So as not to entirely de-rail this thread, can I point to a discussion had in February about thigh bulge. It honestly appears that G9 is worse than Victoria 3 in this respect. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8001451/#Comment_8001451

Regards,

Richard

outrider42 said:

I have seen Genesis 9. Genesis 9 has World Devouring Thighs. Actual promo pic for a G9 product in this store:

It's not the base Genesis 9 figure and in a direct comparison, with Genesis 9 (with Victoria 9 mats) and Genesis 8.1 (with Victoria 8.1 mats), the difference isn't that big (I tried to reduce G8.1's height a bit but I don't know what percentage I needed to remove):

I don't get why the existence of products like Natural Movements or UNBM for Genesis 9 is seen as a defect of G9 when similar products are also available for previous generations too.

outrider42 said:

I've got Victoria 9 converted to G8 and she looks amazing...because her textures are amazing.

I didn't know it was possible and looking for it, I'm mostly finding videos and articles about the reverse process (using previous generations textures on G9).

Is it an easy process and do you have a tutorial / video explaining how to do it ?

scorpio said:

DisparateDreamer said:

I don't want to compare the two products but I just want to say that BOTH are worth having, IMHO. They do things slightly differently. The Natural movements morphs has a ton of highly detailed things like carefully sculpted wrinkles and adapted joints, where the newest Ultimate Natural bends are more delicate and subtle and less muscular but fix some of the gosh awful hip and pelvic region (as someone who has spent a lot of time trying to fix those joints and every possible combination of twist and turn and bend and side to side all at the same time... AUGH) so huge respect for both products.... I think they are BOTH a must have. 

I just dont understand why when G9 is suppose to be an improvement we need to purchase 2 products to get the figure to look good in poses, G9's armpits often look worse thsn V4's did.

And why are the UNBM only for G9F? its why I'm only picking up cheap stuff for G9 and not really moving from G8. 

Because some are not willing to admit that G9 is not an upgrade.

I have seen Genesis 9. Genesis 9 has World Devouring Thighs. Actual promo pic for a G9 product in this store:

That is just terrifying. Hopefully these bend products help with this issue, I really, truly hope so because it is so very bad. But I just don't know. This might be an impossible task with Genesis 9. We need a true successor to Genesis, not a model that simply has a pretty texture on it. A pretty texture is not progress, it is just a pretty texture. I've got Victoria 9 converted to G8 and she looks amazing...because her textures are amazing. And she even looks better as a Genesis 8 because Genesis 8 can bend better than Genesis 9. No G8 is not perfect, I am not saying that, G8 has its own bending issues, but it sure is better than this. We did not need 9 if there is so little improvement, or rather, a regression from Genesis 8. At least Genesis 8 and later 8.1 had compabities between them along with their small minor tiny improvements. 9 tosses all of that away...just so we can have freakish poses like this, lol.

I just received an update and Mira's page has new measurements, in line with her base appareance in Daz Studio and she's now officially taller than Victoria 9.

Older measurements (from archive.org):

• Height: 5' 5" (164.7 cm)
• Bust Circumference: 30.8" (78.2 cm)
• Waist Circumference: 24.6 (62.6 cm)
• Low Hip Circumference: 36.7" (93.1 cm)

New measurements (from daz3d.com):

• Height: 5' 7" (170.1 cm)
• Bust Circumference: 31.5" (80.1 cm)
• Waist Circumference: 25.2 (64.1 cm)
• Low Hip Circumference: 37.6" (95.4 cm)

There is something I find really irritating about the 3DU Time Machine. It automatically adds 100% Base Feminine or 100% Base Masculine to your character when you enable the 3DU Time Machine. When you use it on a character that does not already include that morph (like any of the Daz Original characters like Victoria 9, Michael 9, etc.) It totally distorts the character shape. Going in and dialing Base Feminine or Base Masculine back out every time is annoying. This product really seems designed to only be used on Genesis 9 Base, although that isn't what the product page says.

