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I was about nine when Star Wars came out, nobody I knew saw it and it was almost a year after it came out before I ended up seeing it... When I heard the title "Star Wars" I thought the title was dopey and it was going to be a typical 70s B movie... Somehow I went all that time without reading anything about it... finally a friend went to see it and said it was great... He was a little bit dumb, so I was skeptical... Even when watching the movie I had moments of doubt... "Stormtroopers"? WW2 references? "Clone wars"?... 40s Sci-Fi?... "Imperial senate"... "Old republic"... Rome references too now? "Photon torpedoes"?... Hey,that's Star Trek!... But despite those little details that bugged me, I got drawn into it and overall I loved it... Even though I immediately started looking up anything Star Wars and there were many rumors of a sequel and I even read one interview with Lucas were he said he ultimately wanted to make nine movies all together, three past, three present and three future, and that Star Wars was actual the middle of the series... That blew my mind... Aaaaaah a sequel!!!! I could wait... Although it would be a few years... Centuries in kid time, but when it finally came out I saw it in the first week and was not disappointed... Well, except for finding out Darth Vader was Luke's dad... That was like finding out my dad was Darth Vader... I actually thought it was some trick, and maybe by the next movie they would clear that up... Would you believe someone who recently blew up Alderaan and just turned your buddy into a TV dinner?... I didn't like it, but I eventually accepted it... Maybe it would make more sense in the next sequel... I could hardly wait for the next movie... I was older by then and had read far more fantasy and sci fi books by then... But when it came out, I waited on a huge line... A couple of hours, because I knew it would be that good... I guess it mostly was... But those damn teddy bears were a thorn in my side... And everyone just forgiving Darth Vader for all the sithy things he did, was weird... But, well... it was no 4 or 5, but it was okay.... I actually felt a little bummed out... I wasn't completely surprised when nobody mentioned anymore sequels and years went by and eventually they announced plans for the prequel... Modern special effects, hopefully better writing and a clear explanation of how everything fell apart and lead to the emperor taking over... Episode one in my opinion wasn't that bad... I could accept little Anikin, and his specialness... Sure he is strong with the force... The force is really powered by microorganisms? Uh? Okay... Trade union?... Okay. Jar Jar Binks... No $&€#ing way... No... Just no... Totally no... No,no,no and no! I did my best to overlook the abomination that was Binks and write it off as, "Okay, you have to start somewhere, and Lucas is trying to add a moronic character that little kids would like... Or want to kill... Whatever, I get it, focus on the good stuff and hopefully the next one will be better... The next one wasn't... I thought I'd point that out... It had a few moments, but whining hollow acting Anikin was almost as bad as Binks... Worst, yet with Anikin, I couldn't hope someone would murder him in a messy, painful fashion like I wanted for Binks, because that would be against the storyline... Ahgh! I actually never saw the third sequel in the theater, because I was so disappointed by two... Three was better, but frikin Christian Hayden is terrible... Worse than getting one one of those tiny catfish from the Amazon lodged in your... Okay, I gotta stop before I get all worked up on that... My girls loved the Clone Wars cartoon series, and I've probably seen most of it and I have to say, that Anikin was 1000x better than Hayden... But a spoiled watermelon would still be better than Hayden... I mean he really is the one that murdered Luke's father, not Darth Vader like Kenobi told him... Okay... Enough reminiscing and back story... Despite my feelings towards the prequels and warrior teddy bear (who by the way, wanted to BBQ and eat the heroes, but we just glossed over that hu?)... Despite that, my daughters have seen the saga in order and loved it... They loved the clone wars cartoons and the new rebels series... And none of that was me or my wife's doing... They found episode one on TV when they were about six and after seeing it insisted on seeing the rest... In order.
They love anything Star Wars... Maybe it's their age and their ability to overlook Binks, and bad acting... maybe they didn't have to wait decades for movies to come... Either way they enjoy it and that's cool to me... I'd like it more if one of them wasn't so in love with Darth Vader, but hey, after all, I'm their dad, so I can understand an inclination to the dark side... Even if episode 7 isn't as good as I'm hoping, as long as they like it, that's all that really matters for me.
Live long and... Uh, oops, may the force be with youse... Later.
I enjoyed it a lot. The only deja vu I had was the beginning but I looked at it more as reverential and making a connection to the earlier films, and they all start the same way anyhow, just like the old movie serials did!! Rey and Finn are good additions, especially the actress portraying Rey who had never done a previous action pic. For me, the dark side of the force is the hipper than the room crowd spouting off on the Internet.
Lots of easter eggs and fun references and I got choked up a little when I first saw Chewie and Han. They were in it more than I had anticipated... definitely not quick cameos.
I saw the regular 2D film version in an early matinee on Friday (3D movies give me headaches) and had no problem with crowds. The ticket girl said it was the 3D showings that were selling out.
Wait... Darth Vader was Luke's father???? OMG
Spoiler!!!!!!!!
