It doesn't matter what they are or where in the scenme, all that matters (with a few exceptions, such as Flipped Normals content or the old Anne Marie Goddard Digital Clone for Victoria 3) is whether they are 2D renders (single images or animations) or actual 3D data rendered on the machine playing the game.

This was covered in the big Genesis 9 thread https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591351/genesis-9-coming-soon-preorder-victoria-9-hd-today#latest

Huh. Another name-and-number male character, just over a week after the last one. And another elfy one. What, were they just sitting on all or them or something?

Seems perfectly decent, but I don't feel a huge urge to pick him up at the moment. Although he does have an extra discount for Daz+ members because of the anniversary sale, but still.

His HD seems to do less in the face than Assassin's -- he is younger-presenting -- and slightly more in the body. He gets perky nipples! (Seriously, that's one of his promo images. Standard definition: Flat chest, no nipples. HD chest: hello sailor! or fellow elf or whoever.)

Torian reminds me of someone -- an actor, I think -- but I can't put my finger on who, exactly.

I wonder if it's going to be like this the entire month up until Victoria 9 appears. (And for the male characters, until Michael 9 appears.) All the backloaded characters come out to play, or something.

There is already a thread  (two threads, in fact) for Genesis/Victoria 9.

Richard Haseltine said:

nonesuch00 said:

I'm thinking from that Saturday presentation that he said with the high polygon count at base and the changes made to autofit that old clothing will autofit much better.

I was going through today ( 29  Sep 20 22) and looking at products on offer with the 77% off coupon and I have to tell you, sorry, dForce clothing without nice dForce simulation presets to get nice drapes,, with wrinkles and folds, is not working. It would work, maybe, actually has worked, if the clothing is draped and then that set as a preset(s), but this business of dForce clothing with no dForce simulations with nice draping, no. It looks like they are wearing paperdoll clothes.

I don't follow what you are saying, and don't see any connection to Genesis 9.

You did not see the presentation where he stated there are new options with Victoria 9 * autofit?  There is now a baggy option in autofit. The higher polygon count allows for better weightmaps and better calculations for draping the clothing and avoiding pokethrough is what it sound like to me he said. Those improvements should help old style clothing like Genesis 1's fit better shouldn't it?

As far as dForce clothing it looks like cutout paper doll clothing far too often,except for some outfits that have been simulated multiple times with a morph preset saved for each simulation (those usually look OK). That technology is also valid for Genesis 9 and Victoria 9, so it's connected to this thread in that way. 

I'm still waiting for the bundle FAQ.  There's been info about V9 HD features but that's not what I'm looking for.  So far all I've seen is a vague statement that in addition to Victoria 9 HD the bundle will include "poses, expressions, outfits, hair, and more." That is not enough information to make me spend nearly $80 on a pig in a poke.

If others are waiting on more information before pre-ordering the  Victoria 9 HD Bundle, what would you like to know?  I'm asking specifically about pre-ordering the Bundle now rather than later.

If you have pre-ordered the bundle then what are you expecting?  ("I just wanted it" is a perfectly valid answer)

For example, before I would pre-order the bundle I'd need to know:

- what's actually in the pre-order bundle (images would be best but even descriptions would be something),
  - what kind of poses?  Sitting?  Running?  Standing?  Super Hero?   Boudoir?  Riverdance?
  - expressions? Well, you get a pass here because I expect it to be a collection of generic expressions.
  - what kind of outfits?  More bikinis that look like underwear?  blouse/pants style outfits?  long dress?  short dress?  fantasy armor that looks like it was designed by Frederick's of Hollywood?  business attire?  Flats?  or high heels only?
  - what kind of hair?  Razor-girl?  ponytail?  1980's big hair styles?  short bob?  mohawk?  shaved?  straight?  curly?

- is the HD pre-order bundle replacing the "Pro" bundle or will "Starter" and "Pro" bundles come later, (maybe a Mega-Bundle?)

- will buying the pre-order HD bundle get us a better price than available on launch day?

- what about the super discounts on other items that we'd normally get if we bought the "Pro" bundle on release day?  Will we still get those?

Oddly, the last three questions are the most influential.

