IceCrMn said:

I just got this one today and my G8 to G9 conversions are coming out wrinkled also.

When I open the parameters and look under sub-components it lists, what looks like, hundreds of bones.

My custom character used morphs from other characters to build. It's a traditional "dial spun" build.

So the conversion included things like the breast morph and for some reason it included many many bones like toes, eye lids, teeth, etc,etc that all had what looked like random scaling and orientation assigned to them.

The face and body dials that came over with the conversion included a duplicate set of these and had yet different settings for them.

It is best in this case to export (on your G8) the entire custom character as one morph and then pull it back into G8. Turn off all the little morphs and only dial in the one big morph, then convert that.

onemadwomble said:

Hi, I have converted a character from G8 to G9 (using convert scene character) but when I dial in the character, I lose G9 expressions. I can't understand how this could be happening because I thought morphs were additive. So... if I dial in an expression on G9 and then apply my character, the character is dialled in and the expression disappears. If I have the character dialed in and dial in the expression not much happens (minor movement of lips etc...). The character I am converting is a single face morph in G8. I thought at first that I had lost my expressions on G9 but I think that the new character dial has got the face rig encoded in it... the bone rotations of the face rig are definitely changing when I dial the new character in and out. Do you know what I might have done wrong?

You did nothing wrong. This is the nature of the conversion. Because G9 is so different than G8, the morph captures the entire change, unlike with the converters from G3 to G8. This is why it cannot work on small morphs (like on a hand) and people complain about the figure getting wrinkled. Every converted morph is affecting the entire body. This converter is best for whole "character" morphs.

Elor said:

I don't know if I did something wrond while using it with Daz Studio 4.24 on Windows, and I'm not completely sure what cause the problem, but when I tried to use Hat Check with a cylinder (to create morphs for a headset) I encountered a strange behaviour.

If I'm using the slider to change the various scale, then type a numerical number, the scale of the visible cylinder can be reduced a lot and more importantly will be off compared to the one that will be used by the script.

At one point, I ended with the whole hairs being taken into account by the script: while what I saw was a cylinder with a diameter close to the headset ear covers, the script thought it was big enough to cover the whole head.

If feels like typing a numerical value will apply the percentage typed on the current size of the cylinder instead of applying it to the base size.

1. I used the slider to set the X and Z scale at 57.9%:

2. Then, later, I typed 60 and ended with a cylinder smaller that it was at 57.9% (sorry, I didn't think to place the camera in the same position as on the previous screenshot, but the cylinder is smaller):

The first time it happened (the one which ended with the script working on the whole hairs), reseting the value didn't reset the cylinder to it's original scale. I don't remember trying to type a numerical value over 100% to see if it would actually made the visible cylinder bigger though.

I am not sure what is happening. However, I do know that typing a value will often NOT give an immediate change to the script. Typing for some reason will not trigger the same events in the script. The script often has to wait until you change another slider to see the true value of the slider where you typed.

The good new is that I read the manual and will track all the morphs loaded on Genesis 9 Dev that are triggering the script to say the figure is not in a zero state 

A more practical question: to create a morph for the ear covers of a headest, do you think it's best to do it one ear at a time or both at the same time, with a cylinder going from ear to the other?

Not sure. Can the headset ear covers be independently changed?

If you want to rig the clock hands from very beginning, better rig them on the target zeroed figure / prop. That would be much easier to align the orign / end points from proper Views.

Since now you're just adopting the rigged clock hands from another watch, you can simply Reparent the watch bones to the root node of that watch with Joint Editor, delete other bones as well as the polygons you don't need, then parent the rigged watch hands to the target non-rigged watch. (Vanity Watch...) (ss1)

Or, you can further rig one watch to another with Greedy and Merge Hierarchies options in Transfer Utility, then do: Merge Fitted Figure(s) Geometry with Geometry Editor on the root watch node, the geometry of two watches can be merged as a single watch figure.

