Yes, I'm not also worried about a change to Studio breaking the original Genesis because as far as I know, both Genesis figures rely on the same technology. I'm sure DAZ would fix both Genesis versions if anything went wrong.

What I *am* worried about is vendors now having to choose whether to make things for the classic Genesis that most people have and have are comfortable with, or the new Genesis 2 and the people who want more content for it ASAP. We're going to go through exactly what we did with Michael 4 and David; having to choose which figure to use based not on which one we like more, but by what clothes we want them to wear in our render.

Choice of bundles depends on what you want to do with them. There are several different figures in DAZ store. Victoria 6 is the newest, it is a shape for the figure Genesis 2 Female. She is super new, was released only last week, so no-one has much experience with it yet. Also, because this figure is so new, it does not have very much clothing, hair, morphs and other accessoires that would be designed specially for her (although via autofit she can use clothing made for older figures). But we can expect that new stuff for Genesis 2 Female and V6 will be appearing in DAZ store regularly from now on.

Genesis (now should be called Genesis 1) is a figure older than Genesis 2 Female but one generation newer than figures Victoria 4, Michael 4 and other Generation 4 figures. Genesis (1) can change shape int anything - man, woman, child, monster... Victoria 5, Michael 5 and other Generation 5 models (like Aiko 5 or Freak 5) are all shapes for Genesis (1). Clothing designed for Genesis fits all character shapes regardless of gender and Genesis can wear clothing made for older figures via autofit. Because Genesis is about 2 years old, it has lots of clothing, hair, morphs, poses and other stuff already in DAZ store (or free at ShareCg).

When you speak about a children´s bundle, you probably mean Kids 4. They are Generation 4 figures, just like Victoria 4 and Michael 4. Figures of this generation can only wear clothing that is designed specially for them. So Victoria cannot wear Michael´s clothing, Kids´can only wear their own clothing etc. And they cannot wear clothing designed for older figures (Generation 3, like Victoria 3 etc.). There is LOTS of stuff for Victoria and a lot for Michael in DAZ store and in other 3D stores, as both Victoria and Michael are still very popular among users of Poser software. Kids have less stuff than them but they do have some. There are no Kids 5 for Genesis, but Genesis has a child morph, which can turn your character into a child.

MallenLane, like everyone else, I HUMBLY thank you for all your effort! You have nothing but my most ultimate respect as a DAZ customer and I will always look forward to your excellent works! :D And thank you for reasoning why DAZ took the approach with Genesis 2 they way they did. For some reason, hearing it come from you makes better to accept. Maybe it's because you are a very powerful figure connected to DAZ, or maybe it's because we DAZ customers know we can trust YOU. : )

But I do have one question that I'm surprised no one has really bothered asking: Will there be a Michael 4 for Genesis 2 Male? What about clones for the other Gen 4 and Gen 3 characters?

Also, do you have anything in the works that we can look forward to in regards to a Hitomi 2? Maybe a completely new character? :D

larsmidnatt said:

Kattey said:

I don't see myself using G2F anymore (once I figure out why bones don't adjust) or need to transfer Genesis morphs to it limited UVs. The only benefit it had - better rigging and toes, - are transferable back to Genesis, new morphs are transferable back to Genesis and rerigged Genesis figure can use G2F autofits with all previous figures and figure UVs, like Michael 4 and Michael 3 (if you have Iconics)
Original Genesis shown an right and left respectively, other two figures are G2F and rerigged Genesis.

Really?

Kattey said:

I don't see myself using G2F anymore (once I figure out why bones don't adjust) or need to transfer Genesis morphs to it limited UVs. The only benefit it had - better rigging and toes, - are transferable back to Genesis, new morphs are transferable back to Genesis and rerigged Genesis figure can use G2F autofits with all previous figures and figure UVs, like Michael 4 and Michael 3 (if you have Iconics)
Original Genesis shown an right and left respectively, other two figures are G2F and rerigged Genesis.

Really? Now that is interesting. I wasn't considering doing that, but maybe after a few more days and I get some sleep I can figure out how to do that too. What you have discovered is almost dangerous.

