Windows 10 only for new CPU platforms
nDelphi
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"Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel's upcoming 'Kaby Lake' silicon, Qualcomm's upcoming '8996' silicon, and AMD's upcoming 'Bristol Ridge' silicon."
http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/16/10780876/microsoft-windows-support-policy-new-processors-skylake
What I see is older hardware becoming a highly priced comodity (prices go up) as people want to keep their older Windows around longer.
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my dayjob showing no signs of leaving win7. or upg from office2k7.
dont want to at home either.
I'm of the "As long as it does what I want it to do" school. Sometimes it seems that faster processors and memory sometimes offer no real advantage, as programmers seem to just bloat their programs to use up the speed. In some cases, such as rendering, more speed is necessary, and I've purchased a newer Win7computer for that. But I won't be trading up for a looooong time!
I was probably the last person in the world to retire my WinME computer/400mhz processor because Corel4 would not run on WinXP, and it had one feature that no newer program has until Paint.net.
I retired it 3 months ago.
Personally running WinXP x64 for 9 years but it will be retired as soon as all the new parts for my new computer are in and the new computer will run W10 Pro x64.
I don't like the idea Microsoft is adding BIOS/firmware flashing to the forced automatic updates.That looks like a plan that can only end in total disaster :(
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation
I can only speculate what their intentions are, but It will be a great way to take total control of the hardware and what runs on it though.Windows 10 only firmware/bios would be able to lock out any hardware/software vendor they choose.
There is also the chance a failed flash attempt bricks the device.I wouldn't be so happy if automatic updates bricked my $1,000 GPU, or my whole computer when the BIOS/UEFI flash fails leaving the motherboard unusable and unrepairable.
I can't help wonder if MS has made a deal with these CPU manufacturers to get rid all older versions of Windows...
I don't read that as MS putting BIOS updates on or managed by Windows Update.
That sounds as if the drivers (that is, the WIndows drivers on disc) will be on Windows Update and there will be published BIOS/UEFI upgrading tools (not clear whether that's from MS or the manufacturers) so that the hardware can be readily updated to take advantage of the Windows updates.
The whole tech industry is seriously in need of some new competition.
Would they need to?
maybe, let's hope MS will limit it's forced updates to just installing the wrong drivers and not flashing the wrong firmware images :)
Or an incredibly massive solar flare...
LOL. EMP anyone?
That already happened to me, not bios but hardware failure, no joke. Something from Win10 November update (1511) killed my Dell XPS One 2710, a two year old $1800 AIO PC with i7 processor and 27" touch screen.
I ran Win10 Pro update from 8.1 for couple of weeks without problems, using previously installed drivers and avoiding upgrade to 1511, until I chose to do a clean install using media creation builder with 1511 update on 12/31/15. Few hours later the PC was dead - kinda. When turned on screen is black, no boot, no bios, no post, no nothing. The screen itself is not defect, it still shows the on-screen-menu, and after trying to boot for about 25 times it started another time - this was my chance to backup all my data and reset the system before sending it in with Dell. No need to say it did not start again after that, no matter what I tried.
First I thought it was just another defect PC and didn't even think of Win10 or drivers that come with it being faulty, until I searched the internet to see if it is a known bug and if there's some solution - so I found couple forum threads even at MS and Dell forums reporting exact the same hardware failure for that 2710 model. Only solution the people there suggest is getting a new mainboard ... which is kinda problem as those are rarely available anymore and usually refit models on ebay are $300+ (new one from Dell was $450, but not available anymore following some forum post), as it's model specific partly using notebook technics - and maybe now prices even going up.
Failure seems to be a problem with integrated graphics which is on my model is both, Intel graphics and NVidia GT640M, maybe using both the same time or using wrong frequencies at startup for monitor, at least the screen makes a weird sound that might come from that. Neither Dell nor Microsoft warn their users yet that it kills that specific XPS model .. which suxx.
It's now sent in for repair at Dell and I hope they fix it under some german 2y warranty (one by law, not the Dell one), with only 6 more days left it was JUST in time - most other users in forums have theirs out of warranty and now have a very expensive brick at home. I read from one guy who had the mainboard changed 2 times before finding out it was booting the already installed Win10 killing it again and only avoiding Win10 boot and rolling back to Win8.1 - after installing another new mainboard - helped.
I guess until some computer press writes about or it is spread on many blogs this will not even be fixed, as most of these models are out of warranty today (there was a follow up model 2720 shortly after which doesn't seem to be affected) - and even if some future Win10 update fixes it (accidentally), how to find out when there is no note about it ? Install and try again ? Not me for sure -.-
After working with PC for more than 20 years and building dozens myself I NEVER thought that might happen from an OS upgrade. I did not even think it would be possible. Might be a very rare case, but then ..
