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He's prob referring to the number of items. A pro bundle used to be 10 or more (like https://www.daz3d.com/darcy-8-pro-bundle) and mega bundles 2 or 3 times that (like https://www.daz3d.com/tara-8-world-adventurer-mega-bundle)
(If we're fair) We did often pay more than the ~$45 - $70 that seems to be wanted for the 4-6 item bundles... like: https://www.daz3d.com/toshi-9-hd-character-bundle) and there were "start bundles| that came with less and cost ~$45 - $70 (like https://www.daz3d.com/the-girl-6-starter-bundle)
I saw someone on here, the other day, wonder if this "new thing" was to do with recouping costs of the "free" premier bundles (I thought... good point)
The truth is that it means whatever DAZ marketing feels like it means (or in the case of PA produced bundles, what the PA's want), and there's no specific definition other than that there must be multiple items being sold for the same price. That said, there's been a long history of the bundles having more elements and a higher base price tag over the years, and the only thing that's consistant is that bundles usually consist of several items are available in the store seperately at a higher price, one of which is the actual base morphs and textures for the specific figure. Beyond that, there may sometimes be the inclusion of items that are exclusive to the purchasers of bundle... the DAZ Horse 2, for example, contained many of the various breed morph and textures that were only available as part of the bundle. Now, where things get contentious is that in the past, since the introduction of the Geneis line of figures, we had Starter Bundles and Pro Bundles, but the number of items both of those has been whittled down over the years to the point where a starter bundle would ocntain 5 or 6 items. But that was the past, and for the last year or so DAZ has dropped the starter and pro bundles in favor of a single bundle that started at 6 items and was reduced over several months to just four. Meanwhile, the "official" price of the bundle has actually risen to a little higher than the ones for the older Starter Bundles as the undiscounted cost of the bundle has crept to the point where there is very little discount over the price of the individual items, while items that were once considered a normal part of the original main product, such as the HD morphjs for characters that are marketed as being HD characters, have been split off into seperate add-on bundles, while the contents of the main bundles have been heavier in "filler" like poses and expression sets. The end result, of course, is that the effective price of the bundles has gone up considerably on a per-item basis unless you are a member of Premier, where you get one "free" bundle a month, have a large number of teokens to us, or if DAZ happens to running some other similar free/discountining promotion that happens to include that item.
I have only purchased pro bundles at steeply discounted prices. In the past a pro bundle was the only way to obtain anatomical elements. What I found with most of these massive bundles is usually half or more of what was included was of no use or interest to me. It's all a matter of perspective, I guess.
The inflation in bundle price and reduction in number of items are the main points to note. I would add, base figures are themselves quite sparse to the point that even alternate character skins and make ups are sold as separate products when they used to be included with the base figure. I increasingly prefer to buy a character that includes these extras from a PA than to buy a DO figure that breaks all that into 3 or 4 products.
I preferred the Pro Bundles to be honest. For example when Victoria 9 was released, I purchased the Victoria 9 Mega Bundle which had the character w/HD, two hairs and their texture packs, two environments, four outfits, and two pose sets and an expression pack. All very useful for a first release character of a new generation. Better yet, all were of incredible usefulness and quality. While that package was marked at $132.29, I paid $76.09 for it. It has now been broken down into smaller bundles.
But with Genesis 9 it seems that a lot of the repetitive add-ons to a DO character were put into https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-9-starter-essentials, https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-9-starter-essentials-expansion, and recently https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-9-toon-starter-essentials-expansion. That seems to avoid a lot of padding.
But, when I do work with a DO character, I don't go to the essentials, I have to search in Smart Content for makeup or cosmetics or eyes or brows...
I do know that I am more often buying the character, HD, maybe a hair and wishlisting clothing/textures. I do not like bundles being filled with environments that have little to do with the character, or I will have no use for. Poses/expressions, well I have a lot of them. So many of them are a hard pass. I am also wishlisting and am prepared to wait for better prices.
