Just to correct a misunderstanding that is going around:

The Genesis 9 texture maps are NOT 8K they are 4K except for the nail maps which are 1K.  The skin DETAIL maps are up to 8K.  Arms, legs, body and head detail maps are each 8K.  The male and female genital maps are 4K and the nail details are only 1K.  The detail maps are optional and do not load by default.

 

 

This is for Genesis 9 base.  I dont know if Victoria 9 will have 8K skin maps or not

Paintbox said:

Flameburst said:

3DRT said:

Curious to know what everyone thinks of Genesis 9 vs Metahuman in terms of realism. Personally I prefer the skin and hair of Metahuman but the geometry of G9 looks better (at a cursory glance at least). I really hope we get some improvements to the base skin shader in DAZ. 8K textures is nice but all the pores in the world won't fix plastic-looking skin. 

I personally prefer daz in terms of shader work etc. You can't really compare a real time render engine with a off line render engine like Iray. Iray is slower and can calculate better results. The thing with some of daz model is that they try to make the faces too perfect sometimes and steer away from symmetry which causes a drop in believeability and realism but lately their stuff is looking better and better

As someone who has spent a lot of time in the realism thread, Victoria 9 still falls in the either the waxy/plastic look typical of Daz Renders. The SSS is not as advanced as other human solutions out there (check out the realism thread for more references and in-depth talk)

So while the geometry and skin itself is really good what Jay showed, the render still lags behind on the hidden elephant in the room which is uncanny skin rendering where something is "off"

Yes true.

If you zoom into V9's skin in the promo renders, the sss looks off because it looks like the bump maps are too strong  or the SSS is not strong enough. It does look scratchy and plasticy. What I meant was that Iray would be a better render engine than Unreal 5 because it's not realtime. So being an offline render engine it gets better results, anti aliasing and smoothing whereas the SSS does need more work. Be nice to get results closer to Arnold render engine where its uses a "random walk" method to calculate realistic distribiution of light through the skin

Richard Haseltine said:

Havos said:

Pendraia said:

PrefoX said:

3DRT said:

The new figure looks good, but I'm disappointed by the lack of backwards compatiblity (legacy UV's, morph and pose converters etc) Until there's a tool that allows me to port over my large library of G8 characters, I don't think I'll be investing much into G9.

you can only make bigger improvements without backwards compatibility. its pretty much impossible to autoconvert UV maps, morphs are going to be hard because its a complete different mesh and morphs are targerted to specific vertices. DAZ has put a ton of work into gen9, it is a huge leap and that will pay out in the end.

Alternate maps are possible with genesis. The original genesis had alternate maps for Millenium 3 and 4 figures. It can be done but most likely as a pa product. Daz released the original genesis with millenium 4 mapping included but they haven't done it since.

The original Genesis had UVs for the Millenium 4 figures, but not the Millenium 3 figures. This was because the base Genesis UV was fairly close to the M4/V4 ones. M3/V3 UVs were completely different.

Depending on how close the arm and leg loops of G9 are to those of G8 then in theory G9 could be given a UV set allowing it to use Genesis 3/8 skins. However if those loops are a long way off, that is not going to look good. In that case something like Cayman's legacy UV products that use geografts will be needed.

Victoria 4, Genesis, and Genesis 2 had the same surface grouping. Genesis 3 and 8 also shared a different surface grouping. Genesis 9 has a ne grouping. When the grouping chnages it is not possible to simply remap the model to take older textures - they either need to be baked to new maps or something like the GeoGrafts used in recent tools need to be added to accomodate the overlaps..

Thanks for the info Richard...

Flameburst said:

3DRT said:

Curious to know what everyone thinks of Genesis 9 vs Metahuman in terms of realism. Personally I prefer the skin and hair of Metahuman but the geometry of G9 looks better (at a cursory glance at least). I really hope we get some improvements to the base skin shader in DAZ. 8K textures is nice but all the pores in the world won't fix plastic-looking skin. 

