Wow... this thread got really long, rather fast. I finally figured out where I went wrong in trying to apply my Victoria 8.1. You have to re-download starter 8 essentials. Duh. All the 8.1 items needed are there, for free. That's the problem I was having. Thanks for the help, mods!

Havos said:

Any type of winter/warm clothing is slim pickings at this, and other DAZ/Poser stores, but the closest thing I can find is this:

https://www.daz3d.com/urban-metro-outfit-for-genesis-2-male-s

It should autofit to G3M/G8M without issues. Main snag of this one is the zip is partially open, so you either need to make a morph, or use something like Mesh Grabber to attempt to close it.

Another (very old) option is this.

https://poserworld.com/hiking-set-for-daz-victoria-4

At least it comes completely closed, and has morphs to open it. You should be able to get it onto males via autofit to Genesis, and then to G2M/G3M or G8M as desired. I have the set, so I can show you what it looks like on G8M it you want.

The only other option is to use a full winter coat, of which there are a handful, and either use a transparency to remove the sleeves, or hack off the sleeves using some mesh editor like Hexagon.

Thanks very much Havos, gonna have a play around with these suggestions.

The base G8.1 still use the old G8 materials.  Victoria 8.1 is what used the new PBR shader.  You do get the PBR default shader with G8.1 but you have to apply it.

Tracked down the products that have been effected. If you download a fresh copy of these and install again (overwrite), they should not be automatically activated anymore.

Z Sexy Bodybuilder Shape Preset and Poses for Genesis 8 Female
Body Morph Kit for Genesis 8 Female
Rory HD for Genesis 8 Female
RY Elysa for Victoria 8
MDD Oomi For G8F (Rendo)

Any type of winter/warm clothing is slim pickings at this, and other DAZ/Poser stores, but the closest thing I can find is this:

https://www.daz3d.com/urban-metro-outfit-for-genesis-2-male-s

It should autofit to G3M/G8M without issues. Main snag of this one is the zip is partially open, so you either need to make a morph, or use something like Mesh Grabber to attempt to close it.

Another (very old) option is this.

https://poserworld.com/hiking-set-for-daz-victoria-4

At least it comes completely closed, and has morphs to open it. You should be able to get it onto males via autofit to Genesis, and then to G2M/G3M or G8M as desired. I have the set, so I can show you what it looks like on G8M it you want.

The only other option is to use a full winter coat, of which there are a handful, and either use a transparency to remove the sleeves, or hack off the sleeves using some mesh editor like Hexagon.

TheKD said:

I tried the update meipe put on the forum, worked with Victoria 8.1 at least. Don't have any other 8.1 girls installed to try. Wiped out my whole G8 directory and starting from scratch again lol. Amazing having g8 load in less than a second lol, because I only have a few things installed at the moment.

Is it in the forum there? I couldn't find it. But the maker might actually be 3feetwolf or something.

I can't seem to mess with the gums on a G8F (Victoria).

I am trying to alter the Mouth surface using LIE but not getting anywhere. Nothing changes.

However, I did use Easy Teeth to remove a couple of teeth. It is the gums under there I want to mess with. Should be some bloody pits if a tooth has fallen out I think.

https://www.daz3d.com/easy-teeth-for-genesis-8-female-s-and-merchant-resource

Does anyone know if Easy Teeth moves the gum surface texture map or something? Or makes it impossible to manipulate?

The character needs to have a texture made for that use.

For example, Victoria 8.1 comes with textures for the 8.1 male gens for females, and Michael 8.1 comes with textures for the 8.1 female gens for males. The default UV for male gens and female gens is different. Any male gens texture should apply correctly to the male-for-female gens, and vice versa. Aubrey doesn't have textures made for the 8.1 M-F gens, so it won't work. (I have Aubrey, so I tried it out to see how things worked -- or didn't, as in this case.)

I tried the update meipe put on the forum, worked with Victoria 8.1 at least. Don't have any other 8.1 girls installed to try. Wiped out my whole G8 directory and starting from scratch again lol. Amazing having g8 load in less than a second lol, because I only have a few things installed at the moment.

HeavyRay said:

Daventaki said:

Thank you for the discount!   Love the eyes and the options are awesome!!

Beautiful pic - would you kindly share info on the model and texture used?
Eyes look wonderful as well - on my wishlist...  ;-)   

Thank you! Model is Victoria 8.1 with her default textures.