I don't see myself using G2F anymore (once I figure out why bones don't adjust) or need to transfer Genesis morphs to it limited UVs. The only benefit it had - better rigging and toes, - are transferable back to Genesis, new morphs are transferable back to Genesis and rerigged Genesis figure can use G2F autofits with all previous figures and figure UVs, like Michael 4 and Michael 3 (if you have Iconics)
Original Genesis shown an right and left respectively, other two figures are G2F and rerigged Genesis.

Gedd said:

Being able to leverage one's content is a big issue for many people, whether it's skins, clothing, poses... This is very understandable, as is the ability to mix male/female/age etc to create new and unique characters.

I really liked the post someone (forget who now) posted about making children using morphs from the Male/Female parents to create the family resemblance. That is something one couldn't do without Genesis very easily.

The sole exception being Michael 4.

Note that nothing is stopping you from using Victoria 3, Victoria 4, Victoria 5, Victoria 6, and even Victoria 1/2 in the same render.

List of UV sets for Generations 4-6

Q: What is a UV set? And how do I manually change the UV set?
A: Please refer to page 46 of the User Guide for the official explanation

Figure/Character--Default UV
Victoria 4--V4
Aiko 4--V4
Girl 4--V4
Stephanie 4--V4
Michael 4--M4
Hiro 4--M4
Freak 4--M4
The Kids 4--K4

Genesis--V4 (note: Genesis also comes with M4, K4, Genesis Basic Female, and Genesis Basic Male options)
Victoria 5--V5
Hitomi--Hitomi
Michael 5--M5
Stephanie 5--S5
Hiro 5--H5
Freak 5--F5
Justin--V4
Julie--V4
Aiko 5--A5
David 5--D5
Monstrosities, Troll, and some others each have their own UV set as well

Genesis 2 Female--G2F (note: also comes with V5 UVs)
Josie 6 uses the basic G2F UV set, but also comes with Victoria 6 UVs (so that you can use Victoria 6 textures even if you don't own V6 herself)
Each of the other base characters for Genesis 2 Female (listed in the first post) has its own unique UV set.

Genesis 2 Male--G2M (note: also comes with M5 UVs)
Jayden 6 uses the basic G2M UV set, but also comes with Michael 6 UVs (so that you can use Michael 6 textures even if you don't own M6 himself)
Each of the other base characters for Genesis 2 Male (listed in the first post) has its own unique UV set.

Currently, V5 and M5 UVs are compatible with Genesis 2 by default. There are products available that will enable V4 and M4 UVs to be used with Genesis 2. If you wish to use a skin texture that uses another UV, you can try a map transfer (see tutorial here).

For female Genesis characters, there's a list here of which characters use which UV sets.

Product Links

First and Second Generation Figures
Victoria 1
Millennium Girls
Millennium Boys
Stephanie Reduced Resolution Figure (a lower-resolution version of the original Stephanie figure)
(some others not included in this list have been "vaulted" and are no longer available)

Third Generation Figures

Victoria 3.0
Michael 3.0
The FREAK
Stephanie Petite 3.0
David
The Girl
Millennium Kids - Young Teens
Millennium Kids - Preschoolers
Aiko 3.0 (also included in Anime Star Fighter, available free for PC members, free with purchase, or cheap at $6.95)
Hiro 3.0
Millennium Baby 3.0
She-Freak 2 for V3 SAE

Fourth Generation Bases

Victoria 4.2 (base figure)
Aiko 4
Michael 4 (base figure)
Hiro 4
The Girl 4
The Freak 4
The Kids 4 (base figure)
She Freak 4
Stephanie 4 Elite
Reby Sky

Genesis (5th Generation) Bases

DAZ Studio 4.x (Contains Genesis Starter Essentials, including the base Genesis figure)
Victoria 5
Michael 5
Stephanie 5
Hiro 5
Freak 5
Young Teens 5
Aiko 5
David 5

Legacy Shapes for Genesis (allow Genesis to take the appearance of earlier figures)

V4 and M4 Shapes for Genesis
Stephanie 4 for Genesis
Gen 4 Iconic Shapes
Reby Sky for Genesis
Gen 3 Iconic Shapes
David 3 for Genesis

Genesis 2 (6th Generation) Bases

DAZ Studio 4.x (Contains Genesis 2 Starter Essentials, including the base Genesis 2 Female and Genesis 2 Male figures)
Victoria 6
Gia 6
The Girl 6
Teen Josie 6
Olympia 6
Stephanie 6
Giselle 6
Aiko 6
Lilith 6
Mei Lin 6
Belle 6
Keiko 6

