WolfStar said:

DrunkMonkeyProductions said:

Not to put to fine a point on this, but the user base of studio is microscopic compared to Adobe products.

If Daz shut down tomorrow, there's no amount of "backlash" that's going to change that.

That's not entirely true. Victoria, in her various iterations, is the most widely used 3D model in the world. She appears in movies, advertising, etc. If Victoria were to disappear tomorrow, I think there would be major backlash.

That would be relevant, if eightiesisenough's comparison was the discontinuation of a certain base figure or program, and not the complete cessation of operations.

If daz3d shut down, there's no amount of online complaining that's going to bring it back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DrunkMonkeyProductions said:

Not to put to fine a point on this, but the user base of studio is microscopic compared to Adobe products.

If Daz shut down tomorrow, there's no amount of "backlash" that's going to change that.

That's not entirely true. Victoria, in her various iterations, is the most widely used 3D model in the world. She appears in movies, advertising, etc. If Victoria were to disappear tomorrow, I think there would be major backlash.

Masterstroke said:
No matter, if you are on IRAY or 3delight, we're in the same boat. We are about to loose our hobby in the near future.

I don't think we need to worry about losing it. Only that it will become unaffordable. I've been using DAZ since the days of Michael 3 and Victoria 3. But ever since Genesis came out, it's becoming more and more of a money pit. I mean practically every year they release a new version of the Genesis characters, which means content creators have less time to create accessories for the characters before they move on to the latest generation. Which means less content available for each generation and forced upgrades to new generations, etc.

Just look at Genesis 8, for example. There are accessories and morphs for Genesis 8 that are not compatible with Genesis 8.1. And accessories and morphs for Genesis 8.1 that are not compatible with Genesis 8.

I've been working with DAZ Studio for some years, but only from the outside of the user interface. I'm still a noob about understanding what's going on inside.

From what I've read, when I add a figure to my workspace, Studio loads the basic datasets for that figure, mesh, bones, textures. Then I might move a parameter slider to morph the figure into a character, Victoria for example. The moment I alter the morph value away from zero is when the morph data is loaded and added to the other datasets for my figure. Every morph I touch will load more data into my workspace.

As I shape the figure into the character I seek, I may end up combining ten morphs to face and body. I may also tweak thirty-odd other morphs as I hunt for the effect I want by trial-and-error, and reject them by setting them back to zero. If I understand correctly, the data to enable all these rejected morphs is still loaded into my character, but producing zero effect.

If this is true, is there a way to clear out the unused morph data and lighten the loads in my workspace and filespace? If the answer is in one of the many nuts-and-bolts entries in a chain of drop-down menus, I haven't identified it yet. I appreciate the help and thanks for reading.

Hallelujah!
Disciple

Tag: Totte#03 

 

#2667 Bernedette Hair for Genesis 8 Female(s) (#59119)
#192 FW Savannah HD for Victoria 6 (#21487)    
#4788    Susie's Rags V4, A4 & G4 (Rendo)
#932 Classic Trenchcoat for Genesis 3 Male(s) (#23381)
LB1: #4486 POWERTOWN (Rendo)    
LB2: #2265 Speed Jet (#52051)

Also Used:
Liquid Halo Remix
LY Emily + WorkBoots + Esidor Hair
Gwenbeiz with Hair for Genesis 3 males + Everyday Drinks
LY Keiran HD 8.1 + Skate Queen + Dance  Poses 
City Bus
LowPi Bundle

Scripts, Lights and Shaders used:
RSSY 3Delight2Iray
Platinum Pack 1
UHT2 Ultra Salon 
    

Anti gravity flight

Tech investor Senan O'Dugan convinced the city council to allow his self flying personal airspeeder based on his revolutionary anti gravity system, to be allowed in the city traffic.  The problem was that the anti gravity field wreaked havoc on peoples hair.

 

Pull #3

#2667 Bernedette Hair for Genesis 8 Female(s) (#59119)
#192 FW Savannah HD for Victoria 6 (#21487)    
#4788    Susie's Rags V4, A4 & G4 (Rendo)
#932 Classic Trenchcoat for Genesis 3 Male(s) (#23381)
LB1: #4486 POWERTOWN (Rendo)    
LB2: #2265 Speed Jet (#52051)

tag: luci45 #3
Pumpkinhead Security
The Reilly Brothers Security and Surveillance Solutions Systems contracted the AI Pumpkinheads to create the ultimate home protection system. They were amazed but skeptical when the Pumpkinheads revealed their reducing machine, the best solution for neutralizing potential threats.