Finally, save a Figure Asset... as needed. (ss2)

Hello,

I was wondering if there is a hero physicality morph for genesis 8 and 9 for both male and female like there is for genesis 4

https://www.daz3d.com/super-physicality-bundle

would really help for the zero to hero morph I'm going for in a scene

The product page states that Genesis 9 shapes are supported ( https://www.daz3d.com/ah-dforce-grace-christmas-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-and-genesis-9 ) but the Genesis 9 outfit items don't conform to the body when any shapes are applied (example pictured shapes: base feminine, breasts large, and body heavy - all claim to be supported), except for AH GCO Belt G9 and AH GCO Neckband G9 (the latter conforms to base feminine only) - the G9 versions of the dress, gloves, and panty don't reshape at all.

Any advice? I assume this needs to be fixed by Aesthetic House / Daz Originals?

(I tried using transfer utility, but couldn't get that to do anything useful - the best I could do was autofitting the genesis 8 version onto the genesis 9 model, which isn't ideal)

Here's another example - an interpretation of Elphaba, using Angela 9 as a base and some basic morph tweaks.

Also using my Lip Service for Genesis 9 product for the lips

Richard Haseltine said:

I wasn't saying it shouldn't work with LoPi, just that I thought the reson it didn't was that it was looking for a feature that LoPi lacks compared to other figures (including, apparently, quickly-rigged primitives) and not coping gracefully when it couldn't find it.

Feel free to ignore this as too much hair-splitting, but the DS Symmetry tool does work along the X axis - it matches the left (-X) and right (+X) bones and then does whatever it is told with them (copies one to the other, or swaps). You can either look at the direction of travel to get from one side of the symmetry to the other (a single axis) or the plane in which the thing is reflected (two axes needed to specify a plane, which is the issue with just saying it's using the Y axis rather than the YZ plane). Mirroring on the Y axis would be swapping head and toes.

"Along the axis" is not the same as "Across the axis".  You are trying to confuse me again but I can see through this . Across the axis is the terminology I've been familiar with from the DS Symmetry tool. I understand all of these different ways of describing the same thing now, but seeing the non-familiar terminology confused me when I tried to understand the Scene 4 - Morph Tools. I'm not a PA or a character creator or a morph expert, so maybe most people won't be as confused by this as I was.

Anyway, I always appreciate your help to understand things. 
Hm, I wonder what feature LowPi could lack that a dumb cube would have. Only the Shadow knows...

So, I followed through on my idea, and I morphed an unrigged cube (not a Daz Primitive, but a cube that had been saved as a prop). I intentionally made my morph asymmetrical. The tool correctly identified that the cube prop was symmetrical and the morph was not. It allowed me to delete the right side morph vertices and mirror the morph to make it symmetrical. So, it that actually worked with LowPi, I would be glad. So I still don't know why the tool would crash with LowPi.

Richard Haseltine said:

barbult said:

1. The tools talk about morph X-symmetry. That is strange and confusing, because figure morphs are symmetric around the Y axis (symmetric left to right) not around the X axis (front to back). I think the tools are really implementing symmetry around the Y axis, but calling it "X-Symmetric", because the X axis runs left to right. That terminology doesn't follow the Daz standards of referring to the axis of symmetry, though (e.g. the DS Symmetry tool). I just found this non-standard terminology a frustrating impediment to trying to understand the product.

No, the x axis runs from left to right so that is the axis that matters - if you prefer, it is mirrored in the YZ (vertical/front-back) plane.

Thanks for responding, Richard. That is what I said, the X axis runs left to right. But my understanding of Daz Studio Symmetry tool is that is called symmetry around the Y axis. Whatever... The different terminology confused me. I figured out what the PA's terminology meant. "Mirrored in the YZ plane" has my head spinning again. I guess that is the same as mirrored across Y axis. I guess all these terms are intended to mean the same thing.

As far as the tool crashing with LowPi, there is no documentation limiting this tool to Genesis figures or any other limitation. I assumed it would work with anything. Maybe I'll try morphing something that isn't even a rigged figure and see what happens. A purchaser shouldn't have to try to guess what a product does. 

barbult said:

I am using this product https://www.daz3d.com/daz-studio-4-scene-tools-4--morph-tools in DS 4.24.0.3. There are no instructions for this product other than what is in the product description and promo images. I am continually having problems with these tools. I am trying to use it on LowPi. The product description does not say there are any limitations to what it is used on, so LowPi should be fine.

