Add me to the list.  Purchase last night:

Character Converter from Genesis 3 Female to Genesis 8

Genesis 3 Character UVs for Genesis 8 Female

XTransfer - Genesis 3 to Genesis 8 Converter

Nothing showing up in DAZ Central or Install Manager.  Had to manually download, but its been a long time since I installed manually and of course the scripts don't show up in DAZ.  

Hmm, the drive towards Central does also coincidentally make it much harder for people to use external content, since Central doesn't see that. Another reason not to use it (not that I'm letting it near my computer again anyway - it was hard enough to remove after having a look at it the first time round).

I also filed a ticket about the (maddening to me) website Product Library Page "update"  and also got the same reply that they'd "pass along the feedback to the team etc" but not making any promises about anything happening.    In my post I asked what it even served Daz to strip out info/functions on the page since I could think of no pressing advantage or reason to do so unless to simply "break" the value of the page to drive users to adopt Daz Central.....
   ~Gen

 

Well one purpose it serves is to make it more difficult or impossible for customers to find information needed to submit requests (such as refunds) to customer service. But with that new limitation in mind I will be purchasing a lot less at DAZ

Oh my goodness! I just checked nhc.noaa.gov and we have an orange X right over Florida!  THAT was unexpected!!!!  It has a 50% chance of formation, BAMM, just like that- and you East Coast folks are possibly going to get something going up the coast. They say "paralleling" at the moment, ("initially paralleling") but we know how that can change in a heartbeat. It says moving away from land though. So check that out if you are Georgia, Carolinas, and on up the coast for the next few days. I mean, wow, nothing like going to check on those two X's out in the Atlantic and seeing an ORANGE X (not yellow) about five hours driving time from your house! 

Yep, I saw that last night; but no information on it yet at Tropical Tidbits

I put in for a refund for my entire order of old products bought tonight - not one single item appeared in my dim and from the looks of it the only options being offered to download is central and or manual zip both which don't use actually one is zip only though on their pages dim is listed

DIM uses the same files and servers as DazCentral and manual install, so they should be listed. It might be that you have a filter set in DIM which prevents them from appearing though...

The products you linked to all list "Daz Studio" not "Daz Studio 4.12" on the product page, so if you only have "DS 4.5+" selected in DIM filters they probably won't appear, for example.

I put in for a refund for my entire order of old products bought tonight - not one single item appeared in my dim and from the looks of it the only options being offered to download is central and or manual zip both which don't use actually one is zip only though on their pages dim is listed

That's weird, the large purchase of older items I made a few hours ago are all showing up in DIM.

tried several times without any luck, not been having a lot of luck lately with purchases had a lot of stuff not showing up in right locations or missiing files or other problems these were new releases too but tonight bought bunch of pretty old I think content well other add on content poses I didn't get are from the Michael/Vicky 4 days

https://www.daz3d.com/the-village-blacksmith

https://www.daz3d.com/old-forge

https://www.daz3d.com/old-west-saloon

https://www.daz3d.com/the-old-west-saloon-interior

https://www.daz3d.com/old-west-undertakers-interior

https://www.daz3d.com/old-west-mercantile-interior

https://www.daz3d.com/old-west-sheriffs-office-interior

I put in for a refund for my entire order of old products bought tonight - not one single item appeared in my dim and from the looks of it the only options being offered to download is central and or manual zip both which don't use actually one is zip only though on their pages dim is listed

That's weird, the large purchase of older items I made a few hours ago are all showing up in DIM.

I put in for a refund for my entire order of old products bought tonight - not one single item appeared in my dim and from the looks of it the only options being offered to download is central and or manual zip both which don't use actually one is zip only though on their pages dim is listed

I also filed a ticket about the (maddening to me) website Product Library Page "update"  and also got the same reply that they'd "pass along the feedback to the team etc" but not making any promises about anything happening.    In my post I asked what it even served Daz to strip out info/functions on the page since I could think of no pressing advantage or reason to do so unless to simply "break" the value of the page to drive users to adopt Daz Central.   I mentioned that with 5836 products (per my DIM info), a really lousy store search function on Daz3d, and a very tedious, hit&miss mess of content mgmt system in DazStudio itself, that for me (& others) the fastest way to look for/browse purchased content when deciding on what you need for a scene you're working on is to go to the Product Library page, and you can filter by obvious words to narrow your surfing or just click title after title without any filters and you can quickly see a picture and DETAILS for EVERY PRODUCT without having to open a PRODUCT PAGE to READ DETAILS for every one. Also, very helpful to see ORDER# info.  

