Audrey 9 - the obligatory discussion thread
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Yes, there's not a whole lot to say about this one, and I don't expect there to be too much input given that it's yet another young caucasian girl of indeterminant age.... the word Teen is used a few times but she looks more like late teens to early twenties in a number of the promo shots..By comparison, the slim version add-on looks a good bit younger and the Alice character looks a .ot older. All said, she's pleasant enough looking but certainly nothing new or unique, and her base character bundle is ridiculously basic. That said, I do like the versatility of the librariancore outfit in the add-on bundle, but the "teen Girl Bedroom" seems excessively juvenile for the apparent age of the character... not that we needed yet another college dorm set either. Would really have appreciated some lifestyle stuff or outfits instead of yed another bedroom.... please DAZ, why not uniforms for working in fast food or other typical teen jobs?
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Well, this is the obligatory response to obligatory thread. (And a link to Audrey and the bundle for people who access threads via DazDeals links or vice versa, for those who access shop via forum)
She's not bad. But she's just so... nothing interesting, and so is the bundle (well, I shouldn't say so—chevybabe25's hair looks excellent). I'm also not a fan of characters where some promos make it look like the answer "is she of legal age" isn't immediately clear.
Well, the general rule that I always go by is that if the official DAZ promos show her nude, that her official name doesn't have the word teen in it, and that she comes with a texture for the anatomy add-on, it's pretty soliId evidience that DAZ is well satisfied that she meets the definition of legal age as far as being able to be shown nude legally (which is 18 in the US, UK, and Canada.). Of course, it's not as though one can't take any DAZ figure and dial it to appear younger or older with an add-on like growing up, and the definition of legal age can vary from place to place... though, oddly, the higher age limits tend to focus primarily on whether alcohol is being served in the place of employment.
She looks like an okay character, and I'll probably get her at some point, but I'm not really interested in the bundles' theme.
Chevybabe25's hair was an instant purchase though.
It wasn't a question of whether she's actually of legal age and any implications thereof. I was simply pointing out that I'm not interested in characters who, whether they are of age or not, do not clearly look it.
I will not get her at any point for reasons discussed above and in other places. I still buy figures I find appealing (or at least interesting). This one does not call to me.
I wasn't impressed either. Although Audrey 9 does look more like a realistic mid-older teen (in the face at least) than some other characters marketed as teens. Teen Jane 8 for example. When she debuted, there were some comments about her looking closer to 30, and Jane 8 does IMO.
Too bad. I was looking forward to another cool, unique character.
Love both hairs, some of the clothes look quite nice but not very useful for me. The character feels just generic. And the sexy/clumsy librarian theme is really getting on my nerves.
Maybe they were going for a bit of a Jennifer Lawrence feel? The two hairs were great.
There are much better skins in the core figures and I'd like a more detailed sculpt.
I'll post a few more renders when the additional character appears. (Big version attached)
Really nice render. Curious on the displacement mark for the lip piercing. Did that come with the jewellery, and if so, which product?
It did! How well it lines up seems to depend a bit on the plumpness of the facial feature - https://www.daz3d.com/m3d-facial-piercings-for-genesis-9 ;
Ther room, which she is shown posed in in the character promo shots, is the main thing. As for other G9s, good point...DAZ itself seems to have exchanged the word teen for Young Adult with this generation, but I remember that the Julia 9 HD Add On Bundle was specifically set up to convert that figure to a teen with both (direct quotes from text) a "teenage shaping set" by P3D and a special "teenage skin" from DAZ itself, while a a number of others have had "young adult" shape morphs from DAZ... off the top of my head, that includes Mira 9, Karmen 9, Amelia 9... and on the male side there's one for Dain.
+1000
Fetishizing professions has real world consequences for real people working those professions. Too many creeps think X-rated content is based on reality and they're just one "clever" comment (or anatomy-grab) away from unlocking Porn Mode. And to make it worse, they don't take it well when the target doesn't play into their script.
I realize that is going to stop absolutely no one from doing it anyway, but my flag is planted and I will die on that hill if necessary.
(edit: fixed typeos)
I was going to pass on this character, but after seeing that render I'll add her to the roster. She's a candidate for my character coupon.
She looks fairly well done to me. I won't buy her now but probably will in the near future. And I like her bundles too. Completely underwhelming in quantity, granted, but each product looks to be of a good quality.
Samesy. I can get that, although when I first saw her my first thought was "we've not had a character like that before", based purely on her bone/face shape. Age, ethnicity, bundle content, I can understand that, althoughAubrey looks Eastern European/Slavic to me, which does feel like a diversification from my perspective, but I get it, she's still another flavour of white.
My desire for diversity, in case anyone is listening, is for more men, preferably never been inside a gym. And for South Americans of non-European descent and Central Africans. I don't really care about whether someone is 20 or 30, which is much the same. People in their 40's and 50's please.
Where's the sexy librarian trope? I see a promo on her character page with a pen that's suggestive. Personally don't see the need for legs at the bar. Not seeing/feeling a sexualisation theme, though. Have I missed something obvious?
Honest questions. Why do you buy these individual characters ? Is it for the skin textures or the character itself ? Can't you achieve the same with dials and morphs ? Hair I get, but the characters not. They all look the same, just with different skin tones and textures.