I personally prefer daz in terms of shader work etc. You can't really compare a real time render engine with a off line render engine like Iray. Iray is slower and can calculate better results. The thing with some of daz model is that they try to make the faces too perfect sometimes and steer away from symmetry which causes a drop in believeability and realism but lately their stuff is looking better and better

As someone who has spent a lot of time in the realism thread, Victoria 9 still falls in the either the waxy/plastic look typical of Daz Renders. The SSS is not as advanced as other human solutions out there (check out the realism thread for more references and in-depth talk)

So while the geometry and skin itself is really good what Jay showed, the render still lags behind on the hidden elephant in the room which is uncanny skin rendering where something is "off"

Richard Haseltine said:

alexhcowley said:

Like many others, I'm not spending almost $80 on something without knowing what I'm buying. 

The four ethnic groups feature looks interesting to me since I would like to combine the Hispanic facial features with a Black African skin tone. I wonder if this will be possible?

Cheers,

Alex. 

My understanding was that those were part of Genesis 9, not Victoria 9, and so would be free if they were  in Starter Essentials (though it did look as if Jay also had the, presumably non-free, morph packs so we can't take that as read)

That was my thoughts also. I'm not spending yet on Vicki as I want the base morphs before I worry about buying specific characters and I like the look of the ethnic maps.

I went ahead and bought the bundle.  I skipped Genesis 8 and 8.1, I have a few characters here and there but don't use them.

I like the fact that they come with HD morphs - it's about time!  Victoria 4 was released 16 years ago with slightly more vertices than Genesis 8 Female!  That was before Nvidia 8 series cards!!!  The difference in compute power from the top of the line 8 series card of 2006 to a basic 3060 is astonishing.  On the cost, I'd argue it (HD) really shouldn't be an upcharge at this point, it should be a given.

You can always turn details off, however you can't add more.

Free item with Victoria 9 or 9 HD, though the price is affected by inflation and probably not compatible with Carrara yet.

Masterstroke said:

Victoria 9 promos remind me so much of actress Juliene Moore.
Julianne Moore – Google Suche

She did to me too. Unfortunately, I never liked the look of Juliene Moore. LOL But, the world contains all kinds and I like my library to as well ;).

ColinFrench

Genesis 9 will be free like Genesis 8, Genesis 3 etc..
60$ is for Victoria 9.. a new character for Genesis 9 figure (like Victoria 8 was for Genesis 8)

You can not buy Vicotria 9 and use Genesis 9 anyway

Richard Haseltine said:

alexhcowley said:

Like many others, I'm not spending almost $80 on something without knowing what I'm buying. 

The four ethnic groups feature looks interesting to me since I would like to combine the Hispanic facial features with a Black African skin tone. I wonder if this will be possible?

Cheers,

Alex. 

My understanding was that those were part of Genesis 9, not Victoria 9, and so would be free if they were  in Starter Essentials (though it did look as if Jay also had the, presumably non-free, morph packs so we can't take that as read)

This is more or less what I thought. Roll on mid-October.

Cheers,

Alex.  

Havos said:

Pendraia said:

PrefoX said:

3DRT said:

The new figure looks good, but I'm disappointed by the lack of backwards compatiblity (legacy UV's, morph and pose converters etc) Until there's a tool that allows me to port over my large library of G8 characters, I don't think I'll be investing much into G9.

you can only make bigger improvements without backwards compatibility. its pretty much impossible to autoconvert UV maps, morphs are going to be hard because its a complete different mesh and morphs are targerted to specific vertices. DAZ has put a ton of work into gen9, it is a huge leap and that will pay out in the end.

Alternate maps are possible with genesis. The original genesis had alternate maps for Millenium 3 and 4 figures. It can be done but most likely as a pa product. Daz released the original genesis with millenium 4 mapping included but they haven't done it since.

The original Genesis had UVs for the Millenium 4 figures, but not the Millenium 3 figures. This was because the base Genesis UV was fairly close to the M4/V4 ones. M3/V3 UVs were completely different.