UGH- (smacking self upside the head) for ages I used to "harvest" ALL PROMO IMAGES and screengrab the product page/details and file them with revised names per product & type (e.g., PROPS, CHARS, SETS, VEHICLES, SHADERS, etc) into a folder set of folders per type-- so that I could always have the product promos & details for reference, even when internet was out. But after years of so doing and then too much real life, I stopped "harvesting" when I bought, the backlog got overwhelming, and so I gave that up, and especially began relying on website's Product Library page for reviewing/surfing my content. OF COURSE, scant months later, various PRODUCTS (including many I have) began to disappear from the store, their details/promos GONE, and so... here we are!   ; (       This is a lesson I keep getting taught & forgetting over & over it seems: digital content is not reliable, unless you HAVE IT COPIED on some device of your control.  Rhapsody, anyone? An early music store that went away, too bad about your purchased library. Never mind all the movie purchase & streaming platforms where they even state the movie you buy may not alway be available in future, and content that goes away according to the latest licensing deals between the studios & platforms. UGH, so much hate :) for this stuff.  ;)      Consumerism is just too much heartbreak & hard work!

@Novica - as I recall, even the Christmas PA Giveaway items did originally have descriptions and details on their product pages when they released to the store.    
   ~Gen

Perhaps Daz sees the single-frame market as less desirable than game gear, and they've decided to put us in our place. Duly noted.

Which is ironic, as people who are into games and animation are more likely going to be even MORE concerned with having access to the info that they've deleted, because that's a business, as well as being far more likely to use unconventional runtime schemes that DAZ Central can't handle.  Beyond that, this will be what... DAZ's third or fourth time to try to break into a different market since the introduction of DS 4.0, and how well have any of those attempts gone? 

Same answer for me as well.

I'm in the middle of reorganising and updatng my local storage of 3d files, so yeah, I have also recently needed the information that was still there a few days ago, and almost certainly will need again. Maybe I should start keeping my order overview in a local copy too (probably should have done so from the start, but hey), in case that suddenly goes away as well.

If this is the way forward, well... I'm just making sure that I have the install files for the current version of Studio safely on a harddisk or two, lest a future version is suddenly Central only. I also may not be spending as much.

No promises, but I've brought some of your concerns to the right people and they are considering some updates. It will have to go through the standard discuss/design/implement routine so it will take some time if they do like the suggested updates but the right people are aware.

Note that we aren't talking "updates", we're talking "put the old working layout back because this one is useless".

Exactly.  And the issue is even more infuriatiing because all that data was replaced by an AD that repeats on every single page.  I haven't loaded DAZ Central yet because I already know, from many people who've been unfortunate enough to do so, that it won't currently support my runtime structure, but I'd been holding an open mind towards it were they able to get it working properly.  However, if I have to keeping staring at a stupid ad for it every time I go to my product library and see it sitting there where USEFUL information once was, that open mind goes out the window and the odds are that I will NEVER try it out of pure and simple spite.       

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Except that people who do have Daz Central installed confirmed that the files really weren't available that way either. It really was that the file association (the way the system knows which files go with which product) had failed, not part of a conspiracy.

Cool. I still don't want that mess on my computer, I'm still mad about this completely unwarranted and deeply regressive change, and it still feels like Daz is pushing us toward something invasive that the majority neither want nor need. They replaced literally all of the useful info in our on-site product libraries with a DazCentral advertisement, on every single page. Given the timing, I don't find it surprising or unreasonable that people are feeling a bit conspiratorial and bracing for the worst.

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

...cloud storage means you have to be online. I am not fond of having to be online when working as it is dependent on your connection and takes up additional system resoruces as well.

There's no reason you'd have to be, and I don't think anyone is suggesting using cloud storage as anything more than a backup for our data in case the worst happens. We all seem to appreciate at least some degree of disconnect between Studio and the internet, preferring manual installation or DIM.

I'm not a fan of using the cloud in lieu of local storage, but I'm a big fan of using it to back select things up for subsequent retrieval. I'd never trust cloud storage in situations where you have to read/write to it constantly. In general I hate remote read/write stuff, ever since college when they disabled all local saving and forced us to read from and write directly to a university server. Unsurprisingly, a whole bunch of our major projects got corrupted in the process. But I'm happy to pay Apple a buck a month for the space to keep copies my pictures and documents (I maintain all of the data locally as well and all access is local), and $10/mo to Dropbox for everything else (uploaded on my schedule).

Any version of Studio that starts requiring us to use DazCentral or have an always-on connection is the version I will refuse to install, ever, no matter how many attractive upgrades it brings.

...I have one backup drive and am looking at getting another larger one when my next cheque comes through.  I like keeping things local and am not a fan of putting my more important or critical work on someone else's server where can be hacked  Dropbox security has been breached both last year and more recently.  

