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I completely understand that not every character/bundle is to everyone's taste, but:
female character who looks like several other G9 females + a bunch of lingerie that I'll never use + uninspiring mixes with other characters = me saving my Premiere coupon for the end of the month
Definitely not for me. I hope others enjoy the bundles, though!
Not having a dedicated Genesis 9 Core Figures page makes it harder to see in one glance how much the females are repeated.
Leona herself looks rather nice, I like the texture and face shape.
Hair looks good, and I love the baroque room, but have zero need for the impractical lingerie.
Factors to consider:
1. Genesis 9 has been out for long enough that many, probably most, of the Genesis 9 content releases will be either somewhat or completely redundant, given what is already available for sale.
2. It strikes me that Daz's release schedule is very aggressive/ambitious. Two a month? That exhausts the potential number of body shapes and skin types relatively quickly, especially considering that some body/skin combinations will have very limited commercial appeal. Youngish white female appears to sell well historically, so some variant of that has been released frequently.
3. Many of Daz's best customers get a character bundle at no additional charge because of their monthly subscription. That would need to be accounted for in Daz's internal business calculations. Hard to believe that the "free bundle" calculations don't have consequences for the amount and type of content included in the character bundles.
That's exactly how I see it too; thank you for the precise description. A skin tone that is a few shades darker does not make a “Caucasian” type an Indian, Hawaiian, Mapuche, etc.
I'm confused.
Leona 9 patter says that the character is measured in Measure Metrics.
Looking at the measure metrics readme (https://docs.daz3d.com/public/read_me/index/16000_16999/16684/start), it appears there is no update that covers G9. One or other is not right.
Regards,
Richard
There's no Figure Metrics wearable for G9 included, but Measure Metrics itself can be used with G9. More info in this thread: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8488146/#Comment_8488146
I can't think of anyone in my social group, which is probably 75% white European, who looks like a Daz Original Genesis 9 character. Or even any Daz Original figure of any generation. Which isn't me saying that Daz needs to make all my friends, only that humanity is so stupidly diverse that I can't agree that they've exhausted the characters they can create. There are some character artists who create figure for Daz who are absolutely smashing it.
The release schedule used to be weekly. And the bundles were often HUGE.
Since Daz started offering free character bundles with a membership, I imagine the quality of their sales data is less rich. How many people have a membership for the store discounts and only grab a character because they have a coupon and it's free? If they don't know that, they can't know whether all their other calculations are correct. It could look like their lower quality* core figure membership model is a roaring success, but from a customer value perspective, it may be leaving money on the table. I don't think they can assess whether - taking character bundles in isolation - they'd make more by scrapping the free character and investing more into characters, each sale of which will add income.
But I like the new bundle format, for what it's worth. Two bundles - one core with an outfit, hair and maybe some expressions or poses. A second themed bundle. I'm talking about the characters only. I worry they're equating coupon purchases with "people love this; let's make more".
*artistic/customer perception quality rather than technical quality. And I should amend my statement that Daz need a new character artist. I'm certain their artists are doing a very good job, I just maybe question whether the job they're be asked to do is working for their customers.
@SilverGirl, Chocolate is my OMG food. And while I am working to lose weight not even in the house. But, if I had it in powder form, bar or whatever, some confectioners sugar, heavy cream, ... I can make truffles in five minutes without a receipe. No control. So not in house. The best chocolates I have ever had were from two small stores, one at the Hilltop Mall in Richmond CA in the 1970s and the other in either Ipswich or Woodbridge, Suffolk, in the UK. It was near my home which was by then on RAF Woodbridge. Both made their chocolates in the back rooms of the stores by hand. So good. I know there are more well known brands but those two stand out for me.
... and yet even with all the youngish white females, they've still managed to not make the youngish white texture I need for one of my characters. I 100% love the random freckles and imperfections from a realistic perspective, but I've got one who needs to be both very fair and not have any of that. I'm currently using a MB texture (Sarice, IIRC) which sort of works, but it occasionally glitches and removes itself,* and it doesn't look as real as the others, so it clashes a bit.
*No, I'm not going to bother submitting a ticket, as the one I submitted in Oct. of 2023 still hasn't been resolved, so I really don't feel like wasting my time.
Ooo now you have me remembering the Minneapolis chocolatier a close friend introduced me to, back in the early 2000's. Absolutely amazing... we got a variety pack and took it up to the hill in Prospect Park and ate them and talked for hours as we admired the lit-up skyline against the night. They've been gone for ages, alas. That place was a treasure.
(That friend knew ALL the best places to eat. It was her superpower.)
What do Daz assets have to with how actual people spend time?? This is sold to people who will be making pictures for other people to look at. I don't think there's a large market for looking at chocolates. OTOH, there's a market for looking at lingerie.
Here's some chocolate since I'm not sure lingerie is safe for the forums.
What do Daz assets have to do with how actual people spend time?
Everything, if you make pictures of how actual people spend time. Not everything is pinups, and not everyone wants to look at skimpwear, as I would think would be abundantly obvious by the numerous people on the forums who are saying they wished other things had been offered.
Daz assets are sold to people who make pictures. Period. Who looks at them after that is irrelevant.
Someone needs to tell the PAs that "not everything is pinups" then.
Can confirm: the tanned skin mats are missing.
Could be that it was cancelled at the last minute? The store page doesn't explicitely say it's included (aside from a brief mention in the description), only the file list does.