Michael 6
Teen Jayden 6
Gianni 6
Lee 6
Brodie 6
Minotaur 6 HD
Reptilian 6 HD

Legacy Shapes for Genesis 2 (allow Genesis 2 to take the shape of earlier figures)

V4 for Genesis 2 Female
M4 for Genesis 2 Male
Gen4 Legacy Shapes for Genesis 2 Female
Gen4 Legacy Shapes for Genesis 2 Male
Gen5 Legacy Shapes for Genesis 2 Female
Gen5 Legacy Shapes for Genesis 2 Male

Other Products Allowing for Increased Compatibility Between Figures
(please see Compatibility Matrix for more information)

Genesis Generation X2
GenX2 AddOn for Genesis 2
GenX AddOn Gen3 Bundle
Genesis 2 Female Clone for Genesis
Genesis 2 Male Clone for Genesis
Generation 5 UV Bundle for Genesis 2 Female
Generation 5 UV Bundle for Genesis 2 Male
Genesis 2 Male and Female Base UVs for Genesis
Victoria 6 and Michael 6 UVs for Genesis
Genesis 2 Cross-Figure Resource Kit

Link to a chart listing popular morphs
The Morph Matrix

DAZ 3D Human Figures - A History

IN THE BEGINNING, there was Poser. First launched in 1995, Poser was (and is) an innovative 3D software package aimed more at artists and hobbyists rather than graphics professionals. Poser was designed for use with poseable humanoid figures, and before long, other companies began to produce and sell figures built for use in Poser, as well as clothing, hair, props, and other Poser content.

DAZ 3D started out as a vendor of Poser content, and to this day most content sold by DAZ 3D is usable in Poser, either natively or via the DSON Importer. Once a division of the Zygote Media Group, DAZ 3D became an independent corporation in 2000.

The Millennium People - Generations 1 and 2

The Millennium Woman (later named Victoria) was first released in 1999. She was derived from the female figure known as Posette that was included in Poser 4 (the first version of the software that supported conforming clothing and transmapped hair). Victoria was widely used, and in 2001 an updated version was released, called Victoria 2. V2 allowed for a greater range of morphs and expressions, but used the same mesh as V1 and could wear V1's hair and clothing.

Because of Victoria's popularity, DAZ 3D created some additional human figures, including Michael 1 (and then Michael 2), Stephanie, the Millennium Girls (preteen and preschool-aged girls), and the Millennium Boys (preteen and preschool-aged boys). Aiko also made her debut in this era, but as a character for the Stephanie figure, rather than a stand-alone figure like the others.

Interestingly, the original Stephanie figure was based on Michael's mesh and could share textures with him, while Victoria could share textures with the kids. Each figure had their own conforming clothing.

Generation 3 - The Unimesh

For the next generation of their humanoid figures, DAZ introduced a technology they called the "Unimesh." Rather than building each figure on a distinct mesh of polygons, they started with a single, androgynous mesh and crafted all their people from it. The advantages of the unimesh included increased compatibility (particularly with regards to textures and morphs) and a streamlined development process. In that sense, it can be considered a precursor of Genesis technology.

The third-generation figures included Victoria 3, Michael 3, Stephanie Petite 3, Luke and Laura (preteens), Matt and Madison (preschoolers), Aiko 3, Hiro 3, David (3), The Freak (3), She Freak (3), and the Millennium Baby 3. Each of these was a stand-alone "base" figure. Victoria 3, the first third-generation person, was released in 2002, and the last of the generation came out in 2005. Another popular figure known as The Girl dates from this era as well; she is not based on the Unimesh, but she is compatible with textures made for Victoria 3.

Also in 2005, DAZ 3D launched the first version of their own 3D software, DAZ Studio. Since then, there has usually been a free version of this application available, presumably in order to create a larger pool of consumers for DAZ 3D's content. Most Poser content created by DAZ 3D and other vendors is usable in DAZ Studio (exceptions include dynamic clothing and hair as well as shaders).