I don't upload anything I would consider to be "secure" information, nor would ever recommend someone to do so. If someone hacks into my Dropbox, they won't find passwords or banking info, just the mother lode of gluten free recipes, crochet patterns, and bad fanfiction, plus the occasional scene file that they won't be able to use properly. Maybe they'll see a picture or two of my elf's bits, but that's kinda what I'm making those for in the first place. ;)

I understand being concerned about digital security, and I am. I will always choose local storage first and routinely buy the largest devices I can so that I'm able to store everything. I have a storage shelf filled with nothing but hard drives and anything that I would mind someone else seeing never touches iCloud or Dropbox. That doesn't mean I won't consider a digital backup for certain pieces of non-sensitive information. Our art isn't what hackers are looking for. YMMV, of course, but I'm personally not going to lose sleep over someone getting a glimpse of my 20-something character's "anatomical elements," or my recipe for black bean brownies.

The limoncello bundt cake recipe, of course, is another matter entirely.

It's a good update. It's a download page, nobody read the description of the product.

I read those descriptions and checked purchase information all the time. Today I was trying to figure out when I bought the OceanQueen Megabundle and my only recourse, short of looking at every single order until I found it (because we can't search our order history here), was to hunt down the purchase confirmation email from more than four years ago. A couple days back I would have been able to find out in about ten seconds by looking at the info in my product library, but Daz decided it was critical that I no longer be able to do that.

Yesterday I had to submit a tech support ticket and what's already a tedious process took even longer because the purchase information was gone. I had to go reference the order itself; fortunately it was relatively recent and I only had to look through four orders to find it instead of the 345 that OceanQueen would have required (which is how many orders back that purchase was out of 459 total).

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

...cloud storage means you have to be online. I am not fond of having to be online when working as it is dependent on your connection and takes up additional system resoruces as well.

There's no reason you'd have to be, and I don't think anyone is suggesting using cloud storage as anything more than a backup for our data in case the worst happens. We all seem to appreciate at least some degree of disconnect between Studio and the internet, preferring manual installation or DIM.

I'm not a fan of using the cloud in lieu of local storage, but I'm a big fan of using it to back select things up for subsequent retrieval. I'd never trust cloud storage in situations where you have to read/write to it constantly. In general I hate remote read/write stuff, ever since college when they disabled all local saving and forced us to read from and write directly to a university server. Unsurprisingly, a whole bunch of our major projects got corrupted in the process. But I'm happy to pay Apple a buck a month for the space to keep copies my pictures and documents (I maintain all of the data locally as well and all access is local), and $10/mo to Dropbox for everything else (uploaded on my schedule).

Any version of Studio that starts requiring us to use DazCentral or have an always-on connection is the version I will refuse to install, ever, no matter how many attractive upgrades it brings.

...I have one backup drive and am looking at getting another larger one when my next cheque comes through.  I like keeping things local and am not a fan of putting my more important or critical work on someone else's server where can be hacked  Dropbox security has been breached both last year and more recently.  

Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.

And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.

The files are still there but for whatever reason they're labeled "Daz Studio" now...

I suppose Daz wanted to separate files for programs like blender and C4D from files for DS, and forgot about Poser...

Also my less-than-successful foray into the rap world

So many unsold copies...

Most products from V4 era only have poser files, or have a single install file for both poser and DS. In that case the file wasn't  labeled "ps".
The poser files are definitely still there, just not marked as such.

And in some cases, like V3, you have to download the file and unzip it to find out it's in fact Poser.

But at least we have a nice big advert on every page reminding us of Daz Central. Who needs actual useful information anyway?

Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.

And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.

Yep look closely. Under DAZ Studio there is a file that is labeled (in small print) PS

Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.

And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.

The files are still there but for whatever reason they're labeled "Daz Studio" now...

I suppose Daz wanted to separate files for programs like blender and C4D from files for DS, and forgot about Poser...

Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.

And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Except that people who do have Daz Central installed confirmed that the files really weren't available that way either. It really was that the file association (the way the system knows which files go with which product) had failed, not part of a conspiracy.

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

...cloud storage means you have to be online. I am not fond of having to be online when working as it is dependent on your connection and takes up additional system resoruces as well.

There's no reason you'd have to be, and I don't think anyone is suggesting using cloud storage as anything more than a backup for our data in case the worst happens. We all seem to appreciate at least some degree of disconnect between Studio and the internet, preferring manual installation or DIM.

I'm not a fan of using the cloud in lieu of local storage, but I'm a big fan of using it to back select things up for subsequent retrieval. I'd never trust cloud storage in situations where you have to read/write to it constantly. In general I hate remote read/write stuff, ever since college when they disabled all local saving and forced us to read from and write directly to a university server. Unsurprisingly, a whole bunch of our major projects got corrupted in the process. But I'm happy to pay Apple a buck a month for the space to keep copies my pictures and documents (I maintain all of the data locally as well and all access is local), and $10/mo to Dropbox for everything else (uploaded on my schedule).

Any version of Studio that starts requiring us to use DazCentral or have an always-on connection is the version I will refuse to install, ever, no matter how many attractive upgrades it brings.