Theer is already an extensive thread on Genesis 9, including compatibility (not directly for poses or maps, though converters are being worked on, but there will be an AutoFit clone for at least the previous generation).

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591351/genesis-9-coming-soon-preorder-victoria-9-hd-today#latest

outrider42 said:

I don't understand why people instantly think G9 is going to crush their PC. And I equally don't understand why people would want to hold back progress for everybody else because they have a potato PC. Especially after it has been mentioned numerous times how easy it is to make this stuff work on a potato PC just in case it doesn't.

If you played video games, a 10 year PC would be even more screwed than it is for Daz. Modern games especially will not even start on a 2GB GPU from 2012. Meanwhile, you can use a CPU to render Iray if you run out of VRAM.

Technology moves forward. But that said, I don't think Genesis 9 is that radical of a leap to be so scared about. Are we really going to cry about a high quality texture? Are we really going to be terrified of a texture which can be reduced in size in less than 2 minutes? It will take less than 2 minutes to resize every Victoria 9 texture. And I am being extremely generous. Most of that time is you locating the folder. You then highlight all the textures. You then right click on your mouse. I am sure most of you know how to right click, right? Then in that menu you select the image resizer. You then select 'custom' and select the exact size you desire. The custom setting also lets you select the quality. You can lower the quality to reduce the image data size even more. You can click on the resizer settings to select whether you want to save new textures or replace the old ones completely. Once this is set, you can click accept. Then in about 10 seconds (and I say 10 only because I assume your PC must be slow), you will have replaced every single texture you had highlighted in Victoria 9's folder.

Does that sound impossible? Is that really so hard? I did this for several years myself when I started with Daz Studio. It was part of my routine. And this is not the only option. Again, it has been pointed out numerous times.

Today I find myself trying to upscale textures more than anything else. Especially environments. I am finding that many Daz environments seem to have very compressed textures. The texture might be 4K, but it is compressed to a ridiculous extreme. It really is getting on my nerves. I try to use AI image upscalers to enhance these poor quality textures. Sometimes it works. Sometimes the AI upscaling looks terrible. The point here is that is WAY WAY easier to downsize textures and compress them than it is to increase their quality. You cannot magically enhance a texture to save it. That is why it is so important to have good quality textures from the start. A good quality texture gives you options, and you can downsize easily if needed. A low quality texture doesn't give you many options.

You can reach a point of diminishing returns. That is true. But I see plenty of room for improvement in a lot of stuff I see. A good example are the ethnic textures that Daz gave us for 8.1 a while back. While this was a nice gesture, the textures themselves have been reduced in quality. As many of you probably know the textures come from past Genesis characters. The African skin is just Monique 7. I compared the original Monique textures to the 8.1 textures Daz gave us and the originals are better. I don't know if the conversion process caused this loss of detail, since Monique was a unique UV all of her textures needed to be converted, not just the "head" torso texture. But more than that, I can see a lot more compression in the new textures. So it appears to me they used a lower quality setting on the JPG when they made them. I really hope the Genesis 9 ethnic textures they are including are not as compressed. I am quite worried they will be.

Viva la potato PC's. I don't think I have a potato PC I know it's older now by today's newer stuff byt it wasn't when I built it LOL. I have a an i7 8700 six core,32 gig DDR4 RAM, (2) 1TB harddisks, EVGA SuperNova G3 80 plus gold modular PSU, and a, still going strong) GTX 1060 6 gig card. I don't render large, complex scenes so maybe I can bump up my graphics card. All I want to know is will my current system use the G9 if I chose to jump on it. I'm in this for fun and for those days I some mental relief LOL.  

Thre is already some discussion of thios in the main threads

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591351/genesis-9-coming-soon-preorder-victoria-9-hd-today#latest
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/590046/the-big-announcement-on-september-21-2022-place-your-bets#latest

Mine was Victoria 8.1 until the release of Victoria 9 and now Victoria 9 is. It's nothing to do with their "looks" but more the obvious improvements in the model's technical qualities.

The females have been much improved with less emphasis on the prior perfect 6' runway models. I think my favorite 3D female model, among the realistic ones, is Brooke, the Manhattan Socialite. She is very nicely done. 

