Victoria 8_1/facs_Victoria8_1_ctrl_Disgust.dsf

I have purchased Victoria 8.1.
Before installing Victoria 8.1, there was no error log when importing "Genesis 8.1" from "Daz studio".
However, after installing Victoria 8.1, a warning message is displayed

facs_ctrl_Wink.dsf
facs_ctrl_Triumph.dsf
acs_ctrl_Scream.dsf
facs_ctrl_Sad.dsf
facs_ctrl_Pouty.dsf
facs_ctrl_Pain.dsf
facs_ctrl_Ill.dsf
facs_ctrl_Happy.dsf
facs_ctrl_Glare.dsf
facs_ctrl_Fierce.dsf
facs_ctrl_Fear.dsf
facs_ctrl_Disgust.dsf

There is no above file in the library folder.
What should I buy?

notiusweb said:

I yesterday installed 4.15 with Genesis 8.1, but I do not see any vellus hairs, it seemed this was a part of the new figure from the ads?

THX!

 

The ads were misleading.

If you want the vellus hairs you have to buy either

https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-8-1-loving-life-bundle

or

https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-8-1-university-bundle

Under what's included and features you will see the

• Genesis 8 Female Anatomical Elements
• Genesis 8 Male Anatomical Elements
• Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

without links to products. Which means the Vellus hair is like the Anatomical elements only available in "Pro" bundles.

Of course progress must be made. This is a business that can move very quickly and staying still for too long can result in...well it can result in where Poser is right now.

But at the same time, you cannot just abandon the past for the sake of progress if it can be avoided. As I already pointed out, some of the changes for this 8.1 are just so minor and odd. There are different ways for every solution. On one hand, I do appreciate that Daz took steps to maintain support for G8. But at the same time, when you look at the changes, it is kind of obvious since only one change is truly any kind of real upgrade. As I said before, so many of the changes are things that could have been done on the existing G8 without releasing a new 8.1 at all. People are STILL confused. We have posts on like page 30 of this thread where somebody asks how to get the new teeth for G8.1. The teeth are for Victoria, and they are nothing more than improved sculpting and textures, stuff that could be done on any model.

Is that progress? This is what Daz is touting as progress on their own front page.

There are two changes that somewhat break compatibility. The face rig and the UV. As I said earlier, the changes to the UV are largely debatable as for whether they provide improvement. I found another annoyance as well. Daz has now made the iris, sclera, pupil, eye moisture, and cornea ALL on single template. WHY?? The old Genesis 8 divided these into two templates, with the iris, pupil, and sclera logically on one template and the eye moisture and cornea were on another. This made applying eye textures and shaders easier. Now that all 5 of these are back together this will annoy the hell out of me for years to come.

So that is not what I consider progress. There are many things Daz could have done, and still kept most compatibility. The big key with most changes is how well can old content be moved up. Sure, old content and models do not go away from your content library, but if say clothing is no longer usable at all on a new model, that becomes a big problem. Sure you could use an old model and use the old clothes on them, but that old model looks, well, old. With so many shaders it is often easier to make old clothes look new, so well made clothing items can be used for a very long time.

I am of the belief that Genesis 8 is for the most part already right there where it needs to be. If anything, Genesis 8.1 proves my feeling correct, since all of the improvements really are just things they can do to the existing Genesis 8. The next frontier will be believably stretchy skin, and even then I think that can still work on Genesis 8. Most of the things Daz needs to do as a business revolve around getting Genesis adopted into other software. It almost seems like Daz is listening to me sometimes, as they have been building on their export tools. (Though I still argue they need genuine plugins for this, not scripts, they need to get over their terror of sharing small amounts of IP.) There are a ton of things Daz can do to move forward without killing G8 in the process.

I feel like they need to progress more with their Daz Studio software (getting the horrible loading times down really should be a top priority) and the store software should be items of focus for now.

Daikatana said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Daikatana said:

takezo_3001 said:

Daikatana said:

Well, this is interesting.  While the product store page does state that the Vellus hair is included with the victoria 8.1 figure, that is apparently NOT the case.  While I did put in a sales support ticket, those have been taking so long to answer recently that it just adds to my frustration.  I had held off on purchasing the V8.1 figure in large part because of the somewhat misleading advertising-which I am choosing to believe was unintentional but with the statements on the forum that DAZ3D was including it with V8.1, I decided to go ahead with the purchase.  Now, I find that even though the product store page states it is included, it is still apparently NOT included.  I have uninstalled -and made sure to delete the download package- via DIM and still no vellus hair. Hopefully someone here can advise me?

I guess that it was delayed due to Daz needing to package the item, but that's my guess, Daz needs to confirm that, anyway it's coming soon as it's located on the V8.1 product page.

 

Its alreadly listed on the product page.  I checked that.  Its definitely NOT in my library though. 

I've sent in a query on this.

Andd the Vellus hair just showed up in DIM.  Thank you Mr. Haseltine!

Did it show up as an update to Victoria 8.1 or as a separate product? I'm still not seeing anything in my DIM.

MxD said:

Just picked up the Victoria 8.1 upgrade and started exploring. So far i am extremly unimpressed, the face controls seem to be a disaster in the making. As soon as you inadvertently touch the wong part of any control DAZ crashes instantly every time. It's just completly useless and utterly frustrating. For any one contemplating this UPGRADE??? i would suggest to wait a while and see if DAZ gets the controls working unless of course you enjoy constantly recreating what has allready been done or have the discipline to save after each and every adjustment you make.