The 4th Generation Figures

For the fourth generation, DAZ 3D opted for separate meshes for male, female, and child characters. There were three base figures: Victoria 4 (first introduced in 2006), Michael 4 (2008), and The Kids 4 (2010). Aiko 4, The Girl 4, Stephanie 4, and She Freak 4 all require the base Victoria figure. Similarly, Hiro 4 and The Freak 4 require Michael 4. A special celebrity character, Reby Sky, was also released for Victoria 4, with similar functionality and support to that of the other 4th Generation iconic characters.

The current version of the Victoria 4 figure is numbered "Victoria 4.2." This figure replaced Victoria 4.1, which in turn replaced Victoria 4.0. Each time the figure was updated, some additional features were added. Victoria 4.2 is often called "V4" for short, and is compatible with all Victoria 4.0 and Victoria 4.1 products. Like her predecessors, Victoria 4 quickly became the most popular 3D model, and remains one of the most commonly-used figures to this day.

Genesis (Generation 5)

In 2011, DAZ Studio 4.0 was released. It included a new base figure called Genesis. Genesis can be morphed into a man, woman, child, or creature, and is compatible with all skin textures made for Victoria 4, Michael 4, and The Kids 4 through a new feature that enables the UV map to be switched. Genesis can also wear clothing made for V4, M4, and K4 through the "AutoFit" function. The figure boasts superior bending capabilities compared to previous figures, and benefits like the fact that all Genesis morphs, clothing, poses etc. can be used by any Genesis character.

With the purchase of various add-on products, the versatility of Genesis increases: it can be morphed into clones of many third-generation and fourth-generation figures and a remarkable variety of different creatures and characters. And all of these shapes can be blended together and mixed with other morphs to create an infinite assortment of unique creations.

Fifth-Generation versions of the Victoria, Michael, Stephanie, Hiro, Freak, Aiko and David characters are Genesis products. Each came with a unique UV set, meaning that (in most cases) a user must own Victoria 5 to apply the skin texture of a character designed for Victoria 5 to the Genesis figure, for instance. Other popular Genesis characters include the Young Teens 5 (Justin and Julie), toon characters like Jasmine and Jason, Hitomi, Troll, and the Monstrosities, to name a few.

Genesis was designed for DAZ Studio 4, and originally was not very compatible with Poser. In 2012, several things happened that improved this situation: updates to the Poser software incorporated some new features that are important for making full use of Genesis, Cliff Bowman released the Genesis To Poser product, containing a tutorial and various scripts that made using Genesis in Poser easier, and DAZ released the DSON Importer, a superior method of getting a more fully-functional Genesis into Poser.

Genesis 2 - Generation 6

With the latest release, DAZ has again gone to separate male and female meshes. While this means that the new Genesis 2 Female and Genesis 2 Male figures can't share morphs with each other (at least not without requiring a conversion process), it does allow for more lifelike human forms and better fitting clothing. The Genesis 2 advances include a more detailed mesh and significantly improved bends and facial expressions. Victoria 6 was the first of the new Genesis 2 characters to be released. Other releases for Genesis 2 Female include Gia 6, The Girl 6, Teen Josie 6, Olympia 6, Stephanie 6, Giselle 6, Aiko 6, Lilith 6, Mei Lin 6, Belle 6, and Keiko 6. The first Genesis 2 Male character to be released was Michael 6, followed by Teen Jayden 6, Gianni 6, Lee 6, Brodie 6, Minotaur 6 HD, and Reptilian 6 HD. Genesis 2 is compatible with DS4.6+, and (via the DSON Importer) Poser 9+.

Genesis 2 can Auto-Fit content made for Genesis 1, and with the Victoria 4 for Genesis 2 add-on, can Auto-Fit Victoria 4 content also. Similarly, with the Michael 4 for Genesis 2 Male product, G2M can Auto-Fit M4 content. However, at least at the present time, morphs made for Genesis 1 or other figures are not supported. Aside from morphs, most content for Genesis 2 Female can be used on Genesis 2 Male, and vice-versa.

Sources
The Digital Artist's Complete History of V5- 3DArtDirect.com
Base Figures - History and Compatibility (posts by Lyrra on the old DAZ3D forum)
What Is the Unimesh? - DAZ3D.com
Compatibility Matrix

See Also:
A DAZ Newbie's Guide to the Figures

Kind of surprised here. In the Michael 4 pic below Michael's wearing a karate gi but parts of his upper thighs, left calve, and underwear are exposed. And in the other pic of Victoria 4 her bra and parts of her forearms sort of melt through the gi. Interesting shape shifting but totally unusable. Any ideas on how to fix this melding effect?