I would have gotten had it included more Valentine's Day props like roses, candies, and cupid style clothing & bows & hearts & heart arrows & such. And lingeries that were more feminine, pastel, and lacy and not so harsh, contrasty, and strappy which looks borderline S&M-ish.
How about strategic puffs of whipped cream and a geo-shell of drizzled chocolate syrup?
We have. I remember this discussion 8 years ago when I first started...
How about a Golden Retriever Puppy?
I'd say she's something between Italian and Slavic, which may be "just Caucasian" to those who like to throw all non-coloured people into one big box as if they're all the same. Well, she definitely doesn't look like a tanned ethnically British, Frankish, Scandinavian or Germanian in any way. And yes, I have traveled all over Europe, and there are definitely noticable variations in appearance between ethnicities there that make the word "Caucasian" as non-descriptive as "African" or "Asian" or "Human".
Sadly, the history of the products that have been made available in this store doesn't seem to bear that out. Like it or not, PAs who crank out the skimpware and lingeries seem to do pretty well on average, while those who release less "normal" casual and business wear seem to make less, and since most PAs do this as a business, what consistantly sells will likely take priority over all else..
Non-skimpwear is also much harder to make. Just finding decent pants/jeans/trousers can already be hard. It's not just a matter of making the shape in general, it's a matter of making it right, every fold and crease has to look right, not too pronounced, but they have to be there. Then the textures also have to look exactly right, right proportions and everything. Backpockets are also a problem, those things generally do not stretch, so if one ends up taller than the other, then it's an immediate no for me. Of all the jeans in this store, there are very few that actually look believable to me, I don't know why, but most give me some sense in the back of my head that says "This doesn't look right".
Yes, I'm being critical, but I'm also realistic. A skinsuit that covers maybe 15% of a figure simply is easier to make than a partially free flowing garment covering three times as much.
I understand the point about regional variation in Europe, of course there’s diversity. My comment wasn’t about denying that. It’s just that labels like “Italian” or “Slavic” are extremely broad and don’t correspond to one specific, clearly defined facial structure or skin type. Both include a huge range of phenotypes.
Looking at Leona herself from a technical perspective, the albedo still sits in the light range with peach undertones and limited melanin depth, and the facial structure follows the usual DAZ caucasian base. There isn’t a strong tonal or structural shift that clearly sets it apart.
So regardless of which regional label we use, it still reads as a lightly tanned white character rather than a genuinely different mid-tone construction.
Thank you. I was just doing a double check to make sure I haven't missed anything.
While it does look like a variation I could make myself, I'm pretty lazy! I'll put a ticket in since the dark version option features in the promo pics.
This was my (a bit sarcastic) point. Complaining "oh, there's so much skimpware. Why don't they make more useful items?" isn't really useful. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Obviously the folks complaining already follow that advice: they don't buy it. But other people do. A lot more people it seems. It's not the fault of the PAs. They have to go where the money is, not the other way around.
On the hand, venting serves a purpose, too, I suppose. Vent away.
I'd love that or an adult Golden Retriever, particularly a cream one like my 2 year old Goldie.
1. Obviously, an infinite number of character models can be generated and sold for every generation. From a practical perspective, character models are going to fall into a finite number of types, like "youngish white female" or "elderly East Asian male". Not every type has equal commercial appeal or viability. With a release schedule of one new "core" character every two weeks, the character types are exhausted within two years of the release of the base figure. Hence the similarity/redundancy/fungibility of the releases, and minimally observant shoppers asking, "Isn't this just a variant of something released two months ago?".
So, it isn't a matter of being able to point to relatively minor differences among the characters (minor differences in skin hue, skin blemishes, broader or narrower shoulders, larger or smaller boobs, etc.). It's a matter of whether the character type actually extends the sort of render a user can make.
2. Sales data? The sale/no sale binary is never all that useful (for any business). Too many reasons for a non-purchase. No appeal at all? Too expensive? Redundant? The coupon adds another element of ambiguity. A lot of my Genesis 9 content consists of limited-motivation coupon redemption ("End of the month and I might as well use it"), freebies, and minimal-cost purchases to qualify for a discount.
I'm not super excited for this one. I feel like I've picked up more than enough lingerie already and desperately want something else for my characters to wear.
Valentines day themed bundle though, so I can hardly ask for sci-fi soldier armour in this one. Shrug.
Sexy lady in her underwear would be a great theme for valentines day if it didn't seem like we already get that in copious quantities every month.
I'd really love to see more art style variety - like Maryam was a fantastic little experiment but never got a male counterpart, or any other races using the same texture style.
Then there was Filatoon which came out with a bang then just sort of...disappeared?
The base texture that Daz uses for many of its Core Figures has dark marks under the eyes, especially the right one, as shown here.
I think you missed my original point, which was the horrible marketing. Do I love how much skimpwear is here? No. But that's beside the point. They're marketing this as Valentine's Day, and if you look at how the holiday itself is generally advertised, and how most people celebrate it, there's a disconnect. If they're going to do Yet Another Fetish Sale, they're gonna do it, but at least be forthright and accurate with what it is. If they're going to have a Valentine's Sale, include things most people associate with the day. And even if someone's going to go with "oh, but it's Valentine's lingerie!"... there's nothing about it that's really any different than what comes out any other day of the year.
I have the same issue with poses and expressions marketed as feminine/masculine, or environments marketed as medieval when there are freaking electric lights in them. Make whatever you're gonna make, sell what you're gonna sell, but call it what it is.