Victoria 9 default shape on the left.

Victoria 9 with "3DU Time Machine Enable Female" set to On on the right. Note how Victoria's shape is distorted by the addition of the Base Feminine morph added at 100% by the Time Machine. Victoria 9 does not need the Base Feminine shape dialed in. Her morph already has all the characteristics of a female shape.

Hello,

According to the Mira 9 HD page, Mira is 164.7 cm (5' 5") tall, which mean she is ~5 cm shorter than Victoria (which, according to her own page, 169.4 cm --5' 6.7"-- tall) but, here's a render with, from Left to Right, Mira with the Young Adult Proportions morph fully apply, Victoria then Mira as loaded by default:

But by default, as shown by the render, Mira is actually slightly taller than Victoria and the only way for Mira to be smaller than Victoria is to apply the Mira 9 Young Adult Proportions morph, which as the name imply, is supposed to be the proportions of the younger Mira (from what I can see, it is part of the Mira 9 HD Young Adult Shape package provided as a temporary bonus with ) and I didn't see any 'proportions' morph file inside the Mira 9 HD package.

Am I missing something, is there a mistake inside Mira 9 HD package or is it just a mistake done while writting the Mira 9 HD page ?

I have a wishlist of 53. About half are on sale at the moment, but as there is little chance of me getting them even at these quite good prices, I may as well delete them from the list because I obviously don't want them all that much.

I have three G9 products on my list and, despite buying the only G9 character that interested me this year, I remain unenthuseastic and totally apethetic about G9. So, I may as well get rid of them too. Looking at it, I have as many Victoria 3 items on my wishlist as I have G9, and I'm more likely to buy & use them too.

A few items are there to remind me about certain poses that I want to experiment with, but have been there for well over a year, so I'm not that bothered about them, really. May as well get rid of them too.

That should cut my wishlist down to a very small number.

Regards,

Richard

vickjkollamane said:

Can this character be transfered or applied to Genesis 9 somehow? https://www.daz3d.com/leony-hd-for-victoria-8

Here you go https://www.daz3d.com/figure-converter-for-genesis-9

Keep in mind no converter will do the HD morphs

Can this character be transfered or applied to Genesis 9 somehow? https://www.daz3d.com/leony-hd-for-victoria-8

memcneil70 said:

@sid showed it, but I hadn't seen his posts before I downloaded the product and loaded Victoria 9 and opened the Parameters Tab and prepared myself for a fight to fight them. Instead, in bold, there the 'Natural Moveme...' morphs showed up right under Hidden on my screen. Couldn't be simpler. So many morph packs hide themselves with cute names or acronyms that I end up forgetting where I found them and they gather dust.

I tried a falling backward pose for Vicky and other than adjusting her bikini's poke through, it worked wonderfully. 

Thank you Mechasar. 

I'm glad you're pleased!

WayneX said:

Pokimane:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/pokimane_3dmodel-Daz?layout=profile
Ana Kasperian:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/ana-kasparian-G8-3D?layout=profile
Emma Stone:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Emma-Stone-G8?layout=profile
Lauren Boebert:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/lauren-boebert-3d-Gensis8?layout=profile/
Thomasin-Mckenzie:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/thomasin-mckenzie-3d-daz-g8?layout=profile
Georgia Dow (Youtuber) 
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/ClaireforGenesis8?layout=profile
Shakira:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Shakira-3d-daz?layout=profile
Ebba Busch (Swedish Politician):
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/EbbyforGenesis8?layout=profile
Annie Loof (Swedish Politician):
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/AnnikaforGenesis8?layout=profile
Stormfront (The Boys Actress) - Aya Cash:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Stormfront-for-Genesis8?layout=profile
Victoria Newman (The Boys):
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Vicky-for-Genesis-8-Female?layout=profile
Queen Maeve (The Boys)
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Vera-Genesis-8-Female-Queen-Maeve?layout=profile
Sanna Marin (Freebie):
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Sanna-morph-Genesis-8-female?layout=profile

Thanks for this, appreciated. If you could keep this post up to date I've linked to it from the OP as a resource. 