I also don't want to bog down G9 like I did with G8/8.1 with characters, morphs, poses, expressions. One thing about G9 versus previous generations, we are not getting extra characters often padded into the bundles.
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I have to say that I agree. The other issue is the sheer volume of Core figures being released. With each generation of Genesis the number of core figures continues to grow, and whereas there were 9 base figures for Genesis, Genesis 2 had 26, Genesis 3 had 42.. and we're now at over 80 Genesis 9 core figures with 2-3 new ones being dropped every month, so it's almost certainly going to go over 100 before they move on to the next gen. Which wouldn't be so bad if each one significantly different from the rest, but since it seems like every other one is another young caucasian female, they've pretty much killed the idea of core figures being anything special anymore.
@Cybersox : Thanks and good points!
When I buy a character, be it a base character or a PA one, the only things that interests me are the skin, and the morph. Any additional things like additional eye mats, make ups, etc are very low down on the priority list. This is particularly true for Genesis 9 since most make ups, tattoos and other material adjustments, tend to be done using overlays, LIE, or geoshells. All these can be used by any other Genesis 9 figure. This means I have a bewildering number of different eye colors and make ups for any character, so if a new one is missing these I really don't care, so long as the skin is good quality with a lot of detail.
The thing that I find hilarious about your post is you seem to have fixed all of the typos except the "typeo" ;). I would also point out that there is nothing on the face of the planet, and likely under it, nothing in human or non-human social structures that hasn't been or isn't capable of being fetishized. It's kind of built into the human psyche. That doesn't condone unleasing an individuals personal fetish on an unwilling target, it merely acknowledges objective reality.
Fetishes and all that are legit and probably not the problem here. What I see as a problem is the flooding of the market place with all those topics again and again.
Really, how many more sexy nurse, schoolgirl, liberian and anime cloth sets do we need?
It's not a question of how many we need, it's a question of how many DAZ can sell and how many the PAs want to create. If one thing is absolutely certain, it's that the answer to one of those two questions is clearly "more than enough."
It is Halloween month, I'd like for the next DO Premeir bundle to be a Toon, or maybe an Anime, "Universal Monsters" bundle: i.e. Frankenstein, Dracula, Mummy, Wolfman, Invisible Man, and Witch, although I don't remember a Witch being a part of the traditional Universal Monsters a witch is traditional Halloween monster. If not that, than realistic monsters.
^Invisible man render below:
Very realistic render. He is truly invisible.
Ha, yes, he's sort of redundant, because when he's in disguise he looks like the Mummy in a 40s era business suit & fedora.
I still don't have Alice available. When is she being released?
Last week. You are looking in the Install pane (or Available or All Install State Filters in the products tab of Smart Content)? If you sort by orer date she will be at the bottom as she isn't an order but a "manual" addition.
I checked all those areas, updated my metadata several times and still nothing. I haven't had this issue with any of the other Premier figures either.
You may need to open a ticket then
Thank you Richard, I submitted a ticket to assist.
Alice did eventually turn up!
(Next to Beverly)
Totally agree!
Must be nice... Alice is still hiding from me.
I opened a ticket on the 7th.
Got a reponse on the 10th that was just a link to the blog post witht the troubleshooting steps (refresh metadata, restart daz 2025, make sure you are logged in)
Responded on the 11th stating that I trierd all ther troubleshooting steps and still no Alice.
Have heard nothing since on my ticket.
@Richard Haseltine, is there any chance you can look into ticket #480379 ?
No, tickets are a completely different system from the forums - I have acces to a little corner, but not the sales or tech support tickets.
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This answer is sort of why I asked. This is how I decide to buy a new character: the skin and the morph. I have a zillion eyes, eyebrows, and LIE makeups.
About the only thing I would like to see in a Base character is if this is THE Victoria, the bundle should include the canon hair asset, too. They're always write "Susan is young business woman" Well, if she's a character with a backstory, shouldn't she have "her hair"?