Thanks----B.R.

Proxima Shining said:

Yes, PA´s may support Genesis 1, but what about DAZ? How many updates received Michael 4 and Victoria 4.2 from DAZ company after Genesis was released? They may be both still in store and PA´s are making (lots of) stuff for them, but that´s not the same as if DAZ itself made regular updates and betterments for them.

How many other products in the world get updates? I want an update for my car and television too. All we can expect out of DAZ is that Generations 1 to 5 continue to fully function in their latest version of Studio. All we can go on is past history. I don't see DAZ coming out and making promises, but actions speak louder than word.

icprncss said:

While the PA's keep saying Genesis 1 will continue, I have yet to read that directly from DAZ Corporate. If I missed it somewhere, please show me where it is. And even if they do state that today, there is no saying that a year down the line, they won't turn around and say that for technical reasons we can no longer include Genesis 1 in the content and future versions of DS no longer support it. due to sdk changes.

I would also like to hear a clear statement from a DAZ representative (not admin or PA) whether they will still support Genesis 1, or if it will be dropped at the latest when M6 appears in store (as I guess that till then they will have to support Genesis 1 as the official "male" Genesis companion for Genesis 2 Female. PA´s claim that they see Genesis 1 not as an old, obsolete figure, but just as a *different* figure, as a friend or sibling to Genesis 2, and that there is room for both to exist next to each other at the same time. But does DAZ company see it the same way?

Yes, PA´s may support Genesis 1, but what about DAZ? How many updates received Michael 4 and Victoria 4.2 from DAZ company after Genesis was released? They may be both still in store and PA´s are making (lots of) stuff for them, but that´s not the same as if DAZ itself made regular updates and betterments for them.

CalieVee said:

If it's not too much a bother I would also like to know what was used to make these images. In particular I would like to know what was used in mxstylie's and ps1borg's images. I do not recognize what is in the images, except for the Mammoth.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/ms13-war-mammoth-armor/97355/
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/philodendronb-dr/96822/
http://www.daz3d.com/lisas-botanicals-tall-grass
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/volg-pack-for-m4/72609/
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-4-base-male-3d-model
http://www.daz3d.com/michael-4-morphs
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/terra-sphere-1/98766/
http://www.daz3d.com/rolling-plains-morphing-terrain

I'm working on an Avengers comic. Just for practice, so to speak. Learning to design and pose. I created a Hulk figure just through dial spins, but he's kind of the wrong shape. Sort of bulbous, when he should be smoother. I know the Freak is more the shape I need, but he's a bit expensive just now. I found a combo pack that has Stephanie 3 and the Freak 3 for Genesis. Are these dials like the Michael 4 and Victoria 4 shapes for Genesis?

chsmo said:

Slosh said:

I don't think anyone is supposed to pick Genesis 2 over Genesis. As I see it, Gen2 is just a new figure, just as Victoria 4 was, Michael 4 was, Genesis was. There is room for both Geneses in the runtime.

Some good points and I don't regret my Genesis investment either. But as for you point above, I have to disagree. Sure, we have a choice RIGHT NOW... but next year? The history of Studio updates requiring new Genesis Updates show that unless DAZ is willing to divert their limited resources on "tweaking" an old model, at Some point, they will drop Genesis. They were ready to drop V4 support for Gen2 until a PA came to our rescue.

This means your old Genesis will simply NOT LOAD in a future Studio.

Of course, we can always choose not to upgrade Studio at that point. Who needs those nifty improvements in rendering or speed? It's a matter of time before we are forced to choose between the old Studio with Genesis or the latest Studio without it. And when that time comes, a PA will be unable to save the day.

I really hope it doesn't come to that. Also I really don't see any real reason to release Genesis 2 just yet when all it has is a few tweaks over Genesis. And worst to bust up the all-in-one Genesis (which I repeat is awesome) into separate gender models. Anyhoot if I want a realistic woman then I'll go out and meet a woman, can't get more real than that. BTW online dating is costing us millions http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/online-dating-dupes-people-out-of-millions-20130616-2ocae.html . Maybe they should also add to the article some peoples love affair with Victoria 1 through 6++. LOL. I wonder if we should ask government to pass a bill to allow us to legally marry virtual people? Divorce would definitely be much easier process. CTRL-ALT-DEL.