Depending on how close the arm and leg loops of G9 are to those of G8 then in theory G9 could be given a UV set allowing it to use Genesis 3/8 skins. However if those loops are a long way off, that is not going to look good. In that case something like Cayman's legacy UV products that use geografts will be needed.

Victoria 4, Genesis, and Genesis 2 had the same surface grouping. Genesis 3 and 8 also shared a different surface grouping. Genesis 9 has a ne grouping. When the grouping chnages it is not possible to simply remap the model to take older textures - they either need to be baked to new maps or something like the GeoGrafts used in recent tools need to be added to accomodate the overlaps..

ravvenkitsune said:

Have they said anything about HD being a normal part of models from now on? I notice that the Victoria 9 model is a HD version, which is great because I've always hated them selling the models with a separate HD addon - just charge what you want to charge, don't make it seem less expensive by doing that. I'm still not planning on purchasing much of the new stuff just because I have SO much money invested in G8/8.1, but making the HD model the norm would be a very welcome change.

Yes, there seems to be no separate HD add-on anymore. It was presented as one of the highlights that HD morphs will be part of the base package. However, this is also reflected in the Genesis 9 pricing. But base price for Victoria 9 is still less than base price of Victoria 8.1 plus her HD add-on. So, if you intend to go mainly with HD, then the new generation is actually slightly better priced. If you could not care less for any HD features, it will be more expensive going with the new generation.

alexhcowley said:

Like many others, I'm not spending almost $80 on something without knowing what I'm buying. 

The four ethnic groups feature looks interesting to me since I would like to combine the Hispanic facial features with a Black African skin tone. I wonder if this will be possible?

Cheers,

Alex. 

My understanding was that those were part of Genesis 9, not Victoria 9, and so would be free if they were  in Starter Essentials (though it did look as if Jay also had the, presumably non-free, morph packs so we can't take that as read)

hansmolleman33 said:

The price tag alone for Victoria 9 makes it a huge pass. Is DAZ serious with their pricings ??

Free is too expensive? Victoria 9 is not the base, Genesis 9 is and that will still be free.

The only thing that G9 does is adding more polys to the model and 8k textures to make the model more realistic.  Sorry but your renders won't look more realistic than using G8 models if you know how to post work your renders, anyone with half a brain knows that. 

 

hansmolleman33 said:

The price tag alone for Victoria 9 makes it a huge pass. Is DAZ serious with their pricings ??

The only thing that G9 does is adding more polys to the model and 8k textures to make the model more realistic.  Sorry but your renders won't look more realistic than using G8 models if you know how to post work your renders, anyone with half a brain knows that. 

 

No need to be sorry or, you know, condescending.  Most of what's produced in any medium, whether it be 3D, television, music or finger painting won't be very good, or even interesting.  Having denser mesh will open up new options for character interactions with environments and, ahem, other characters.  That's not nothing.  What's more, PAs never stop surprising us with new twists on base figures, and G9 will be very twisty.

The pricing with the introductory and Daz+ discounts is pretty standard for a fleshed out "pro" bundle, although what that fleshing-out looks like unfortunately still a mystery.  It will eventually be offered at deeper discounts still.  And the base G9 will, as usual, be free, and inexpensive and even free morphs will be made for it.

The price tag alone for Victoria 9 makes it a huge pass. Is DAZ serious with their pricings ??

The only thing that G9 does is adding more polys to the model and 8k textures to make the model more realistic.  Sorry but your renders won't look more realistic than using G8 models if you know how to post work your renders, anyone with half a brain knows that. 

 

If you're talking about Daz provided genitals :

- Both male and female geograft genitals are made to be welded perfectly to their respective wireframe. So G8/G8.1 genitals can be use on absolutely ALL models from the 8th generation.

- Male and female Daz genitals necessitate textures as the mesh UVs are a separate and specific UDIM (torso, legs, arms, face, etc... and genitals). Textures are available in Pro Daz Bundles. Some other content creators on the Daz Store sometimes provide extra textures with their male or female morphs.