@sid showed it, but I hadn't seen his posts before I downloaded the product and loaded Victoria 9 and opened the Parameters Tab and prepared myself for a fight to fight them. Instead, in bold, there the 'Natural Moveme...' morphs showed up right under Hidden on my screen. Couldn't be simpler. So many morph packs hide themselves with cute names or acronyms that I end up forgetting where I found them and they gather dust.

I tried a falling backward pose for Vicky and other than adjusting her bikini's poke through, it worked wonderfully. 

Thank you Mechasar. 

Padone said:

You can check the figure if there's a vendor morph for the eyemoisture. If yes then it should be used and the morph should be the same as daz. If no then trasferring is approximated by the nearest vertex and there may be differences with daz. If the issue is limited to a specific figure then may be vendor morphs are not provided. I tried Victoria 9 and everything works fine here.

Then if you believe there's a bug feel free to report at bitbucket for Thomas to check.

https://bitbucket.org/Diffeomorphic/import_daz/issues

 

I did some more testing and it turns out that even in daz it does deform the eyemoisture like that, so it's a daz problem as you have suggested. Thank you for your help, i feel better now knowing that the problem is on the daz side and that i can keep doing my usual workflow.

Richard Haseltine said:

Is the Victoria 4 model parented to Genesis 9? Fitting doesn't count for wearables, only parenting.

i tried it both parented and not parented. so its clothing do i just save it as a figure?

Is the Victoria 4 model parented to Genesis 9? Fitting doesn't count for wearables, only parenting.

it is a wearable its victoria 4's uv and matereal zone wrapped over genesis 9 as clothing so you can use v4 mat poses on genesis 9 I already made a v4 uv set for G9 but the mat zone do not change making that idea useless but when ever i save the wearable all i get is a copy of G9 once i got both v4 skin AND G9 the only way I've gotten it to work at all is just to save the V4 skin as a scene but then use it like a wearable

You can check the figure if there's a vendor morph for the eyemoisture. If yes then it should be used and the morph should be the same as daz. If no then trasferring is approximated by the nearest vertex and there may be differences with daz. If the issue is limited to a specific figure then may be vendor morphs are not provided. I tried Victoria 9 and everything works fine here.

Then if you believe there's a bug feel free to report at bitbucket for Thomas to check.

https://bitbucket.org/Diffeomorphic/import_daz/issues

Pokimane:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/pokimane_3dmodel-Daz?layout=profile
Ana Kasperian:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/ana-kasparian-G8-3D?layout=profile
Emma Stone:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Emma-Stone-G8?layout=profile
Lauren Boebert:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/lauren-boebert-3d-Gensis8?layout=profile/
Thomasin-Mckenzie:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/thomasin-mckenzie-3d-daz-g8?layout=profile
Georgia Dow (Youtuber) 
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/ClaireforGenesis8?layout=profile
Shakira:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Shakira-3d-daz?layout=profile
Ebba Busch (Swedish Politician):
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/EbbyforGenesis8?layout=profile
Annie Loof (Swedish Politician):
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/AnnikaforGenesis8?layout=profile
Stormfront (The Boys Actress) - Aya Cash:
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Stormfront-outfit-the-boys
Victoria Newman (The Boys):
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Vicky-for-Genesis-8-Female?layout=profile
Queen Maeve (The Boys)
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Vera-Genesis-8-Female-Queen-Maeve?layout=profile
Sanna Marin (Freebie):
https://hanyodaz.gumroad.com/l/Sanna-morph-Genesis-8-female?layout=profile

Glorious Pink, Victoria 2 and the Eastern Dragon

Odd, I suspect it's a synergy (misynergy?) with another product as I have no sign of "circular" in my log from loading Victoria 4.2 and the morph packs listed in my previous post.