Slosh said:

I don't think anyone is supposed to pick Genesis 2 over Genesis. As I see it, Gen2 is just a new figure, just as Victoria 4 was, Michael 4 was, Genesis was. There is room for both Geneses in the runtime.

Some good points and I don't regret my Genesis investment either. But as for you point above, I have to disagree. Sure, we have a choice RIGHT NOW... but next year? The history of Studio updates requiring new Genesis Updates show that unless DAZ is willing to divert their limited resources on "tweaking" an old model, at Some point, they will drop Genesis. They were ready to drop V4 support for Gen2 until a PA came to our rescue.

This means your old Genesis will simply NOT LOAD in a future Studio.

Of course, we can always choose not to upgrade Studio at that point. Who needs those nifty improvements in rendering or speed? It's a matter of time before we are forced to choose between the old Studio with Genesis or the latest Studio without it. And when that time comes, a PA will be unable to save the day.

Bobby.Ryan said:

I hate to be asking any stupid questions here (newbee) but is it a given that anything that fits on Victoria 4 will also fit on Victoria 4.2? All of the content I'm looking at specify using V4 and I can't find V4 anywhere.

One more thing. The Michael 4 base and Victoria 4.2 base costs $30 each. I did find something called 'V4 and M4 Shapes for Genesis' and only costs $19.95

(http://www.daz3d.com/v4-and-m4-shapes-for-genesis).

I'm looking at the descriptions and I figure I must be missing something. It wouldn't make sense to sell for $20 what they also sell for $60. Are they leaving anything out with the pair?

Thanks for insight----Bob Ryan.

Victoria 4.2 is a updated version of Victoria 4. Any clothes/hair/ect that says it fits V4 should work fine on the V4.2 figure.

The V4 and M4 shapes for Genesis are just Genesis 1 morphs that change Genesis shape to be the same (very close) to the shape of the stand alone V4.2 figure, but Genesis 1 is a completely different figure than V4. There are no skin textures included in the V4/M4 shape for Genesis. In general most V4 clothes can be autofit to genesis, with some limitations, even when not using the V4 shape for Genesis. Shoes do not autofit very well.

The $30 V4 figure is the base figure with some skin textures. If you want to be able to morph the figure to have different head and body shapes, you need to get the V4.2 morphs++ (http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-2-morphs). Genesis 1 has completely different set of morphs. Some limited Genesis 1 morphs are built in (free), but you really need the Evolution head and body morphs (http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-evolution-morph-bundle). These two sets of morphs are different and can only be used on their base figures, although there is a 3rd party plugin that will translate V4.2++ morphs to genesis morphs.

DAZ has just released the Genesis 2 female (free), which is yet another figure with yet another set of morphs. Genesis 2 also has autofit for Genesis 1 and V4 clothes that works most of the time, with some tweaking.

Update: the V4 base figure only comes with the sample resolution skin. If you are going to buy V4, I would look at Victoria 4.2 Starter Bundle(http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-2-complete). This includes the V4.2 morph++ and the standard resolution skin.

Those are utterly different products. Michael 4 and Victoria 4 are older base figures. V4 and M4 Shapes for Genesis are, as their names suggest, shapes for the newer base figure Genesis. They are only shapes (morphs), to make Genesis look like the two older figures, they have no skins etc., so they naturaly are cheaper.

It depends on what you want to use - if you want to use M4 and V4, buy the two base figures for $30 each. If you want to use Genesis, you can buy V4 and M4 Shapes for Genesis, but you don´t really need them for Genesis to work.

I hate to be asking any stupid questions here (newbee) but is it a given that anything that fits on Victoria 4 will also fit on Victoria 4.2? All of the content I'm looking at specify using V4 and I can't find V4 anywhere.

One more thing. The Michael 4 base and Victoria 4.2 base costs $30 each. I did find something called 'V4 and M4 Shapes for Genesis' and only costs $19.95

(http://www.daz3d.com/v4-and-m4-shapes-for-genesis).

I'm looking at the descriptions and I figure I must be missing something. It wouldn't make sense to sell for $20 what they also sell for $60. Are they leaving anything out with the pair?

Thanks for insight----Bob Ryan.