Adult content does not cause well-adjusted people to commit assault or harassment. Someone who views an adult video as an accurate depiction of reality - rather than an obvious fantasy - is not mentally healthy to start.
I like Audrey although I would have preferred a G8F version, or G9 and G8 versions ( some vendors do that, why not all? ). I get really tired of seeing the 'supermodel' clones, and fantasy creatures that I'll never use. It's nice to have a character that looks more like a typical person.
Beside the fact that producing items for 2 bases figures takes a lot more work but doesn't necessarily generate enough extra sales to make it worth it, the chances of Daz introducing a new G8 core figure are very, very low...
We should probably not get into this too deeply lest the mods shut it down, and reasonably so - but maybe it's okay if I add just a few more thoughts that are hopefully not controversial per se, just to explain things a bit more:
You're absolutely right, people who are willing to mistreat other people have always existed and are not suddenly created out of nowhere by watching certain movies or whatever as adults. Children and teenagers, however, are still creating themselves, and every input matters in that process. So the more disrespectful content is out there, the easier it is to come into contact with that for them, and the more it will feel normal to them. We already had a wave of teenagers choking each other, sometimes with fatal outcomes, during their s*xy times because that's what's all the rage on social media - just to pick one example out of very many. And it's all well and good to state that this stuff isn't meant for them (I know this wasn't stated here, but it's a common reply in this discussion), but there are just no proper protection barriers in place, as far as I can see. So we just need to keep this in mind when putting stuff out there. If there's hundred pics of, say, sexy librarian fantasies and not much else, than this will have an impact. If the only time we see supposedly 'strong' women in, dunno, barbarian poses with a sword is when they're also wearing skimp armor, this will have an impact. You know?
Secondly, even creeps usually have a certain threshold and fear of repercussion. I believe there's much evidence to show by now that the more normalized the stuff we're talking about here becomes, the lower that threshold will become - because it will feel more normal and tolerated to them. On Tiktok, there's a nauseating plethora of videos of guys trying to act like 'alphas' and being disrespectful to women, in public, because they feel they can. And usually nobody is stopping them, so they're quite right, unfortunately.
Thirdly, afaik, you do create the fantasies you have actively in some part at least, and the more you feed yourself certain tropes and images to fantasize over, the more they will interest you, and the further you will go. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but something to be aware of I feel. We're seeing rather unpretty things happening with the dark romance genre atm, the books get 'spicier' = more violently s*xual by the day, because the readers keep feeding themselves the same r*apey tropes over and over again without taking a moment to self-reflect. Which is fine until you have stories where actual crimes against humanity are being committed being praised on Tiktok.
Again, I'm not saying these things should be banned or whatever, absolutely not - but we need to give things a bit more thought these days when everything is instantly available to basically everyone, and there is really no accountability at all.
I buy them mostly for the skin these days, and Daz Original skins tend to be very good quality. I'm not a texture artist, so that feels like a good reason.
I do make custom characters for the protagonists of my renders/stories. Morph dialing, mesh adjustments. But I also need a lot of background characters and I don't want to spend any time on those. Mixing together 2 or three characters and throwing a skin on is as much as I want to do.
There's a lot of hair that looks incredibly similar but for a gust of wind - particularly in wider shots. A lot of the products in the store are interchangeable.
You're so right. Young people don't see through the “pretend” nature of films, images, etc. in the same way that adults do – and even adults don't always manage it. As we know, the big social media platforms don't really feel responsible for protecting young people.
"...embracing dark academia fashion..." <-- Any gal known for this type of behaviour is just a couple of martinis from full-on nymphomania!
I agree with all of your second paragraph.
Your first paragraph is putting words in my mouth and then calling me misguided for the words you put there.
I never said it was an explanation for the existance of terrible people. The problem is the number of non-well-adjusted/terrible people (as I mentioned, creeps) who are encouraged by it. And since that's a thing I've had to deal with *as have countless others*... yeah, I think there needs to be more mindfulness about the subject.
How people are depicted matters. Normalization matters. Representation matters.
ETA: To be clear, I don't think anyone putting out content at Daz is doing it with ill intent. I think they're going with what makes them money, and/or what they enjoy crafting. Same with the majority of artists (maybe/probably?) making the renders. But lack of intent =/= lack of consequences, is my point.
My non-binary kid occasionally dresses like that. They're fourteen.
So do I (when I bother with fashion). I'm ace.
Exhibit A: representation influencing people's expectations.
ETA: Unless you meant that sarcastically? Sometimes it's hard to tell tone over text....
I recall them introducing one new G8 core character since the release of G9, but it was under pretty extraordinary circumstances. I don't remember any of the details, though.
Probably something between that weird early release of the half-finished Victoria 9 and when the full version was released. AFAICR, the last G8 (G8.1 actually) core figure was Crow, who came out about a week before the full VIctoria bundle dropped.
Literally 95% of the human characters, clothing, and other content at DAZ 3D is "sexy" content, it'd be an insult then not to treat librarians equally.
Just raising my hand to say I'm one of the "countless others," and that based on my experience, nomalization absolutely plays a part in creep behavior.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me where the 'sexy' or 'clumsy' librarian was in this new bundle.