Thanks for your thoughts, @Cybersox.

I agree, that it is too early to judge if Victoria 9 is really better,

but in the preview video was the comparison of the same expressions applied

to Genesis 8.1 and Genesis 9 / Victoria 9.

The look of G9/V9 expressions was much better than on previous generation, IMHO.

V3 ... male 

I use a lot Victoria 7

Artini said:

As a matter of expressions, Victoria 9 looks best for me.

 

The problem is that all we've seen so far is a small handful of examples under a very limited set of cirumstances with a single character morph, and all that came with the repeated proviso that it wasn't a final version and what we might ultimately get could change.  If you'll recall, for all the advertising hulabaloo about the improved use of facial bones over G3, the G8 figures in general have a well noted problem with smiles that break oddly in the middle, yet some vendors like bluejaunte were able to create extremely pleasant smiles using custom morphs.  Will the demoed expressions work as well on other characters as well as they seem to work on V9 specifically?  In the end, no one really knows how much better, if any, G9/V9 is going to do things versus the other generations except for the PAs who are already working with her, and they're no doubt buried under a stack of NDAs.  Which means that until it's actually out there and in the hands of people, it's premature to really say anything about how good or bad it will really be.  And, of course, there's also the little issue of there being nowhere near the variety of expression packs available for G9 as folks are already likely to have for the other generations for a good length of time...   

Now, on the positive side, I do have to note that for the last few years DAZ has been doing a rather poor job of showing off what new products look like in their promo images.  No, let's amend that statement to "a spectacularly bad job," as in some of the promo images for base characters being so horrible that one wonders who in the world could have thought those images were good promotions for the product.  And yet, quite often even the very first test renders by artists on this side of forums have been better by orders of magnitude, so it's certainly possible that G9/V9 will look much better once it's handled by some of the better artists.     

Leana said:

Gordig said:

although there were a few 8.1s released before Victoria

Victoria and Michael 8.1 were the first 8.1 figures released.

Yes, Victoria has always been the first female release of any generation of Genesis and I believe, not 100%, Michael is the first male.

As a matter of expressions, Victoria 9 looks best for me.

Gordig said:

although there were a few 8.1s released before Victoria

Victoria and Michael 8.1 were the first 8.1 figures released.

Gordig said:

outrider42 said:

"HD" is just a label. Sure it defines the morphs above base resolution, but I don't see other software calling it that. It is just a subdivided mesh. It is nothing special in other software because those software tend to allow everyone to be able to sculpt at high subdivision.

I would imagine that, to the extent that HD has a set meaning in other software, it's mostly to distinguish from low-poly models.

Yes, but it is still just a label. And in other software, it is also just a label. When it comes to TVs, we had HD years ago. Now we have 4K Ultra HD. I am surprised Daz hasn't tried advertising their morphs as "Ultra HD" yet. May as well. It has to be better than regular old HD, right? HD is so 2000's, LOL. It is time to upgrade!

I just remembered Duskrider said he thinks they will still use the PBR Skin shader. That is quite possible, I doubt Daz would reverse course on that now. But maybe this is where the new 4.21 comes into play. Maybe they tweaked that shader to PBR Skin 2.0 or something. I do think the 8K texture maps will replace the tiling. They may still have a tiling version for people who don't want to use the 8K maps. This would be fine, it would give people the OPTION. And indeed Jay said in the video that the 8K maps were optional. To me that implies there must be an alternative, and that alternative is probably the tiled textures.

I think some people are forgetting about the tiling detail maps. Those may very well be part of Victoria 9, and that would save data for those that need every byte they can get. Of course...we don't have any official word on that. It sure would be great if Daz could communicate with their customers about these things. With all of the people freaking out over 8K textures, now would be a very good time to clarify something like that. If tiling is an option on Victoria 9, that would maybe help calm some nerves of people who are morbidly afraid of large textures. 

18 - Basic Test for Conforming and Morphing

Can test to see if the transfer utility worked. 

Does the skirt morph if the Basic Female is dialed to 0?  Yes.

Does the skirt morph if an unrelated morph is used like Victoria 5?  Yes.

Does the skirt conform if the legs are posed?  Yes.

Hi gang!