I haven't seen the new Star Wars yet my fear is that there won't be any Gungan characters like Jar Jar Binks in the Star Wars Universe anymore. I really loved the character and I never understood the hatred for him.
I am almost afraid to admit for fear of banishment from the forums, but Jar Jar Binks is one of my favorite characters, too. Of course, when I first saw the film, I was going through reggae music phase and he sort of resonated with me because he seemed to have that sort of vibe.
Jarjar was silly but my son liked him well enough when he was a child and we both laughed at him the first time we saw the movie. I loved the ewoks and slept with a toy one for years. I still have it in my bedroom with my stuffed Chewbacca. I think the presumption by many is that Star wars (and star trek for that matter) should be adult property and so anything that isn't adult enough for them is all wrong. I think that sort of thinking really sucks the joy right out of things that we love because we loved them as children.
Three posts in a row praising Jar Jar?! Does this mean the universe will fall apart now and Harmageddon finally will be over us? And I haven't even made a bucket list yet...
I'll do admit though, that I quite liked the ewoks and even saw the two ewok films. But I was young back then.
I loved the ewoks, too, and saw both films. I think there have to be more of us who really like Jar Jar for Harmageddon to activate. I actually had to look that up because I thought it was a spelling mistake. English Literature was my major in college, though, so I love learning new words, derivatives of words, history of language or words, etc. It was an education, though, especially with the African Harmageddon pictures that showed up in the Google search. I think it might have actually been an album cover which would never have flown by the anti-porn fanatics here in the States. While I'm quite happy ignoring this stuff without getting offended finding these things pop up with ordinary Google searches, I'm not quite sure I'm ready for any of my boys to stumble across it yet. I don't think I'll be teaching them that spelling variant in the near future. And, if I do, I will warn them about what they might find.
My point, though, is that I don't think there are enough Jar Jar Binks fans to begin the total destruction of Earth. However, that could change at any minute......
But the macguffin was ... dumb. I have no issues with the use of them. The best macguffin of all time is the one in Pulp Fiction, and we never even learn what it is. This one was just dumb. Is it possible that they might clarify its raison d'etre in a future installment? Sure. But right now, I wonder why such a thing even exists. Right now, I figure they were just looking for another bit of business for their homage train and someone threw out a half-baked idea that they ran with.
Its funny... me and my 23 yr old, who differs on the merits of the prequel trilogy (he's sort of ... adopted...yeah, that's it; I take no responsbility for opinions formed before knowing me) actually pretty much agree on this one.
I need to stop thinking about it and discussing it until I see it again. I don't want my feelings to calcify. I wanted to like this film, without having expectations. Honestly, though I have said its a good film, in the lobby afterwards with my parents, my opinion was that I didn't like it. That hasn't changed. But it was a bad day, and I was jilted out of the mood to see the film. I may have judged it too harshly.
I suppose in a way it was. It's how we spell it in swedish, but I now realize the common english spelling is without the H. I'll admit curiosity got the better of me and I had to have a look at what your google search found and yes, that was unexpected... My apologies. But there was cute kitty pictures there too!
But I digress.
Back on topic:
I've seen the new movie been labeled a reboot of the franchise in some reviews. While it obvsiouly refererences to things in the previous movies, I suppose that could in a way explain many of the similarities or downright copies of things from episode IV.
Jar Jar didn't really bother me, honestly. I wasn't sure he added much, but I didn't mind his being there.
And I'll freely admit I love the ewoks, in all their adorable, non-ewok eating cuteness. (Amazing how many people who complain about how cute the Ewoks are forget about the whole "going to eat Han" thing.)
I just wish someone else (or maybe a couple someone else's) had given Lucas' scripts another treatment or three.
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Not your fault, Isidorn. I can deal with finding unexpected pictures on the internet. I can happen to the best of us, especially if you are speaking in one language, but think in your own language. I do that all the time. English is one of those languages that absorbs others so much that it is easy to mess up the spelling because quite a few of our words actually keep the spelling of the language from which they adopted it. English is my first language and I have to say that I sometimes find it easier to learn other languages.
I've been watching the trailer because I hadn't actually watched them yet. How many years after the last movie is this current movie estimated to be taking place? That one comment above is starting to make since if it hasn't been that long, but the memory of the Force seems to have been forgotten.
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This thread overlooks the obvious obviousness-ness that jar-jar is a sith master.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA
From a pure chronology standpoint, if you look at the age of the kids, the Force Awakens takes place atleast 20+ years after Return of the Jedi. (some reviews may have said 30 years)
Yes I think the in-movie time difference between VII and IV-VI is roughly the same as the real life time difference between when the movies were made. 20-30 years sounds reasonable. Is there no official statement about this somewhere?
offical? No, but any wiki souce will back up the 30 year assement. Of course that means a year breaks down to exactally 365 days/3600 hours/31557600 seconds on all these planets.
People, people, it's a made up world. A story, a fictional universe. Anything goes! Evidenced by the fact that in their world "parsec" is apparently still a measure of time, not distance as in our world. If as many people spent as much time and energy thinking about reality instead of fairy tales with non-sensical science we'd already be traveling to the stars instead of bickering about whether Jar-Jar is loveable or disgusting. Oy!