691 Capsces Poses Brodie 6
4859 StarView
5346 The Waiting Room
1871 Garden Variety Jack
1411 Eclectic Hair for Genesis 3 Female(s)

also used:
FSL Rigged and Morphing Deep Magics Iray
Ethereal VDB FX
New York Essence for G3F
Victoria 7
Fraser Hair
Timothy HD for Michael 6
Jarek for M6
SRB 800 + SRB 800: Honor
Doctor's Coat and Suit for Genesis 2 Male(s)
Eldritch Seeker G2M
Jack Pumpkin Poses

(Actually, Genesis 4 existed, but something went terribly wrong and it's been locked up in an attic ever since.  Everyone at DAZ pretends it never happened, but there's a Victoria sister whose name they changed to... Dooonese:

 

 

It was commented on at the time and since, but it was done for a simple reason - people got confused that the named figures didn't match the Genesis numbers (e.g. Victoria 5 for Genesis, Victoria 6 for Genesis 2, Victoria 7 for Genesis 3) so the numbers were brought into alignment.

https://www.daz3d.com/flowering-hebe-bushes

It's really nice to see some NZ natives in the Daz store but I must take issue with their description. Hebes are native to New Zealand (around 88 species), one in Rapa Nui (Easter Island), and one in South America. The Hebe species were not placed in the Veronica genus until the 21st century, some 150 years after the marriage of Queen Victoria (who, by the way, carried a small posy of snowdrops, no veronica or hebe). Thus I call BS on the description in the store, we Kiwis DO NOT like our bits and bobs being usurped by other countries (just look up the war about the pavlova and the flat white), our flora and fauna mislabeled, our rock bands called Australian, our racehorses pinched, et al. When you are from a tiny country pimple on the big earth pumpkin, it behoves you as a pimple citizen to make sure the big pumpkin people get it right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_sect._Hebe

Is there a DMV?  I want to register all the cars I got and give Victoria 9 her license!

nightwolf1982 said:

OP might try Wear Them All:

Wear Them All - Autofitting Clones and Clothing Smoothers for Genesis 3 Male(s) | Daz 3D

Wear Them All - Autofitting Clones and Clothing Smoothers for Genesis 3 Female(s) | Daz 3D

Wear Them All - Autofit Clones Expansion for Genesis 3 Male(s) and Genesis 3 Female(s) | Daz 3D

You can at least get the generation 3 and 4 clothing fitted to G3, then re-fit them to G8/G9

Assuming they don't shatter.  One of the big problems with transfering the Victoria 3 generation clothing to Genesis was that the joins between the origianl pieces of clothing weren't welded together strongly enogh to handle the dynamic stresses of trying to follow the level of morphing that the genesis products requiered.  Believe me, I spent a lot of time back then trying to fit all my favorite old V3 generation oufits on Genesis characters and a hefty percentage of them just didn't work very well... at least, not without taking them into a modeling program like hexagon to redo the seams, as a number of the more advanced users were doing back in those days..  

richardandtracy said:

Yeah, I agree. I have tried, but GV3 doesn't seem to transfer well from Gen3 with GenX2.

I did it many years ago and as I recall the trick was to make a GenX clone of the base Victoria 3 and then a seperate Genx clone of the full Glamous Vicki verson, then remix the resulting morphs along with the commecial V3 to Genesis clone on the target figure.... a lot of tweeaking and side by side comparisons.  That said, the issue I mainly recall running into was that the old V3 clothing wasn't built to genesis specs and had a tendency to come apart at the seems when autofitted.  

Hylas said:

myotherworld said:

that really works

Are you not happy with the Riversoft/Sickleyield ones?

https://www.daz3d.com/rssy-clothing-converter-from-victoria-4-to-genesis-8-female

https://www.daz3d.com/rssy-clothing-converter-from-michael-4-to-genesis-8-male

I own them but admittedly I don't think I've had the time to try them.