While this new venture into her asymmetrical morph is great for realism, it is a nightmare for modelers/PAs that want to specifically model victoria's 8.1 limbs/right/left side as the GOZ/morph loader morph mirroring: swap feature in the import dialogue is rendered useless as the right/left side of her body doesn't match! 

This setback is a step backward towards the crappy V4 era where you had to morph each body part separately up until Genesis 1 came around, which was a modeler's dream come true as you could model the entire body at once rather than by pieces! 

If anyone/modelers//PAs has a work-around I'd love to hear it!

Masterstroke said:

Victoria does not need to be symetrical, she is a character based on Genesis 8 Female.
Genesis 8 Female is the base figure, which has to be symetrical. So if you are creating morphs, clothes, hair, geo grafts or any other add ons, use the Genesis 8 Female base, not Victoria 8.

While this new venture into her asymmetrical morph is great for realism, it is a nightmare for modelers that want to specifically model victoria's 8.1 limbs as the GOZ swap feature in the import dialogue is rendered useless as the right/left side of her body doesn't match! 

jbowler said:

I assume Victoria 8.1F shape can be applied to the Genesis 8 Basic Female, but I haven't tried that. 

No, at least not directly.

G8.1F automatically loads morphs installed in both G8F and G8.1F data folders, so G8.1F can use G8F morphs (in DS4.15, at least). However G8F doesn't load morphs from G8.1F data folders, only the G8F ones. V8.1 morph files are located in G8.1F data folder, so your G8F figure doesn't see that morph and can't use it.

It might be possible to get it to work by copying or moving the needed files to the G8F data folder, and maybe editing some of the data files.

jbowler said:

vagans said:

How does Kii'Na work being both G8 and G8.1? Does it have separate entries for both? It's only showing a single Apply.

G8 and G8.1 have identical geometries, so a shape morph can be applied to either.  I assume Victoria 8.1F shape can be applied to the Genesis 8 Basic Female, but I haven't tried that.  Materials are different but there seems to be some fix-up code in Daz 4.15 that will put G8 torso materials on the correct G8.1 surfaces.

There's only 1 MAT according to the product description, though that could be incorrect since product descriptions for the features rarely match what you're actually getting. But if this a character that has a single geometry and a single MAT then it's G8, not 8.1 and this is a further example of ambiguous products between G8 and G8.1 not being specified correctly by either the PA or Daz QA. Customers could be expecting the character to have G8.1 materials.

I always thought the previous bases were rather nice and these use some of their textures but those eyes are terrible

while one expects Victoria and Micheal to be better that is no excuse for that polygonal eye map

even Microsoft paint can draw a circle

jestmart said:

All Generations before Genesis where modelled from one base, the female model.  DAZ stopped with Genesis 2 and later as it was difficult to get the male pectorals to look and move well.

Not exactly. Victoria and Michael 1/2 were separate mesh, the "unimesh" concet started with M3/V3.

And Genesis 2  Male and Female are the same mesh, it's Genesis 3 which went back to different meshes.

vagans said:

How does Kii'Na work being both G8 and G8.1? Does it have separate entries for both? It's only showing a single Apply.

G8 and G8.1 have identical geometries, so a shape morph can be applied to either.  I assume Victoria 8.1F shape can be applied to the Genesis 8 Basic Female, but I haven't tried that.  Materials are different but there seems to be some fix-up code in Daz 4.15 that will put G8 torso materials on the correct G8.1 surfaces.

Drip said:

MimicMolly said:

And that he implies that the 8.1 lime will be mostly of "new" characters and not repeats like Victoria and Michael.

That's a good point, and at least somewhat promising for the future.

So, now I'll just wait for Cat 8.1 and Lilith 8.1, instead of Cat 8 and Lilith 8.

I wouldn't hold my breath for Lilith 8.1. I think that demon girl shown in one of the promo images, might be the next "matching" figure and I have doubts she'd be called Lilith. I don't like her horns either (I have Tara 2, and it's hard to compete with that quality character IMO) but those don't look too familiar.

MimicMolly said:

And that he implies that the 8.1 lime will be mostly of "new" characters and not repeats like Victoria and Michael.

That's a good point, and at least somewhat promising for the future.

So, now I'll just wait for Cat 8.1 and Lilith 8.1, instead of Cat 8 and Lilith 8.