1. I load LowPi and run the tool "Check object vertex symmetry". It responds that "LowPi has symmetrical geometry using a tolerance of 0.001 cm."  OK, that looks pretty good to me.
2. I select any LowPi body or head morph in the Parameters pane and run the tool "Check Morph Symmetry". It responds that "Geometry is not sufficiently X-symmetric to evaluate." When I click OK, it says an error occurred. When I look at the DS log file, it says: 

   2025-11-28 20:48:09.163 [INFO] :: Loading script: N:/DAZ 3D/Studio/My DIM Library/Scripts/3D Universe/Scene Tools 4/Scene Tools 4 - Check Morph Symmetry.dse
   2025-11-28 20:48:56.746 [WARNING] :: Script Error: Line 296
   2025-11-28 20:48:56.746 [WARNING] :: SyntaxError: Invalid return statement.
   2025-11-28 20:48:56.746 [WARNING] :: Stack Trace:
   So, the tool crashed. I tried lots of different LowPi morphs and always got this error. But the previous tool told me the LowPi was symmetrical using a tolerance of 0.001, so if that is not symmetric enough to test its morphs for symmetry, what is good enough, and why would this just crash to tool? This tool has so far been useless. 

That sounds to me as if it is looking for a feature that LoPi lacks but the genesis figures have, and not returning a proper error when it can't find it so that the next step runs with invalid data and crashes.

1. The tools talk about morph X-symmetry. That is strange and confusing, because figure morphs are symmetric around the Y axis (symmetric left to right) not around the X axis (front to back). I think the tools are really implementing symmetry around the Y axis, but calling it "X-Symmetric", because the X axis runs left to right. That terminology doesn't follow the Daz standards of referring to the axis of symmetry, though (e.g. the DS Symmetry tool). I just found this non-standard terminology a frustrating impediment to trying to understand the product.

No, the x axis runs from left to right so that is the axis that matters - if you prefer, it is mirrored in the YZ (vertical/front-back) plane.

1. I'll submit a help request about the tool crash, but I haven't had good luck with getting fixes to verified 3D Universe product bugs in the past.

Request #482688

Check Morph Symmetry crashes Scene Tools 4 - Morph Tools

 

function said:

Mechasar said:

Hi there!

Thank you Rkane_1! I'm glad you like it, guys.

Hello Mechasar, I have a question on your product - Hitoshi Sensei HD for Genesis 8 Male, the old man's teeth is rare, how can I add some teeth for him?

I tried to slide the Hitoshi Sensei bar to 0 in the Shaping, he then goes back to normal G8M, and his teeth is full, but I don't know how to keep those full teeth when slide to 100% Hitoshi Sensei, please help. Thanks.

I apologize for the delayed reply, but without a tag it’s hard for me to find requests. So, Hitoshi’s character doesn’t come with an opacity map for the teeth, the entire mouth is part of the head morph, teeth included. This means that trying to reposition his teeth won’t achieve anything except distorting the whole character. But the great thing about DAZ Studio is that you can always find out-of-the-box solutions. So, follow the steps below and you’ll be able to easily fix old Hitoshi’s teeth.
If you’ve already installed the Genesis 9 model, you’ll know that the inside of the mouth is a separate mesh, then proceed like this:

• Load a basic Genesis 9 model in your scene, then attach the Genesis 9 Mouth and apply its basic material (that is because the mouth material is a hierarchical preset, and it wouldn’t work without loading the model first).
• Delete the Genesis 9 model from the scene but keep the Genesis 9 Mouth attachment.
• Load Hitoshi Sensei, and put his teeth opacity value to zero in the 'Surface' pane.
• Move and scale the Genesis 9 Mouth using the following parameters:
  • Genesis 9 Mouth
    • Y translate: -19.92
    • Z translate: -0.76
    • X scale: 124.9
    • Z scale: 99.4
  • Genesis 9 Mouth/Head
    • Bend: -7.32
  • Genesis 9 Mouth/Head/Upper Teeth
    • X scale: 99.2
    • Y scale: 104
  • Genesis 9 Mouth/Head/Lower Teeth
    • Y translate: 0.097
    • Z translate: 0.63
    • X scale: 99
    • Z scale: 102.2
• Load a second Genesis 9 Mouth, copy and paste the same parameters of the first Genesis 9 Mouth on it (also copy and paste the materials too).
• Parent one Genesis 9 Mouth to the Hitoshi’s ‘Upper Teeth’ bone, the other one to the ‘Lower Jaw’ bone, but make sure the ‘Parent item in place’ option has been checked first (‘Scene’ pane, right click on it, then select the ‘Parenting’ options).
• in the 'Scene' pane, turn off the visibility of the lower teeth of the Genesis 9 Mouth parented to Hitoshi's upper teeth, then turn off the visibility of the upper teeth of the other Genesis 9 Mouth parented to Hitoshi's lower jaw.
• Select both Genesis 9 Mouth, go to the ‘Surfaces’ pane, then put the values of the ‘mouth’ opacity to zero (this will make only the teeth visible, while hiding the gums).

At this point, dear Hitoshi should be sporting a bright, shiny smile ;)

1. File bug reports. I personally think you should name the characters so when people search the forums about faulty character they will find this thread.

2. Two options to fix

• Option 1: Non-permanent solution. Identify any JCMs which shouldnt be active under 'currently used'.  Disconnect/unlink the faulty JCMs so they are no longer controlled by their drivers, and set them to zero, as per what Crosswind described here: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/9359131/#Comment_9359131
• Option 2: Permanent solution.  Update controllers via the Property Heirarchy and resave the updated modifier assets so they overwrite the originals (may want to take backup first if you are worried).
  • Parameters > Preferences > Show Hidden Properties
  • Paramaters tab > go into Edit Mode (right click a parameter and choose Edit Mode)
  • Parameters tab > Find the faulty JCM  > Right click > Show in Property Heirarchy
  • Property Heirarchy tab > Go to Controllers> Stage 2
  • Drag over the character's Body morph from Parameters tab into the Property Heirarchy tab Multiply slot
  • File > Save As > Support Asset > Save Modified Assets (or you can manually save out indiidual Modifier Asset(s) to relevant content library)

Again, this is vendor's job. 

Is there a daz3d or poser morph to make the "Cookie" and "Chip" characters look de-toonified? 

In other words look realistic or only slightly stylised but still able to wear all of the Cookie and Chip clothes? 

There could be halfway stages of stylisation.

There could be a whole semi-toon world of partly realistic characters where slightly stylised Cookie meets slightly stylised Genesis 9.

I am using this product https://www.daz3d.com/daz-studio-4-scene-tools-4--morph-tools in DS 4.24.0.3. There are no instructions for this product other than what is in the product description and promo images. I am continually having problems with these tools. I am trying to use it on LowPi. The product description does not say there are any limitations to what it is used on, so LowPi should be fine.

1. I load LowPi and run the tool "Check object vertex symmetry". It responds that "LowPi has symmetrical geometry using a tolerance of 0.001 cm."  OK, that looks pretty good to me.
2. I select any LowPi body or head morph in the Parameters pane and run the tool "Check Morph Symmetry". It responds that "Geometry is not sufficiently X-symmetric to evaluate." When I click OK, it says an error occurred. When I look at the DS log file, it says: 

   2025-11-28 20:48:09.163 [INFO] :: Loading script: N:/DAZ 3D/Studio/My DIM Library/Scripts/3D Universe/Scene Tools 4/Scene Tools 4 - Check Morph Symmetry.dse
   2025-11-28 20:48:56.746 [WARNING] :: Script Error: Line 296
   2025-11-28 20:48:56.746 [WARNING] :: SyntaxError: Invalid return statement.
   2025-11-28 20:48:56.746 [WARNING] :: Stack Trace:
   So, the tool crashed. I tried lots of different LowPi morphs and always got this error. But the previous tool told me the LowPi was symmetrical using a tolerance of 0.001, so if that is not symmetric enough to test its morphs for symmetry, what is good enough, and why would this just crash to tool? This tool has so far been useless. 