These two converters are practically useless for me. I always have to force the conversion because "Convert Files" does absolutely nothing, and the result is almost always distorted, resembling the Michelin Man.

It's a mystery to me why these products are still being sold in the shop.

 

namffuak said:

Well - first coupon gets me an additional 50% off up to 5 items on my filtered wishlist, or up to 20 if I include a new item. My filtered wishlist has zero qualifying items. Then there's the 'Explosive' items - get one free with coupon or up to three free with a new item. AND - I already own all six.

<yawn> - bed time. I'll flip a coin when I get up - heads I'll log in and see if there's anything of interest

Not to mention that the Fuse new items are a pretty meh bunch to chose from, so to qualify for the 20% off I'd have to buy a couple of items I really have no need for.  For a really good discount I might go for the subway, except I already have four or five abandoned subway sets* (as a lot of DAZ and Rendo vendors seem happy to just make variations on things already in the stores), and the combined discounts, including 8 tokens, is still less of a discount than I was getting just a month ago where the average item in my carts was pushing 90% off, and it's inevitable that the DAZ marketing team will resort to the uber steep discounts again in the near future so I'm happy to be patien  Whatever, I've gotten quite used to promotional categories being entirely empty, as today's kablamo offer is, due to having previously bought them all, or if not empty then the remaining selection is entirely filled with stuff I've passed on a zillion times like old expression packs, bundles where I already own all the individual items, and ancient stuff from the days of victoria 2, though lately, of course, I also have to filter out all of the items that I've previously bought at Renderosity.  When we're here at the end of the month and I still haven't used my premier $10 off coupon, you know that a month's sale and new item selection has been incredibly lackluster.  

 

* plus it doesn't have safety railings on the stairway, which always feels llike pure laziness on the part of the PA.  

Neither [Victoria 4 nor Michael 4] will load into the [Alpha Version] scene at all. I've tried double clicking, merging into scene etc.  Re installed.  Not working.  Weirdly, Aiko 3 works just fine

Testing out some V4 stuff I bought, thought I would try and see how far I could push the legacy releases:

I used:
 
Victoria 4.2 Base https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-2-base
 
Flight Suit https://www.daz3d.com/flightsuit
 
Chic Boots https://www.daz3d.com/chic-boots-for-v4-a4
 
Gear Headset https://www.daz3d.com/gearheadset-for-victoria-4
 
And A rooftop HDRI from Poly Haven

The “Introducing Genesis 9” page really needs some work.

Michael 9’s introduction includes the “Michael 9 HD Fantasy Mega Bundle,” which is marked as Inactive and leads to an “Oops!” page. It would be a good idea to update that.

Meanwhile, Victoria 9’s introduction includes the text “Get the Victoria 9 HD Intro Bundle today!” That’s the literal name of a product listed right below, which is also marked as Inactive and leads to an “Oops!” page. It would be a really good idea to replace both the item and the text with something that people can actually buy.

Finally, the “Shop all Genesis 9” banner prominently links to ten “Inactive” items. They should really be replaced with currently available items, because that level of neglect on one of the site’s most prominent pages is going to turn off potential customers. If it had looked like that a year ago when I was getting ready to join, I might not have. I definitely don’t regret joining, but I would have been hesitant to commit to something that looked like it might be unmaintained and possibly on the verge of breaking down.

Testing out some V4 stuff I bought, thought I would try and see how far I could push the legacy releases:

 

I used:

 

Victoria 4.2 Base https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-2-base

 

Flight Suit https://www.daz3d.com/flightsuit

 

Chic Boots https://www.daz3d.com/chic-boots-for-v4-a4

 

Gear Headset https://www.daz3d.com/gearheadset-for-victoria-4

 

And A rooftop HDRI from Poly Haven

It's not that hard. Just have to make reasonable compromises as to the information that's lost. The same sort of thing happens when you convert a G8/9 pose to a Victoria 3/4 character. They have a single abdomen bone and a single chest bone. That means there is a combination and loss of information, and with the V3 buttock bone, some information from the G8/9 Pelvis bone has to be split between the V3 buttocks too. However, it works reasonably well if the programmer is sensible about how the pose information is interpreted. Regards, Richard