Last time I vented, and mentioned as such, I scared the artist in question and we can't have that. So a review it is. I really think it's a shame that Daz3D doesn't provide any option for reviews below their products, IMO a seriously missed opportunitty. Anyway, I can respect them not doing so and in return I hope they can respect my wishes for still wanting to express myself. In full honesty: if not then I can totally understand. Still... so far, so good ;)

Georgia for Victoria 7

(please read my full review?)

So I'm going to be totally honest with you lot...  What a horrendous figure! Those lips shout "botox" to me, did she do something to her ears too? I'm not sure but.. omg, I dunno but really. And then of course the hips. Did she get lipo-waist suction or something to make that happen? What a fake!

And what a beauty!

Apologies for what may seem like a confusing review but the above is my personal opinion when looking at Georgia as a character. See, my artistic opinion though doesn't necessarily meet that of my own, despite that maybe sounding crazy (watch me no care). But I'm serious: when looking at Georgia as a character my first impression is to turn around, move away and stay clear; she looks fake as heck to me.

But ...  doesn't that emotional reaction of mine tell us something? I dunno about you but I bought this critter almost right away after, especially when I discovered the awesome discount Daz has applied (at the time of writing!). Because if 'she' manages to trigger this kind of first response in me then surely it's safe to assume that she'll trigger other reactions as well?  I'm a male, and there have been several well known female popstars who I'd rather steer WAAAY clear from whereas some friends of mine considered her the hottest fem ever.

Instead of doubting myself I realized the obvious.

And at the risk of taking this a wee bit overboard but I'd also like to mention that the artist put attention to every bit of detail, including genetalia.

Which then leads us to her birthmarks... and one rather specifically placed and hard to miss (even on the product page). And if there's anything I learned from my girlfriend then... well...  it only makes Georgia so much more believable for me. Because sometimes appearances are a big deal (I myself don't care all that much) and from that perspective I can suddenly understand why Georgia would have "botox lips" (= my impression!) because... maybe she tried too hard (?) to compensate other areas?

And now we suddenly have a character with some depth in her non-existing storyline.

Which makes her a perfect character for me!

Each to their own but... from my POV you are missing out without Georgia.

Heck... she even brings me back to my teens... oh dear.. "The Five"?  a group of teens who wanted to be dectetives and there was this one girl called Georgina who hated her name, was also a bit of a tomboy, and wanted to be called George. Yah, I had a teenage crush on her for sure :)

Oh well..  Either way: if you're looking for a female character... one with full mats.. then this is a real big steal at the time of writing.

Genesis 3, yes, true enough, but ... seriously?  Who cares?!!  I still manage to make appealing and sometimes a wee bit arousing renders with Genesis. The very first? Old doesn't imply obsolete and Genesis 3rd gen is very capable.

Thanks for reading, I hope this could be useful for some of you!

PS

This is the second time I've done this and well: for the record: I will never lower myself to complain in a review about products, unless... something went really completely overboard. Thing is: I once (!) requested a refund from Daz while I was even unsure it was possible. I've been using Daz for well over 8 years. Next moment I have store credits!! And they're long used ;)  My point: I believe in "if you don't have anything nice to say, then maybe don't say a thing at all?", unless of course.. context.

kyoto kid said:

As to Vicky4, yeah, she was around for something like 5 years before Genesis appeared, and for the longest time, was the only Daz female figure other than the more stylised Girl, Aiko3 and  Sadie which were still regularly supported (I still have a soft spot for A3 and keep snatching up clothing and hair content for her when it's on a closeout sale). Later on Aiko 4 appeared followed by Girl4, and finally, Stephanie 4 all of which based on what was referred to as the core Vicky "unimesh" but each being more distinct in overall physique (though Aiko4 lost a fair degree of that anime look which made her Gen 3 counterpart so adorable).

The thing to remember is that Vickie 3 and 4 were really the equivalents of the Genesis 1-8.5 base figures, whereas Vickie 5 and up are simply characters that use the various Genesis Female bases as a starting point and really only exist to trade on the Victoria name.  Comparing Gen 4 Victoria to any of Genesis generation Vickies is therefore very much an apples and oranges situation.