I can see the nightmare in that!
That's awful, but it sounds like it could also be an issue with the motherboard itself, as well. A perfect toxic combination.
Yea, it's probablty in the interest of all parties (except the users') to do this, at least that's what I get from reading some of the comments on the article pages (which are often more useful than the articles themselves...).
...this exactly why I refuse to let 10 on my system. The issues with MS issued Nvdia driver updates are bad enough.
I wonder when Intel will strike a deal with Microsoft to make all future processors Windows only.
A few days after release, Linux programmers will have a workaround.
Actually, I think MS is still testing Windows 10 and that's why it's being offered free; the public is just the last of the test bunnies, so to speak. Unfortunately, whenever upgrading an OS or any software like that the one thing your doing is bringing along any old problems with the upgrade and sometimes those problems even get multipled. Also, whenever upgrading a system to a new OS you need to make sure your hardward is prepared for it and that means the bios should be upgraded before hand, not afterwards. The other considerations to take into mind before upgrading is what ofther softward do you have on your system, before upgrading an OS. When Windows 10 first came out none of the anti-virus or Internet security software companies had a version that would work with Windows 10 yet.
Personally, I think the best and only way to upgrade a computer to new version of an OS like Windows 10 is to first make sure you've got enough hardward to support the new OS. Then, if you do and you still want to take that leap, backup all data to an external hard drive, flash drive ro the cloud and make sure you get your Internet favorites, as well. Next, make sure you've upgraded your computer bios to work with the new OS and then, remove licenced software from the system, so that you can re-install them later if your going to use the same license later. iTunes needed to be deuatorized, Microsoft licences can be managed online, and so can Symantec. After that, it's a matter of using the restore diskto reset the system to factory spec, so you are working with a clean slate and only after that do you upgrade the OS.
I've curretnly got two systems that I"m debating, whether or not to upgrade or inflict Windows 10 on them. I have a new system with Windows 10 Pro and I already have a love hate relationship with it. So far, the only thing nice I've found about it is I didn't need to get a third party utility to get me a Start button like menu like in Windows 7. However, the one thing i really don't like is how Windows 10 has removed a lot of the setting from me in the control panel; it's very sparce. Also, because I have it on a system with three monitors configured in landscape mode and a forth above as an auxiliar, I don't seem to be able to get the Windows 10 Metro desktop; it's just not available to me. Normally, i wouldn't want that screen, but Windows 10 isn't displaying all the apps in the menu and the only way to get them would be that screen.
New is not always better. I like the way WinXP worked nice clean and simple. The only reason I upgraded to Win7 pro was because the first service pack 1 came out and everyone was saying it worked well for them. So I purchased a new Intel i7 3930k hexacore and 32gb of ddr3 ram, and it works good. I still have my i7 6core it now has 64gb of ram and 3 new Nvidia 780 6gb video cards which I got just for iray and I use mechanical hard drives with my copy of windows 7 pro 64bit and I don't want SSD until they make them as reliable as hard drives. I purchased a ssd for my laptop and had it go sideways on me so I just reinstalled the original laptop hard drive with everything already to go and it is still going strong after all this time. I don't plan on getting ddr4 or new intel 8 core just because it is new. I don't like to be a beta testor for software or hardware companies. If I pay for something it need to work out of the box otherwise I do not want to buy it PERIOD! So untill I hear I absolutely need win 10 the question I would ask you is why upgrade and cause problems for yourself.
I don't think Microsoft needed to make any sort of arrangement with chipmakers for this, I would imagine it's all done on Microsoft's end. They did make some concessions to the big PC makers like Dell, but that's a different matter than the technical requirements.
I held on to my XP as long as I could. It was so solid. I rejected Vista, thank goodness, and still running 7. I passed on 8, again, thank goodness, and I'll pass on 10 as well.
I don't let update auto update anything and I never get Drivers from Microsoft unless there is no other option. I learned the hard way on that.
First thing I did with 7 was have my geek guy remove all of the useless bundled junk and disable any remote operation options. Why those came enabled by default was beyond me.
I disabled all of the "auto update" stuff on my Win7 laptop, as well.
It updated anyway and cleared my desktop. Took it back to a clean default desktop.
This is why my art computer will never, ever go online. Not even once for DazRM. In addition, I would have to pay a fortune for licenses for another installation of the serious anti-malware stuff that I have on my internet computer. Which still won't stop Microsoft from raping my computer at will.
I have a new laptop, with Windows 8.1, that I use for wi-fi downloads. I don't just have auto-update disabled; I have 'check for updates' turned off. So far (6 months of near daily wi-fi access) I haven't seen any indication of updates being collected. I do use wsus offline to build an update-image iso, but I've never used one. My XP system stayed untouched and un-updated for 6 years with no issues.