I had never heard that theory before. I love how this video seems so realistic in it's presentation of the possibility of his being a sith master.
And for that, I thank you very much.
What are y'all refering to as the Macguffin? There's nothing in there that I see as qualifying (though admittidly I tend to go for a strict definition). (PM ME if it's super spoilerific)
I'm curious. PM me :)
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Saw it Thursday, midnite. It was good, but not great. I think it did too much setting the stage for a new generation of fans to fully appeal to me wanting a story that was brand new, rather than a whole bunch of harkening back to the originals.
Still, as a Disney Stockholder, I'm pleased and thank all of you for giving me your money :D
yes, we are all fully aware it's not real, but the idea that if we spent more time and energy in what we conceptualize as real we would be technologically more advanced than we currently are is supercilious.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world.
-Albert "skills that pay da bills" Einstein
They only allow dwarves in after the holidays? That seems unsually cruel even fo Disney! ;)
does Darth Vader's wife appear.
The first Star Wars (A New Hope) opened in the Odeon cinema where I was working part-time. I took the afternoon off school and marches past teh queue that wrapped round the rather large building, went up to Christine in the ticket booth and said, "I'm goign to go and watch it, ok?" Chris, lovely lady she was, replied, "ok, enjoy". So I sat and watched it all the way through. If I had not done so I would have seen it in bits and pieces over the next week or so, all out of order!
Later on it migrated down to our two smaller screens and Dave, the projectionist, had the film running from one projector to the other, so two screens, one film ... and a lot of crossed fingers it did not break! ;) It also meant I could walk from screen two to screen three and enter, speaking the lines perfectly in sync I had seen it so often :)
The next two were good, but not quite as good, in my view.
The next three I have never actually watched, except very piecemeal (the most is, I think, the 1st 20 minutes of oen of them) and I have not been enthused by what I saw!
I'll get round to watching the new one at some stage, but I have never really been the 'got to do it now!' type of person, I'll see it eventually, and that'l be good enough. Not seen any of the Hobbit films yet, either ;)
Saw it last night, thankfully managed to get to see a non-dubbed version.
I did hear it was good, but I was surprised at how good it was. I used to be a biiig star wars fan bag in the day, still have like 20 or so extended universe novels and a bucket full of toys. Kinda grew out of it. So it caught be by surprise how much I still love this franchise :D
It probably follows A New Hopes story beats a bit too much. But other than that, it's like they took everything that was good about old star wars, improved it in some places and then added a few sprinkles of new ideas. Afterwards adjusted the whole thing to 2015 viewing conventions.
But I think what it mostly came down to, was Episode 1 - 3's biggest weakness: characters. I liked all the new figures, hoped that they would succeed and am looking forward to seeing more of them.
Well, maybe they could add an alien character to the main roster of figures. Maybe Episode VIII's Lando can be a Twi'Lek or something ^^
I am interested in what you thought about the movie, my thoughts are exactly what you've written, loved and cherished the 4-6....the prequels totally destroyed any hope I had for the series and I'm very skeptical of the new movie as Abrams is not my favorite either. My nephew went and said he liked it and it was a total improvement over the prequels....but I'm still hesitant and thinking I'd rather wait for it to come out on DVD.
Well, here are a few thoughts from the Vatican newspaper review.
http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/movies/vatican-newspaper-slams-star-wars-force-awakens-n484306
I actually enjoyed the movie as an entertainment and I didn't get bored or walk out, but I agree with the reviewer's description of a re-engineered reboot, not a sequel.
Well it's the Vatican, hard to put any stock in their views on entertainment, LOL.
Just got back from seeing it in 3D, and totally loved it. It had much more substance than I expected after seeing all the hype and trailers. I also see lots of promise with the new characters and the future for the franchise. I liked the story and thought Abrams did a great job on rebooting the franchise while still trying to keep older fans happy. As an older fan, there were a couple of teary eyed moments for me, LOL. Granted there were a few things I could nitpick, but none of it took away from the movie for me. Will definately see it a few more times on the big screen.
I have seens lots of movie in 3D and none of them really stand out since 3D tends to be darker on screen, costs more and can cause a headache or two, but there were a few WOW moments for me in 3D in this one.
My biggest nitpick, is parents that take their kids to a movie without a freaking muzzle!!!!! If I wanted to hear your rugrats i would come over to your house!!
Then there was the idiot next to me who wouldn't turn off his phone, luckily managment escorted him out, so kudos to Cinemark!
Forbes first review was far more scathing and condemning.
BTW if you haven't seen the movie and still want to be surprised there are sites advertising click bait links and freely dropping spoilers as the call outs.
JJ doesn't do sequels, he does reboots, either hard or soft. This is a soft reboot and a good action flick. Don't expect character development or things to make sense, cause they won't. Empire is still the best and the prequels are dead to me.