THIS IS VERY DISAPPOINTING

So many people say it's been crashing on them and I haven't had one crash using it. What version of DS are you using? Public or beta?

Kharma said:

Petra said:

Ok, as I said in the previous post after I installed the updated G8 Expressions, none of them worked on G8.1 anymore.

I uninstalled them and now they are working again on G8.1.

I installed some purchased  G8 expressions and they don't work on Victoria 8.1 whether I have the updated g8 expressions installed or not.

You are right, I checked and only a few work and only when I use the dials.

Artini said:

It will be even more interested to see the difference between this system and the newly released Vellus hair in:

https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-8-1-university-bundle

Nothing against that one in the University bundle, but I find Those Things' version far more realistic. It covers the body better is more accurate to actual vellus. I haven't sat up waiting on a new release like this in a good while!

Petra said:

Ok, as I said in the previous post after I installed the updated G8 Expressions, none of them worked on G8.1 anymore.

I uninstalled them and now they are working again on G8.1.

I installed some purchased  G8 expressions and they don't work on Victoria 8.1 whether I have the updated g8 expressions installed or not.

I put a water shader on the tear but I still don't see it. Is it only visible on Victoria? Also realized the expression is too extreme with the eyebrow going into the eye lol!

Alrighty - my render took 13 hours, but that's because I went made with emissive lighting...  Anyways, this is my first render of Victoria 8.1 without any customisations, just a little bit of expression change so it wasn't the default blank expression.

To cut a long story short, I'm delighted with my purchase - she has great potential.

plasma_ring said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

plasma_ring said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

so is the FACS thing only with Victoria 8 then?

no information in that video how it works as in what tool to use or if there is a window, Powerpose doesn't seem to have it just the usual dots so am assuming not just base 8.1

If you go to Expressions > any part of the face there are a bunch of new dials for 8.1. For example, eyes have options like Blink and Look Out/In.  You can also move the bones directly by expanding 8.1's head in the scene tab and opening up "upper face rig" and "lower face rig." As I understand it, the difference is mainly in how face movements are calculated. 

in the video they showed onscreen controls  

Oh interesting, I missed that somehow. It looks like some of the package updates are in wierd places, so maybe it's hiding (or was left out by mistake). D:

Never mind, I found it! It's under Genesis 8 Male PowerPose Templates > Anatomy > Genesis 8 Female Face Controls. It loads parented to the head and it doesn't seem to be visible in Iray viewport. 

For me it is at:  People> Genesis 8 Female> Developer Kit> Genesis 8.1 Female Face Controls.  In my case as well they are parented to the head and visible in texture shaded viewport as well. 

Richard Haseltine said:

Daikatana said:

takezo_3001 said:

Daikatana said:

Well, this is interesting.  While the product store page does state that the Vellus hair is included with the victoria 8.1 figure, that is apparently NOT the case.  While I did put in a sales support ticket, those have been taking so long to answer recently that it just adds to my frustration.  I had held off on purchasing the V8.1 figure in large part because of the somewhat misleading advertising-which I am choosing to believe was unintentional but with the statements on the forum that DAZ3D was including it with V8.1, I decided to go ahead with the purchase.  Now, I find that even though the product store page states it is included, it is still apparently NOT included.  I have uninstalled -and made sure to delete the download package- via DIM and still no vellus hair. Hopefully someone here can advise me?

I guess that it was delayed due to Daz needing to package the item, but that's my guess, Daz needs to confirm that, anyway it's coming soon as it's located on the V8.1 product page.

 

Its alreadly listed on the product page.  I checked that.  Its definitely NOT in my library though. 

I've sent in a query on this.

Andd the Vellus hair just showed up in DIM.  Thank you Mr. Haseltine!

Richard Haseltine said:

Wonderland said:

Thyranq said:

AllenArt said:

It is ONLY expressions that are not compatible. All morphs, poses, hair, clothing and wearables (with the exception of geoshells, for which there is a workaround for now) will STILL WORK. 

This. 

This has been said SOO many times, and it needs to be stressed. Too many people are getting the wrong idea that all their G8F stuff is obsolete, and it's not.  

But all my expressions ARE working! See above. 

Yes, it's some expressions that don't work.

 And the only place I see this disclaimer is under the video on the V8.1 product page. It also says you can't use G8.1 content on previous characters, including G8, so it's a bit confusing on which expressions won't work from G8 to G8.1, and which specific content isn't backwards compatible from G8.1. Especially since some have found workarounds using Scene ID:

"Note that your Genesis 8 products should work with Genesis 8.1 characters, with the exception of some expressions. However, you cannot apply your Genesis 8.1 content to Genesis 8 or earlier characters."

Wonderland said:

Has anyone tried combining Victoria 8.1 with G8 characters? What happens to the new teeth, mouth and eyes? Even if I got the character, I would never use the morph as is...

@Wonderland  this is one that I did with Victoria 8.1 plus a bit of Keyanna and Carra , both G8 

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/6418071/#Comment_6418071

Wonderland said:

Has anyone tried combining Victoria 8.1 with G8 characters? What happens to the new teeth, mouth and eyes? Even if I got the character, I would never use the morph as is...

I combined V8.1 with an imported V7, even Gia 8, and everything worked out magnificently!