If yes, which would be the best (most complete) product on the shop?

You'll most likely find what you're looking for on more specialized websites such as Renderotica.

I strongly advice :

- XY and XY HDM (DB XXX) for male genitalia geograft.

-  New Gens For Victoria 8 (3feetwolf) for female genitalia geograft.

Both those bundles provide excellent results out of the box. And they can be completed by a long list of uselful add-ons by Zev0 and other content creators. New Gens For Victoria 8 provides a script that will auto-texture female genitals so that their color blends perfectly with the rest of the torso, for absolutely any Genesis 8/8.1 female. XY and XY HDM have also their own UDIM UV. Some texures are provided to mix and match the color until it blends properly with the torso.

Avoid (just a personal opinion) equivalent products by Meipe. Morphs are really weird and those bundles are more a source of issues than creative fun.

Imago said:

Vedrai solo barbe da qui in poi.

Ancora non si vedono fix alle decine di bug (uno "nuovo" che incredibilmente ancora non avevo notato, quando creai una istanza di G1/2/3/8 l'ombra smette di venire proiettata fintanto che le istanze sono nella scena.) per cui non hanno la benchè minima voglia di aiutare gli utenti seri.

Tanto per iniziare, nelle foto del Bundle preorder si intravede Vic9 in un outfit degno dei migliori anni dei Village People. Attendo barbe e baffi a martello. Detto questo, invio a culi tutto quanto detto stamattina e, come i peggiori allocchi di Caracas, preordino (bendato) il Bundle di Victoria 9, sganciando la non indifferente somma di 80 sacchi e facendo voto di non spendere più un euro su DAZ fino alla sua uscita. Mai preso un bundle Daz alla release, ma la curiosità di provare Vic9 è troppa per resistere. Mi giustifico parzialmente dicendo che il bundle include il capello outoftouch da me menzionato (pure figo, dalle immagini che si vedono) e degli outfit spero quantomeno decenti. Poi la skin con la vitiligine, vuoi mettere che inclusiva che sarà. SOB :(

memcneil70 said:

I was surprised this morning when I went to download my purchases on from late yesterday on DIM and with the sort of 'Order Date: Recent First' a large number of products I have bought over the past years showed up, but not the two Bone Minion Bundles, the Paladin Bundle, or the DAZ+ products. I finally found them by searching by 'Product ID: Highest First'. Then I found the same problem on the my second Win10 computer's DIM. After the install, I looked at the items that showed up as 'Recent' but are older and they all now show an order date of 9/22/2022 at 04:56:48 AM. I have not purchased today. My last purchase was yesterday at 16:47 PM. I also had included the Victoria 9 HD Presale Bundle in that order. My previous purchase was on 9/21/2022.

So, did something happen to DIM recently? I have been downloading daily but using the A - Z option building my runtime on my MacBookPro slowly. And I did not see an update to DIM come through. My DIM Win10 version is 1.4.0.80 (64 bit).

Mary

Your version is the latest, it hasn't been updated.

I was surprised this morning when I went to download my purchases on from late yesterday on DIM and with the sort of 'Order Date: Recent First' a large number of products I have bought over the past years showed up, but not the two Bone Minion Bundles, the Paladin Bundle, or the DAZ+ products. I finally found them by searching by 'Product ID: Highest First'. Then I found the same problem on the my second Win10 computer's DIM. After the install, I looked at the items that showed up as 'Recent' but are older and they all now show an order date of 9/22/2022 at 04:56:48 AM. I have not purchased today. My last purchase was yesterday at 16:47 PM. I also had included the Victoria 9 HD Presale Bundle in that order. My previous purchase was on 9/21/2022.

So, did something happen to DIM recently? I have been downloading daily but using the A - Z option building my runtime on my MacBookPro slowly. And I did not see an update to DIM come through. My DIM Win10 version is 1.4.0.80 (64 bit).

Mary