3. The tools talk about morph X-symmetry. That is strange and confusing, because figure morphs are symmetric around the Y axis (symmetric left to right) not around the X axis (front to back). I think the tools are really implementing symmetry around the Y axis, but calling it "X-Symmetric", because the X axis runs left to right. That terminology doesn't follow the Daz standards of referring to the axis of symmetry, though (e.g. the DS Symmetry tool). I just found this non-standard terminology a frustrating impediment to trying to understand the product.

4. I'll submit a help request about the tool crash, but I haven't had good luck with getting fixes to verified 3D Universe product bugs in the past.

Request #482688

Check Morph Symmetry crashes Scene Tools 4 - Morph Tools

You can do it, but if the morph chnages the overall shape then the morphed hands will not line up with the unmorphed arms (or wherever you put the transition). You will also need to redo any joint adjustments or corrective morphs. You will also lose any HD details as we don't have the toold for creating  those.

Hi! So I want to know if there is a relatively simple way to limit morph effect area. For example, if I like how the character hands look and want to apply the character morph only to hands.

I know I can export and do that in some external software, but that's quite complicated, so I want to be able to do that within the Studio.

I know that morphs are essentialy the movement of the polygon vertices, and DAZ supports polygon selection, so I don't see technical limitations here, so maybe there already is a tool for that which I've just missed?

Hello! Can someone recommend a top daz character artist, that can create a hyperrealistic Genesis 9 character based on reference images? With head morph, body morph, eyebrows, expressions, makeup options, skin textures etc.

richardandtracy said:

Crosstalk in Poser was a programming fault that was used beneficially to create an easy way for the clothes follow the figure pose/morph. The existence of the fault was proven by the fact all characters recieved the same morph.

DAZ Studio has implemented a pretty strict object oriented approach to its dataset - just look at the scripting help files to get an idea of how data is obtained from the data objects only through pre-defined methods that hide a large part of the object data. As a result, the data objects only know about the object above and possibly below them in the tree, and only know a limited amount about the objects attached to them. Consquently, they will not know anything about another branch in the tree and cannot the affected by anyhing in that branch. So, in actual practice: 'Nothing has been done about cross talk' in DS, because crosstalk just wasn't possible in the first place.

I'm not quite sure what you are saying here, but I think it is not entirely correct. Daz was certainly aware of, and wanted to support, fitted items picking up the values of matching morphs on the base figure and took care to implement it as a feature rather than an exploit.

As for whether it has been fixed in Poser, I'm afraid I don't know. It would have required a complete re-vamp of the way the character & clothing data was stored in Poser. As it was an error, it needed to be fixed, and I imagine it has been fixed since the V1/M1 days. I can't recall having problems with it when I had P4 and was using V3 - but I didn't use P4 a great deal, it has to be said, because DS 0.7.x.x came out not long after I bought P4 and it was more capable and FREE.

Regards,

Richard

The first issue I see in your setup is that you have nested content directories: both "C:/Daz 3d/Appplications/Data/DAZ 3d" and "C:/Daz 3d/Applications/Data/Daz 3D/My Daz 3D Library" are listed as DS content directories, and that can cause problems.
What do you have in "C:/Daz 3d/Appplications/Data/DAZ 3d"?

Secondly, it seems you used several different installation tools to instal the same content multiple times (G8 starter essentials and the G8 morphs, for example)

• C:/Daz 3d/Applications/Data/Daz 3D/My Daz 3D Library looks like the default path used by Daz Central
• C:/Users/Public/Documents/My Daz 3D Library is the default one used by DIM
• E:/Daz3d/My Daz Connect Library would be for content you install via Connect (directly from within DS)

Since items are installed multiple times it's wasting space and there are likely old versions of some products in one directory and updated versions in another.

For the record, if a product is installed both via Connect and via DIM, the Connect version will be the one used, so if you updated the DIM version DS likely will ignore the update.
Morphs are a special case: DS will look in all content directories listed and load all morphs it can find (not sure how it handles finding multiple versions of the same morph though).

Another thing you should know is that Connect can't install plugins, and complex script products often don't work properly when installed via Connect. So for scripts and plugins it's recommended to use